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It wasn't just not soliciting feedback, but actively being condescending about it to, effectively going them a "f**k you". I mean, consider what Janno Lieber's position was all this time leading up to it: https://www.newsday.com/long-island/transportation/mta-east-side-access-eg7fx4fq It's been a while since that's been out, and tbh I'm kinda surprised nobody is saying anything regarding those comments. He answered it in such a bizarre way. Either he couldn't come up with some corporate gibberish to hide the incompetence, or he was being real honest with how he felt here (neither of which is good, but one is worse than the other). Of course now Janno is changing course with his comments. That's only because he has to though.

Whoever was in charge of making the schedules for the added St. Patrick's Day service, are y'all serious? The parade route is on 5th Avenue (like every other year), from 44th up to 79th Street. Instead of routing service to the brand new station thats very close to the start of the parade route, EVERY train added for parade goers is headed to Penn Station smh.

It's four trains altogether. Only one of them is a Ronkonkoma Branch Train. The others are a morning outbound train to Hempstead (likely what that Ronkonkoma Branch train leaves NYC as), a morning inbound Long Beach train, and a PM outbound Babylon Branch train. The Ronkonkoma Branch change made sense because during that interval, there are currently 3 trains in a row to Grand Central. The Long Beach Branch one is questionable though because the 7:54 train is now 8 minutes earlier than the existing 8:02 train, which goes to Penn and makes local stops in SE Queens. Way I see, enough people might just shift to that 7:54 train and crowd that while the 8:02 might run somewhat empty before hitting Lynbrook.

Suspended train service is suspended while we address a switch problem at Beach 90 St. Take Q22, Q52-SBS and Q53-SBS buses between Broad Channel and Rockaway Park. Posted: 03/08/2023 08:04 PM Part Suspended There is no train service between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd and Queensboro Plaza. Take a Q69 or Q101 bus. trains are holding in stations in Queens while FDNY responds to a track fire near 39 Av-Dutch Kills. Expect delays in both directions. Listen for announcements to hear if your train will be turned for southbound service. Take a train for service to Queens. Posted: 03/08/2023 08:40 PM

Fastrack on the QBL has been cancelled for tonight. I don't know what the exact reason is, but could it have to do with how the QBL has been a complete shit show every single day after FasTrack work ended? Today was a mess earlier. It's almost as if they realize that after whatever work they do, there's always some sort of signal problem the morning after.

Everyday this week there's been something on the QBL. This morning there was a disruptive person at Roosevelt, and then after that got resolved, there was a sick passenger on the train I was planning to get on. I ended up bolting to the instead. Was not gonna go through what I went on Monday with the signal problems and potentially getting stuck on a crawling train again. Anyways, here's an update to the above: Part Suspended We've restored very limited trains along Queens Blvd while we continue to address a network communication issue in Queens. There are still no trains running between Delancey St-Essex St and Forest Hills-71 Av. Expect delays in both directions in Manhattan and Brooklyn as well. The last stop on some northbound trains will be 168 St on the . The last stop on some northbound trains will be 21 St-Queensbridge. The last stop on some northbound trains will be 57 St-7 Av. Posted: 03/08/2023 11:38 AM

This would have been great to know.....50 MINUTES AGO! Delays trains are running with extensive delays in both directions while we address signal problems in Queens. service is suspended in both directions between Delancey St-Essex St and Forest Hills-71 Av. Some southbound trains are running on the local track from Forest Hills-71 Av to Jackson Hts-Roosevelt Av. Travel Alternatives As an alternative for travel between Queens and Manhattan, consider taking a train. Posted: 03/06/2023 08:39 AM

I was thinking something similar, one of those 4th Avenue services should have been split in order to maintain the headways. The and collectively cover large parts of the system in Queens by themselves, and they're both running on this shit headway, all because of something in Brooklyn that they couldn't plan better. I get work needs to be done, but you gotta be f**king kidding me with cutting the whole , , and lines by that much, to fit on one track. To make matters worse, the train isn't running into Manhattan, pushing people onto the and the , among other lines. Complete absurdity and lack of judgement (at the very least) from whoever came up with and approved it. I would have gone with the , have it run 161-Prospect Park (or Brighton Beach if that would create too many issues) on the northern split. The southern split would be 36th Street to Coney Island. There would be merging involved if the was split, around the 36th Street area.

