BreeddekalbL Posted March 12, 2014 Share #3101 Posted March 12, 2014 this just came into my head, would it be possible to kick the b25 out of dumbo and replace it with the b69? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted March 13, 2014 Share #3102 Posted March 13, 2014 this just came into my head, would it be possible to kick the b25 out of dumbo and replace it with the b69? hmm... why not just send the B37 down there... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 14, 2014 Share #3103 Posted March 14, 2014 hmm... why not just send the B37 down there... Err why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted March 14, 2014 Share #3104 Posted March 14, 2014 Hell it'd be better than turning it at Atlantic... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 14, 2014 Share #3105 Posted March 14, 2014 Hell it'd be better than turning it at Atlantic... And who would use it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 15, 2014 Share #3106 Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Anyways, dealing with the BM express, I'll just focus in on the BM5/QM15. The BM5 needs a total revampment of it's schedule on Saturday.... The BM5 needs a stronger riderbase, period.... You can tinker with the schedules to your heart's content & that route would still have the same basic problem - Overall Ridership. this just came into my head, would it be possible to kick the b25 out of dumbo and replace it with the b69? Well yeah it's possible, but is it likely? Probably not, seeming how the B25 through DUMBO is more or less the reason the MTA didn't go through with cutting it when they proposed doing so back on 2010..... hmm... why not just send the B37 down there... mileage... waste of it.... It's why the TA's opting to stop buses dead around Barclays, instead of completely restoring the route (as you know, that served Livingston st., etc)..... Err why? Agreed. Edited March 15, 2014 by B35 via Church 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted March 15, 2014 Share #3107 Posted March 15, 2014 Well yeah it's possible, but is it likely? Probably not, seeming how the B25 through DUMBO is more or less the reason the MTA didn't go through with cutting it when they proposed doing so back on 2010..... what kind of cut do you mean? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 15, 2014 Share #3108 Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) The BM5 needs a stronger riderbase, period.... You can tinker with the schedules to your heart's content & that route would still have the same basic problem - Overall Ridership. I do agree that Spring Creek is not a strong riderbase, as it only serves one community (and the bus stops outside Spring Creek are far apart from each other before heading to Manhattan), and the complete randomness of stops between 79 street and Metropolitan Avenue, and the little ridership in that section don't really help it gain any real ridership at all. That's why I planned to have a stop at 88 street in Lindenwood to serve that area which is only served by school trippers. Worse case scenario this (https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204750700533050976010.0004f49d01a5ca0029045&msa=0&ll=40.695916,-73.849089&spn=0.012055,0.026157 1 hour 15 min from end to end) would happen starting with all Saturday Runs, then expand to Midday Runs to still maintain service, but I would still prefer to improve the current stop selection and areas it serves. I mean, it would be 5 minutes more at most for those riders west of Lindenwood, retaining the current QM15 runtime north of Lindenwood (could be a split route with Spring Creek, but I don't know if they're in similar unions or not). Edited March 15, 2014 by Q23 Central Terminal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 15, 2014 Share #3109 Posted March 15, 2014 I do agree that Spring Creek is not a strong riderbase, as it only serves one community (and the bus stops outside Spring Creek are far apart from each other before heading to Manhattan), and the complete randomness of stops between 79 street and Metropolitan Avenue, and the little ridership in that section don't really help it gain any real ridership at all. That's why I planned to have a stop at 88 street in Lindenwood to serve that area which is only served by school trippers. Worse case scenario this (https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204750700533050976010.0004f49d01a5ca0029045&msa=0&ll=40.695916,-73.849089&spn=0.012055,0.026157 1 hour 15 min from end to end) would happen starting with all Saturday Runs, then expand to Midday Runs to still maintain service, but I would still prefer to improve the current stop selection and areas it serves. I mean, it would be 5 minutes more at most for those riders west of Lindenwood, retaining the current QM15 runtime north of Lindenwood (could be a split route with Spring Creek, but I don't know if they're in similar unions or not). Dude limited thinking produces limited results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 16, 2014 Share #3110 Posted March 16, 2014 what kind of cut do you mean? Complete route discontinuation.... Due to the fact that the B25 parallels the fulton line. Glad they never went through with the cut. I do agree that Spring Creek is not a strong riderbase, as it only serves one community (and the bus stops outside Spring Creek are far apart from each other before heading to Manhattan), and the complete randomness of stops between 79 street and Metropolitan Avenue, and the little ridership in that section don't really help it gain any real ridership at all. That's why I planned to have a stop at 88 street in Lindenwood to serve that area which is only served by school trippers. Worse case scenario this (https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204750700533050976010.0004f49d01a5ca0029045&msa=0&ll=40.695916,-73.849089&spn=0.012055,0.026157 1 hour 15 min from end to end) would happen starting with all Saturday Runs, then expand to Midday Runs to still maintain service, but I would still prefer to improve the current stop selection and areas it serves. I mean, it would be 5 minutes more at most for those riders west of Lindenwood, retaining the current QM15 runtime north of Lindenwood (could be a split route with Spring Creek, but I don't know if they're in similar unions or not). Schedule changes won't do it, and it's really not a QM15 issue as to why the BM5 doesn't garner riders.... If you want to bring riders to the BM5, you're gonna have to take riders away from the BM2.... See, bringing riders to the BM2 is what made the BM5/BQM1 weaker in the first place... No one ever really looks at it like that; they just think the BM2 had an influx of riders due to the growth of Canarsie - Which is Bullshit.... I remember the posts across these boards saying that the changes to the old BQM1 were unnecessary, and all they had to do was simply rename the BQM1 to the BM5..... I think the MTA realizes the mistake they made w/ the BQM1/BM5, and are trying bring ridership to the route by infiltrating QM15 riders/ridership - While keeping the ridership of the BM2 intact.... I actually have an idea to bringing ridership back to the BM5, and it would happen instantly too.... Few things would have to happen though: - BM2 trips to Starrett, those would be gone.... ALL BM2 trips would terminate by the Breukelen houses.... - BM2 super express trips, would become BM5 super express trips (for that that live in Canarsie & points east)... This would make it a little easier for the Canarsie/Spring creek region of Brooklyn to get to midtown (as opposed to the current BM2 super express via the junction, prospect/gowanus, & FDR dr).... In turn, this would mean (for BM2 riders west of Canarsie) that there would be more of the "combined" runs during the rush hour (meaning, the BM2 in its totality would consist of trips [just serving lower manhattan], and the trips that would [serve lower manhattan & midtown manhattan]) - BM1, BM3, or the BM4 would see an increase of super express trips by at least 1 bus.... - BM5 would gain a few super express trips... I may draw a map later if I feel up to it... But the general idea is to have BM5's serve Canarsie, Starrett City, 380 cozine apartments (cozine/ashford), Boulevard houses, etc..... with the super express BM5's only serving Canarsie pax & ENY pax (along linden, east of Fountain). Dude limited thinking produces limited results. ...basically describes the current BM5. Once upon a time, the BQM1 served canarsie.... Now the BM5 does not... On top of that, you still have the BM2 trips that still serve Starrett (where a good chunk of the Brooklyn BM5 riders come from).... It is telling when you have the MTA adding stops along Woodhaven on the BM5 for increased ridership - of course, this cuts into QM15 overall ridership, being that it runs along Woodhaven as well.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 16, 2014 Share #3111 Posted March 16, 2014 Complete route discontinuation.... Due to the fact that the B25 parallels the fulton line. Glad they never went through with the cut. Schedule changes won't do it, and it's really not a QM15 issue as to why the BM5 doesn't garner riders.... If you want to bring riders to the BM5, you're gonna have to take riders away from the BM2.... See, bringing riders to the BM2 is what made the BM5/BQM1 weaker in the first place... No one ever really looks at it like that; they just think the BM2 had an influx of riders due to the growth of Canarsie - Which is Bullshit.... I remember the posts across these boards saying that the changes to the old BQM1 were unnecessary, and all they had to do was simply rename the BQM1 to the BM5..... I think the MTA realizes the mistake they made w/ the BQM1/BM5, and are trying bring ridership to the route by infiltrating QM15 riders/ridership - While keeping the ridership of the BM2 intact.... I actually have an idea to bringing ridership back to the BM5, and it would happen instantly too.... Few things would have to happen though: - BM2 trips to Starrett, those would be gone.... ALL BM2 trips would terminate