Somebody got struck by a train at 69th Street, if this hellhole of a weekend for Queens subway riders wasn't enough. If people decide to take the Q32 instead, they're in for a long, long wait as well smh. Whoever came up with having the AND running every 15 minutes, plus having the not run into Manhattan all at the same time for this weekend, should be barred from reproducing (if they're still able to). EDIT: Wondering if they could really be single-tracking on the express track? Delays Flushing-Main St trains will run on the express track from Queensboro Plaza to 74 St-Broadway. Some southbound trains will end at 61 St-Woodside. Emergency teams are responding to a person who was struck by a train at 69 St. Some northbound trains will end at 61 St-Woodside. trains are delayed in both directions. Travel Alternatives: For service between 74 St-Broadway and Queensboro Plaza, take a nearby train at Jackson Hts-Roosevelt Av or trains to Queensboro Plaza. Posted: 02/11/2023 09:49PM

, , AND trains are all running every 15 minutes this weekend, so if you thought the scheduled waits were bad under the existing weekend schedule, you're in for the ride of a lifetime ride this weekend. This is because all trains are running local in both directions along 4th Avenue in Brooklyn. The and are already atrocious as it is (5 tph each, 10 tph total) and the is slightly better (6 tph). Trains have shared the track in one direction before without reducing headways, so this makes me think that there's flagging that's gonna go on there. If so, I expect no time difference between points compared to the normal schedule and for the trains to be downright unreliable. Imma make sure to absolutely to avoid the train at all costs. To the train it is. Hopefully there aren't any damn ghost buses on the Q47.

I didn't know that Greyhound moved its Mount Laurel stop (which is not even in Mount Laurel anymore). That commuter service then directly competes with Academy's Westhampton service, which is a shell of what it used to be like 15-20 years ago (a fall from grace IMO). Personally if I were Academy and knew that, I would probably try to work something out with Greyhound if needed so they just run that service 100%, or at the very least coordinate with them (like the 8A operated by Academy/Coach USA). The Westhampton route has always been out of the way the rest of other routes (as well as from the depot) as it serves a very different service area than all the others. Also according to Greyhound and Academy timetables, some trips run within minutes of each other in either direction. That sounds like a waste, especially since Greyhound seems to have scaled down their Mount Laurel commuter service since then. Some of those saved Academy resources could be used elsewhere (maybe some type of weekend service, as there's nothing right now).

To be clear, I'm not speaking from a position that the MTA this time around got it right with the second Queens draft. There's still stuff they shouldn't have changed and other things that seems like were arbitrarily changed (just for the sake of changing things). My concern is that while they very well scale back some stuff and modify their plans, I don't believe they're going to change everything. There will be some things that the MTA is going to be adamant on keeping, and gut some of the other stuff. Reason why I brought the Box redesign as a comparison was because even though they made changes, some of the worse parts of that redesign IMO remained, such as the Bx15/M125 split, (even though ridership patterns on the former Bx15 did not reflect having to split it at 149th St), and the Q50 service level & route between PBP and Co-Op City. As far as the Queens redesign goes, those local routes you mentioned, are ones that I alluded to earlier (regarding them changing them for the sake of changing them). On the express bus side of stuff, the routings themselves are generally better than in the past (there's still parts that I don't necessarily agree with). The service levels on the other hand, are not all that good, which I hope gets improved and not left unchanged.

Interesting to note. IDK how I feel about them scaling back stuff, because who knows what proposals they'll keep and modify, and what routes they would revert back to the way it was (at this time it's pure speculation). Not everything needs to be reverted back, but we'll see what happens. Perhaps the Queens redesign team may be better on this front, but if the Bronx bus redesign is any indicator of what's to come, it'll leave a lot to be desired. There are some decent plans, primarily with some of the interborough connections, although there are other questionable proposals. It would absolutely suck if some of those get axed, but then have something like the B53 somehow get left untouched (technically a Brooklyn route and in the Brooklyn redesign as well, but it was first concocted as part of the Queens redesign).