by the Breukelen houses.... - BM2 super express trips, would become BM5 super express trips (for that that live in Canarsie & points east)... This would make it a little easier for the Canarsie/Spring creek region of Brooklyn to get to midtown (as opposed to the current BM2 super express via the junction, prospect/gowanus, & FDR dr).... In turn, this would mean (for BM2 riders west of Canarsie) that there would be more of the "combined" runs during the rush hour (meaning, the BM2 in its totality would consist of trips [just serving lower manhattan], and the trips that would [serve lower manhattan & midtown manhattan]) - BM1, BM3, or the BM4 would see an increase of super express trips by at least 1 bus.... - BM5 would gain a few super express trips... I may draw a map later if I feel up to it... But the general idea is to have BM5's serve Canarsie, Starrett City, 380 cozine apartments (cozine/ashford), Boulevard houses, etc..... with the super express BM5's only serving Canarsie pax & ENY pax (along linden, east of Fountain). ...basically describes the current BM5. Once upon a time, the BQM1 served canarsie.... Now the BM5 does not... On top of that, you still have the BM2 trips that still serve Starrett (where a good chunk of the Brooklyn BM5 riders come from).... It is telling when you have the MTA adding stops along Woodhaven on the BM5 for increased ridership - of course, this cuts into QM15 overall ridership, being that it runs along Woodhaven as well.... That's quite creative sir. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSubwayBuff Posted March 17, 2014 Share #3112 Posted March 17, 2014 I agree that super express trips are needed if MTA Bus wants to gain riders. The bus is kind of slow getting to midtown abd the super express would convience those riders who work in midtown to get back on the bys Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3113 Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) Rainy Saturday = bored and staying in. It also means looking at some stuff Brooklyn Bus proposed, some stuff I thought of, and some stuff others proposed and putting it on a map. Credit to all who mentioned any of the stuff on here, as I'm sure we've all thought of similar stuff at one point. B2: An extension to cover the B82 west of Coney Island Ave, and a different B2 east of Flatbush. Also keeping the B100 under this plan. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc042fe840a7548&msa=0 B82: Now, that B2 thing only works if we agree to trunctuate the B82 at Coney Island Ave. However, the B82 using Ave K as transition between Kings and Flatlands is a thing I'd do anyways to both cut run time and a limited stop. Really no point in the current set-up at Flatbush they have with this route. So here's the shortened B82, with the main part being that Ave K thing that needs to happen even on a full-length B82. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc107749ff8dff6&msa=0 B4: Going strictly with what BB suggested on this one, because that southern portion of the route is a mess and a half, and also because I have another thing to go to Knapp and farther east. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc07102d5de99a4&msa=0 B101: Now if we do that B4 thing, we can then do this thing. Not the brightest idea, but this is an internet forum, not an MTA board meeting. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc1308e05124fbf&msa=0 B102: Done with input from some forum members here. Just trying to see if there's an area there that can be served. Maybe it works, maybe not. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc141ee8b57bbf0&msa=0 B31: BB's plan, but I'm extending it to 4 Ave to connect with the train. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0be030547c230&msa=0 Now, these next two come from the eventuality of the B44 local assuming the same route as the B44 SBS. B40: To fill in service on New York Ave. I think it could work. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0d23d1cf387cb&msa=0 B49: Shift over the northbound Rogers portion to Bedford to make room for both 44s. Shouldn't be too much of a problem. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0f60ec9b64b64&msa=0 B5: An extended B23, really, more like a subway feeder route. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0950192cd83c7&msa=0 X26: Some shit I thought up a while back. Some suggested the western portion of Brooklyn drop-off/pick-up might take X28 riders. I don't see it. Too long a distance between the two. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc197f726b8f0d2&msa=0 X29: Brought back with a hitch at the very southern tip for seemingly no good reason other than maybe just covering slightly more ground around those towers and condos. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc1a9c5e8e109f6&msa=0 Feedback welcome. Edited March 30, 2014 by Culver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3114 Posted March 30, 2014 I do agree that Spring Creek is not a strong riderbase, as it only serves one community (and the bus stops outside Spring Creek are far apart from each other before heading to Manhattan), and the complete randomness of stops between 79 street and Metropolitan Avenue, and the little ridership in that section don't really help it gain any real ridership at all. That's why I planned to have a stop at 88 street in Lindenwood to serve that area which is only served by school trippers. Worse case scenario this (https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204750700533050976010.0004f49d01a5ca0029045&msa=0&ll=40.695916,-73.849089&spn=0.012055,0.026157 1 hour 15 min from end to end) would happen starting with all Saturday Runs, then expand to Midday Runs to still maintain service, but I would still prefer to improve the current stop selection and areas it serves. I mean, it would be 5 minutes more at most for those riders west of Lindenwood, retaining the current QM15 runtime north of Lindenwood (could be a split route with Spring Creek, but I don't know if they're in similar unions or not). Both are ATU, but with different locals (JFK and Far Rockaway are ATU 1179 and Spring Creek is ATU 1181/1061). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3115 Posted March 30, 2014 Rainy Saturday = bored and staying in. It also means looking at some stuff Brooklyn Bus proposed, some stuff I thought of, and some stuff others proposed and putting it on a map. Credit to all who mentioned any of the stuff on here, as I'm sure we've all thought of similar stuff at one point. B2: An extension to cover the B82 west of Coney Island Ave, and a different B2 east of Flatbush. Also keeping the B100 under this plan. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc042fe840a7548&msa=0 B82: Now, that B2 thing only works if we agree to trunctuate the B82 at Coney Island Ave. However, the B82 using Ave K as transition between Kings and Flatlands is a thing I'd do anyways to both cut run time and a limited stop. Really no point in the current set-up at Flatbush they have with this route. So here's the shortened B82, with the main part being that Ave K thing that needs to happen even on a full-length B82. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc107749ff8dff6&msa=0 B4: Going strictly with what BB suggested on this one, because that southern portion of the route is a mess and a half, and also because I have another thing to go to Knapp and farther east. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc07102d5de99a4&msa=0 B101: Now if we do that B4 thing, we can then do this thing. Not the brightest idea, but this is an internet forum, not an MTA board meeting. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc1308e05124fbf&msa=0 B102: Done with input from some forum members here. Just trying to see if there's an area there that can be served. Maybe it works, maybe not. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc141ee8b57bbf0&msa=0 B31: BB's plan, but I'm extending it to 4 Ave to connect with the train. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0be030547c230&msa=0 Now, these next two come from the eventuality of the B44 local assuming the same route as the B44 SBS. B40: To fill in service on New York Ave. I think it could work. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0d23d1cf387cb&msa=0 B49: Shift over the northbound Rogers portion to Bedford to make room for both 44s. Shouldn't be too much of a problem. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0f60ec9b64b64&msa=0 B5: An extended B23, really, more like a subway feeder route. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0950192cd83c7&msa=0 X26: Some shit I thought up a while back. Some suggested the western portion of Brooklyn drop-off/pick-up might take X28 riders. I don't see it. Too long a distance between the two. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc197f726b8f0d2&msa=0 X29: Brought back with a hitch at the very southern tip for seemingly no good reason other than maybe just covering slightly more ground around those towers and condos. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0what I004f5cc1a9c5e8e109f6&msa=0 Feedback welcome. * Your B82 is exactly what I would have my "B50" do... (old link for reference) * The "B101".... Despite the fact that I'm against any bus service along Knapp, care to explain this one fam? Because I'm thinking about a bus taking on such a routing, and I depict buses would be empty as hell past (meaning, east of) sheepshead.... You may get some Sheepshead HS kids willing to walk to it to get to KP, but IMO, that's really about it.... I mean, connecting Mill Basin patrons to the Brighton @ Kings Hwy is more efficient than connecting them to it at Sheepshead..... As for the (real) B4, I would truncate (some) trips on the western end before I'd ever truncate (all) trips on the Sheepshead end.... Mill Basin commuters should not be used as sacrificial lambs, because the Sheepshead end of the B4 is perplexing/winding..... Lol..... * The B102... I think Threxx had an idea similar to this.... But yeah, being general, this would be an efficient way for central brooklynites to get to Gateway.... Only problem I see atm is, having too many buses over there @ Prospect Park subway... Anything helping out the slow crawling B17 on Remsen I think would be of help... * The "x26", I kinda-sorta saw VG8's point with it competing w/ the x28 (I remember that discussion), but then again, I'm not against giving Bay Ridge Pkwy express bus service either... The problem (as you can see) is where would such a route terminate on the outerborough (Brooklyn) end.... * Not gonna comment/critique on the whole B2/B31/B100/giving av P service plan, as we all have different plans on how to go about doing that.... Since I lost the Brooklyn map I had all drawn out using PSP (paint shop pro) due to my HD konking out my desktop pc, I'm gonna start mapping out my Brooklyn ideas on multiple google maps (thanks for making this post btw... gave me the kickstart to want to start doing it).... I remember all the changes I would make (for the routes I would alter), so at least that's one less thing to worry about..... I was all ready to start mapping out Queens (which was the next borough I was gonna tackle) on those blank maps that Gorgor made too... Not gonna re-map Brooklyn on that Brooklyn blank map, as I spent countless hours over multiple days doing that shit... Lol...... (besides, I lost the link to Gorgor's site anyway; had it bookmarked on the old comp.) You can comment on the commentary of your ideas here if you want...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3116 Posted March 30, 2014 Rainy Saturday = bored and staying in. It also means looking at some stuff Brooklyn Bus proposed, some stuff I thought of, and some stuff others proposed and putting it on a map. Credit to all who mentioned any of the stuff on here, as I'm sure we've all thought of similar stuff at one point. B31: BB's plan, but I'm extending it to 4 Ave to connect with the train. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0be030547c230&msa=0 B5: An extended B23, really, more like a subway feeder route. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0950192cd83c7&msa=0 X26: Some shit I thought up a while back. Some suggested the western portion of Brooklyn drop-off/pick-up might take X28 riders. I don't see it. Too long a distance between the two. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc197f726b8f0d2&msa=0 Feedback welcome. I suggest looking at the routes on the western end of the 31 in streetview because that routing is physically impossible... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSubwayBuff Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3117 Posted March 30, 2014 I would agree with the X26 proposal but I don't know whether people would use it. On paper it seems like people can walk to the train or the x28, but idk because I don't know the area well. I also wouldn't want the x29 to use Neptune ( too much traffic) to coney island ave. I would rather it go left on ocean pkwy, stop at coney island hospital, right on ave z stop at Hubbard st, left at coney island ave, rest of route Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3118 Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) I suggest looking at the routes on the western end of the 31 in streetview because that routing is physically impossible... Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he didn't draw the EB routing b/w Ovechkin Ovington/7th (eastern side, NB travel) and 8th/(wherever he'd have buses turning from, onto 8th).... (Don't ask why I always make that mistake with Ovington, calling it Ovechkin... Lol....) ....I also wouldn't want the x29 to use Neptune ( too much traffic) to coney island ave. I would rather it go left on ocean pkwy, stop at coney island hospital, right on ave z stop at Hubbard st, left at coney island ave, rest of route. That's actually a good idea... Not so much for the reason of traffic on Neptune, but for the reason of possibly garnering more riders on Av Z. b/w CI av & Ocean Pkwy (compared to Neptune b/w that same stretch, which I can tell you that virtually no one used the x29 at).... Edited March 30, 2014 by B35 via Church 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3119 Posted March 30, 2014 Ugh, I wish people would leave the damn B4 the way that it is and stop trying to cut off service to the eastern portion of Sheepshead Bay. The route works just fine the way that it is, and with Jackie Gleason having the route, ridership in Sheepshead Bay near Knapp Street continues to flourish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3120 Posted March 30, 2014 I suggest looking at the routes on the western end of the 31 in streetview because that routing is physically impossible... Indeed. I'm gonna have to rework that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3121 Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) * Your B82 is exactly what I would have my "B50" do... (old link for reference) * The "B101".... Despite the fact that I'm against any bus service along Knapp, care to explain this one fam? Because I'm thinking about