I don't know how prevalent that issue has been so far, but what I do know is that the reverse is quite a issue: trains dumping along with the atrocious service. The running every 20 minutes barely helps matters, since they're usually timed right around an train, usually after. I had the pleasure of experiencing that yesterday since when I got off, the was 12 minutes away (and the was 16 minutes away). What's worse, is that the Astoria-bound trains are timed to depart Herald Square just before the Astoria-bound (N). However, because the is departing from the SB platform, virtually everyone takes the there, and since it takes time switching over to Times Square, the either beats the or arrives at the same time. And then because the switches to the local track before 57 Street instead of after, it crawls north of 49th Street as the gets in front of it. Poorly timed, and I bet it's done like that to save up from running an extra trainset that they otherwise would have to provide to not bunch.

Usually if it's "until further notice", the amount/length of time of whatever work they're doing is usually far out from whenever they put the notice, but not exactly known, although don't expect it to be resolved anytime soon. It could be anywhere from a few weeks, to months, or in the case of the Q47 (when it was detoured via Grand Avenue), years. Also, bustime does not let you see buses off route. It would be nice to know, but the way they have it programmed, you cannot. Perhaps that is something that should be looked into.

Also, they don't want to spend money to add machines, only to have to take them out within a relatively short period. Considering that and the fact that those things can potentially eat your card and obliterate its use, I can understand that.

If anyone was unaware, the train was running approximately every 8 minutes this weekend. Throwback to more than a decade ago. I guess it took suspending both the and trains to boost train service. While the trains were still packed to/from Delancey, trains between Queens and Manhattan weren't as crushloaded as they tend to be. I was able to get a seat as well. Personally the R160s are okay with me. I find myself dashing to/from the subway if I'm taking anything that's not the , because the service is crap (especially off-peak hours), and it seems like the trains are miraculously timed to show up just before the bus, if not at the same time. I'm a fast walker, and when I walk for a while and then enter the subway car, I heat up almost immediately if I'm at the ends where the ventilation/fans doesn't seem to reach. Now add running to that (even with the temperatures for this time of year), and an even hotter subway car? Oh hell nah, lol.

(Certain) Ronkonkoma and PJ Branch trains stop have been stopping at Elmont in both directions since November... Also, Elmont receives decent usage from Main Line trains that stop there from what I've seen. Those people would need to backtrack to Jamaica if there wasn't a stop at Elmont. Ironically, running Belmont Park shuttles would also delay Main Line trains, and I'd argue even worse than. There's limitations to the speed and tph in the Belmont Spur because of the signal type and configuration. And those slow speeds coming out of Belmont Park and onto the Main Line would loom disastrous to OTP. There's a reason why there's only one event a year where they actually run full fledged service (Belmont Stakes). IINM it's only because of NYRA funds service. IDK if you're aware how service operates on that day, but the Hempstead Branch is reduced to bi-hourly as it uses one track (for trains from Belmont Park to layup). Also, Main Line branches use only use the northernmost two tracks, while Belmont Park trains use the southernmost two tracks, this avoiding any conflict in that section. Even then, eastbound Hempstead Branch trains have to skip Hollis Queens Village, and there may still be delays near Jamaica (although not as bad as if it was east of Queens Village). You're just moving the choke point to a different location.