a bus taking on such a routing, and I depict buses would be empty as hell past (meaning, east of) sheepshead.... You may get some Sheepshead HS kids willing to walk to it to get to KP, but IMO, that's really about it.... I mean, connecting Mill Basin patrons to the Brighton @ Kings Hwy is more efficient than connecting them to it at Sheepshead..... As for the (real) B4, I would truncate (some) trips on the western end before I'd ever truncate (all) trips on the Sheepshead end.... Mill Basin commuters should not be used as sacrificial lambs, because the Sheepshead end of the B4 is perplexing/winding..... Lol..... * The B102... I think Threxx had an idea similar to this.... But yeah, being general, this would be an efficient way for central brooklynites to get to Gateway.... Only problem I see atm is, having too many buses over there @ Prospect Park subway... Anything helping out the slow crawling B17 on Remsen I think would be of help... * The "x26", I kinda-sorta saw VG8's point with it competing w/ the x28 (I remember that discussion), but then again, I'm not against giving Bay Ridge Pkwy express bus service either... The problem (as you can see) is where would such a route terminate on the outerborough (Brooklyn) end.... * Not gonna comment/critique on the whole B2/B31/B100/giving av P service plan, as we all have different plans on how to go about doing that.... Since I lost the Brooklyn map I had all drawn out using PSP (paint shop pro) due to my HD konking out my desktop pc, I'm gonna start mapping out my Brooklyn ideas on multiple google maps (thanks for making this post btw... gave me the kickstart to want to start doing it).... I remember all the changes I would make (for the routes I would alter), so at least that's one less thing to worry about..... I was all ready to start mapping out Queens (which was the next borough I was gonna tackle) on those blank maps that Gorgor made too... Not gonna re-map Brooklyn on that Brooklyn blank map, as I spent countless hours over multiple days doing that shit... Lol..... Seems everyone agrees on the B82/B50 thing. B101 was just a throwing-shit-at-the-wall exercise. I noticed there was already a B100 and B103, and I had a nifty B102, so had to get that B101. Brooklyn Bus had his Q51 follow the Ave U/Knapp/Emmons route, so I did that in Brooklyn, but instead of Queens sent it to Mill Basin to give those folks service somewhere else besides just the Kings Highway area. Probably not a feasible route, but it's the internet. For the X26, I'd just terminate it there at 25/Ave U/86 St. Serves the regions I think would need it and a short deadhead to Ulmer. I'm going to re-do the X29 and B31 based on input from these forums. B31: Seems like the western end here is doable as it's same as B64 save for the last block. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0be030547c230&msa=0&ll=40.611054,-73.970971&spn=0.092655,0.198269 X29: That Avenue Z thing https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc1a9c5e8e109f6&msa=0&ll=40.669181,-73.9888&spn=0.370295,0.793076 Edited March 30, 2014 by Culver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3122 Posted March 30, 2014 Seems everyone agrees on the B82/B50 thing. B101 was just a throwing-shit-at-the-wall exercise. I noticed there was already a B100 and B103, and I had a nifty B102, so had to get that B101. Brooklyn Bus had his Q51 follow the Ave U/Knapp/Emmons route, so I did that in Brooklyn, but instead of Queens sent it to Mill Basin to give those folks service somewhere else besides just the Kings Highway area. Probably not a feasible route, but it's the internet. For the X26, I'd just terminate it there at 25/Ave U/86 St. Serves the regions I think would need it and a short deadhead to Ulmer. I'm going to re-do the X29 and B31 based on input from these forums. B31: Seems like the western end here is doable as it's same as B64 save for the last block. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc0be030547c230&msa=0&ll=40.611054,-73.970971&spn=0.092655,0.198269 X29: That Avenue Z thing https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc1a9c5e8e109f6&msa=0&ll=40.669181,-73.9888&spn=0.370295,0.793076 - Nah, you still have a few on here that feel that kings hwy west of the brighton & kings hwy east of the brighton should be served with one route.... My thing has always been that the B82 should have never been created.... They didn't know what to do w/ the old B5 (which was rapidly declining in usage), so they combined it with the B50 (which was already doing well).... The Av K thing was an observation of the B82 b/w flatbush/flatlands & utica/flatlands (not inclusive)..... I actually (and still) think putting local buses on that part of K would garner more folks using it, than what the B82 gets b/w that stretch... Not to mention the timewaste to get from flatlands/flatbush to flatbush/kings hwy.... - BrooklynBus' Rockaway-Sheepshead route (forgot what he called it at the time, but yeah, it's the Q51) is exactly what came to mind when I saw your "B101"... No need for the it's the internet comment, you're (or anyone else here is) not being held to any higher standard with these proposals..... - x29, yeah, looks better (thought you were gonna contest NYsubwaybuff's idea it, due to it making more turns, tbh).... My main thing with that route (as much as I didn't want it to get the axe) was that it ended at stillwell/surf.... While I don't know the historical context behind that, they should have been truncated the outerborough terminal to Trump Village... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3123 Posted March 30, 2014 - Nah, you still have a few on here that feel that kings hwy west of the brighton & kings hwy east of the brighton should be served with one route.... My thing has always been that the B82 should have never been created.... They didn't know what to do w/ the old B5 (which was rapidly declining in usage), so they combined it with the B50 (which was already doing well).... The Av K thing was an observation of the B82 b/w flatbush/flatlands & utica/flatlands (not inclusive)..... I actually (and still) think putting local buses on that part of K would garner more folks using it, than what the B82 gets b/w that stretch... Not to mention the timewaste to get from flatlands/flatbush to flatbush/kings hwy.... - BrooklynBus' Rockaway-Sheepshead route (forgot what he called it at the time, but yeah, it's the Q51) is exactly what came to mind when I saw your "B101"... No need for the it's the internet comment, you're (or anyone else here is) not being held to any higher standard with these proposals..... - x29, yeah, looks better (thought you were gonna contest NYsubwaybuff's idea it, due to it making more turns, tbh).... My main thing with that route (as much as I didn't want it to get the axe) was that it ended at stillwell/surf.... While I don't know the historical context behind that, they should have been truncated the outerborough terminal to Trump Village... Agreed on the X29. Running it to Stilwell makes no sense seeing as the remaining stops there would be at...not residential blocks. I assume it was done simply as a matter of letting the bus make some more stops on its way to/from Ulmer. I'm still trying to think of a way to make that B101 slightly useful. The B100 and B103 exist, the B102 is a seemingly useful idea, and that leaves poor ole B101. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc1308e05124fbf&msa=0&ll=40.597075,-73.93095&spn=0.046337,0.099134 Not sure if adding service to Kingsborough is the answer, but there are those articles about buses to/from Kingsborough being full and all, so maybe this version might lessen the load there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3124 Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) Agreed on the X29. Running it to Stilwell makes no sense seeing as the remaining stops there would be at...not residential blocks. I assume it was done simply as a matter of letting the bus make some more stops on its way to/from Ulmer. I'm still trying to think of a way to make that B101 slightly useful. The B100 and B103 exist, the B102 is a seemingly useful idea, and that leaves poor ole B101. https://www.google.com/maps/ms?msid=202807188220210378870.0004f5cc1308e05124fbf&msa=0&ll=40.597075,-73.93095&spn=0.046337,0.099134 Not sure if adding service to Kingsborough is the answer, but there are those articles about buses to/from Kingsborough being full and all, so maybe this version might lessen the load there. - Your assumption sounds plausible to me; nothing else really makes sense... I mean, the stops after trump village (the sea breeze stop) was the surf/W 8th st stop (outbound.... the inbound stop was over on W 10th IIRC) & the terminal @ stillwell (which dropped off right where the CI bound B36 picks up at).... - Sans the Mill Basin portion, this is similar to the old B21 - except you don't have the route swinging as far west as Ocean Pkwy to run b/w Manhattan Beach & Sheepshead Bay..... I would just scrap this particular idea, leave the B4 to serve Sheepshead east of the subway, and rename your rendition of the B31 to the B101, to keep your numerical scheme of B100's series intact... So you'd have: B100 - I'm assuming you'd leave this as is B101 - Gerritsen - Bay ridge route via 65th B102 - Lefferts Gdns/Prospect pk subway - Gateway mall route B103 - Also assuming you'd leave this as is IDK, just a thought..... Any future plans for a 104 & a 105? Lol! Edited March 30, 2014 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 30, 2014 Share #3125 Posted March 30, 2014 (edited) 1. Schedule changes won't do it, and it's really not a QM15 issue as to why the BM5 doesn't garner riders.... If you want to bring riders to the BM5, you're gonna have to take riders away from the BM2.... See, bringing riders to the BM2 is what made the BM5/BQM1 weaker in the first place... No one ever really looks at it like that; they just think the BM2 had an influx of riders due to the growth of Canarsie - Which is Bullshit.... I remember the posts across these boards saying that the changes to the old BQM1 were unnecessary, and all they had to do was simply rename the BQM1 to the BM5..... I think the MTA realizes the mistake they made w/ the BQM1/BM5, and are trying bring ridership to the route by infiltrating QM15 riders/ridership - While keeping the ridership of the BM2 intact.... I actually have an idea to bringing ridership back to the BM5, and it would happen instantly too.... Few things would have to happen though: - BM2 trips to Starrett, those would be gone.... ALL BM2 trips would terminate by the Breukelen houses.... - BM2 super express trips, would become BM5 super express trips (for that that live in Canarsie & points east)... This would make it a little easier for the Canarsie/Spring creek region of Brooklyn to get to midtown (as opposed to the current BM2 super express via the junction, prospect/gowanus, & FDR dr).... In turn, this would mean (for BM2 riders west of Canarsie) that there would be more of the "combined" runs during the rush hour (meaning, the BM2 in its totality would consist of trips [just serving lower manhattan], and the trips that would [serve lower manhattan & midtown manhattan]) - BM1, BM3, or the BM4 would see an increase of super express trips by at least 1 bus.... - BM5 would gain a few super express trips... I may draw a map later if I feel up to it... But the general idea is to have BM5's serve Canarsie, Starrett City, 380 cozine apartments (cozine/ashford), Boulevard houses, etc..... with the super express BM5's only serving Canarsie pax & ENY pax (along linden, east of Fountain). ...basically describes the current BM5. Once upon a time, the BQM1 served canarsie.... Now the BM5 does not... On top of that, you still have the BM2 trips that still serve Starrett (where a good chunk of the Brooklyn BM5 riders come from).... It is telling when you have the MTA adding stops along Woodhaven on the BM5 for increased ridership - of course, this cuts into QM15 overall ridership, being that it runs along Woodhaven as well.... 1/2.They're all good ideas, but since the MTA just wants to cut it all, they will probably not consider anything. That's why I proposed for an QM15 extension to Spring Creek during off peak hours at last resorts. The last inbound BM5 carries from about 7-9 riders, so I don't see why they should cut any further. I do agree that the discontinuation of service from Canarsie was ridiculous. Given how it only goes to Midtown instead of both Midtown and Downtown, it does pretty good. However, if BM5 service is severely cut (give it a few years, and that will happen) to a rush hour route, I would expect the MTA to provide some off-peak service to that area. With the QM15, it could be done, I mean that's the only real way, because extending the BM2 would be for nothing, those riders aren't going to deal with that. Making the BM2 a combined routing would make sense for your proposal, since some of the catchment has gone away with the new service. I remember riding the BM2 last year, everyone get off by 80 street/Ave M (except for me). I wanna see if it's the same case on a higher volume period, since I took one of the morning trips out of 57 street. BM2 ridership has gained all those BM5 riders, and probably has lost it by now, given the ridership patterns over from 2012-2013. The Spring Creek runs go to Downtown only, and the BM5 used to have good ridership because it was faster than the BM2. I don't know if it's too late for that or not. But it is worth a try. Since the MTA really just cuts everything in the case of the BM's, I don't see it looking good, however. The MTA could just cut it outright to a rush hour route (which is their goal). However, I still think there is ridership in the area to continue running. My idea for such a cut would be as follows: To Midtown: 5:30 AM- 8:10 AM To Spring Creek: 3:40 PM-7:45 PM Make all QM15 bus stops along Woodhaven Blvd south of Metropolitan Avenue (Get rid of the 63 Drive stop, as I think it's too far up and would be full by that point). I would just rename it to let's say, QM14, because by that point, it would be 5th Avenue branch of the QM15 (and actual full route would be from Spring Creek on the QM15, instead of Lindenwood). The reason I would do this is because most riders on the off peak trips get off on either 34th street or 57 street, and little to none on 5th Avenue, so in the worse case scenario, all off peak service on 5th Avenue would be discontinued. QM15: Weekdays: Spring Creek to Midtown: 8:40 AM- 12:40 PM Midtown to Spring Creek: 11:49 AM- 2:49 AM, 8:15 PM- 11:15 PM Lindenwood to Midtown: 5:40 AM to 8:45 AM, 2:00 PM- 6:00 PM Midtown to Lindenwood: 9:49 AM, 10:49 AM, 3:19 PM- 6:54 PM Saturdays: Spring Creek To Midtown: 7:40 AM- 1:40 PM Midtown To Spring Creek: 9:49 AM- 5:49 PM Lindenwood to Midtown: 3:00 PM to 6:00 PM Midtown to Lindenwood: 8:49 AM, 6:49 PM All service would still serve Lindenwood. The time span for trips from Lindenwood are short-turns. Edited March 30, 2014 by Q23 Central Terminal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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