Friday the 13th was the last day of the daily 67X Parkway Express service between Toms River and Jersey City via Newark. The route also provided summer service to the Jersey Shore (Seaside Park, Seaside Heights & Island Park), its future which is unclear given the 67X's elimination. This follows the elimination of the 67B Parkway Express in November of last year, the rush hour commuter variant between Toms River and Newark. That service was eliminated due to low ridership as well. In its place, the 319 trips to/from Jersey City now make stops at Brick & Dorado Park & Ride on weekdays, except for the AM trip out of Jersey City. Collectively, the 67B, 67X, and 319 provided 3-4 trips in each direction daily. This service was at one point was catered to commuters, casual/leisure riders between northern NJ & Ocean County, and riders headed to/from Atlantic City (requiring a transfer at Toms River in most cases). With WFH being a more common option nowadays, Atlantic City in decline for years, and even scheduling decisions by NJT, the year-round ridership base slowly eroded. Currently, the 319 trips in the early AM to/from Atlantic City and the one weekday PM trip from Jersey City remains, however it is useless for most riders at this point, and taking the local 67 to/from Newark is significantly slower, taking more than twice as long to get to Newark. Bus 7286 (an MCI D4500CT CNG unit) was on the last 67X trip, the 5:15 PM from Toms River to Jersey City. That was also the only scheduled 67X trip that day. The bus arrived JSQ around 10 minutes late. Below contains footage of that last 67X bus entering Journal Square, a ride onboard the final 67B trip ever (which I did not share), and additional 67B/67X/319 footage over the years in Newark, and some more. Newark Penn (Many From 2018) 2008 MCI D4500CT 7175 on the 319 (New Jersey Transit) at Newark Penn Station by BM5 via Woodhaven (Main), on Flickr 2008 MCI D4500CT 7175 on the 319 (New Jersey Transit) at Newark Penn Station by BM5 via Woodhaven (Main), on Flickr 2015 MCI D4500CT 7340 on the 67X (New Jersey Transit) at Newark Penn Station by BM5 via Woodhaven (Main), on Flickr 2015 MCI D4500CT 7278 on the 67 (New Jersey Transit) at Newark Penn Station by BM5 via Woodhaven (Main), on Flickr 2015 MCI D4500CT 7274 on the 67B (New Jersey Transit) at Newark Penn Station by BM5 via Woodhaven (Main), on Flickr 2015 MCI D4500CT 7302 on the 67 (New Jersey Transit) at Newark Penn Station by BM5 via Woodhaven (Main), on Flickr 2015 MCI D4500CT CNG 7286 on the 67 (NJ Transit) at Raymond Plaza West & Market Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr Toms River 2018 MCI D4500CT 18118 on the 319 (NJ Transit) at Toms River Park & Ride by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2015 MCI D4500CT CNG 7253 on the 137 (NJ Transit) at Toms River Park & Ride by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr A bit of irony here... 2018 MCI D4500CT 18083 on the 559 (NJ Transit) at Toms River Park & Ride by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr Final 67X Pulling Into JSQ 2015 MCI D4500CT CNG 7286 on the 67X (NJ Transit) at Sip Avenue & Journal Square Transportation Center Entrance by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr Thanks for viewing!

Screwup on the 6th Avenue Line right now. Started as: Trains Rerouted Northbound: via line from W 4 St to 59 St-CC bypassing 42 St-Bryant Pk express from Canal St to 42 St-PABT (E) /59 St-CC (C) What's Happening? NYPD is conducting an investigation at 42 St-Bryant Pk. Additional Updates: Expect delays while trains share tracks. For all service to/from 42 St-Bryant Pk, take a southbound train. Listen for announcements to hear how your train will be rerouted. Posted: 01/11/2023 06:40PM ...and then almost immediately after the above got cleared, somebody said 'we ain't done yet': Trains Rerouted Southbound trains are running: Local from 34 St-Herald Sq to W 4 St Via from 59 St-CC to Jay St-Metrotech, then via to Coney Island-Stillwell Av. What's Happening? We're removing a train with a mechanical problem from service at 34 St-Herald Sq. Additional Updates: Some southbound trains are running on the line from Jackson Hts-Roosevelt Av to Court Sq, then via the line to Bergen St. Some Metropolitan Av-bound trains are running on the line from 5 Av/53 St to W 4 St-Wash Sq. Expect delays. Listen for announcements to hear how your train will be rerouted. Posted: 01/11/2023 07:01PM

The only reason they probably routed the S51 like that because it having it run along Main Street would add just enough time to where the layover situation may not be ideal. Personally I'm not a fan that there's also nothing in that part of residential Holbrook either. I get consolidating service to one bus route, but the way they did it is dumb. However that's what happens when you're constrained by costs and try to do things as cost-neutral as possible. The other thing I did consider was having a mix of the S57 and S59 running between Ronkonkoma and Sayville on hourly headways, how exactly I'm not 100% sure. How would a circulator-type of service work (general areas served)? I agree with the general notion that there should be some north-south service in that area. It won't even be every 30 minutes to SCCC because the S52B wouldn't serve it, from the looks of those maps (it shows the Town Hall deviation so I would assume it would also show the SCCC deviation if they planned to so). I get the rationale behind running it via Gordon Heights, however i'm not sure about completely taking the route off Mooney Pond Road (since it isn't that close to Middle Country Road) and also have it run via Gordon Heights in that matter. The trip time between Coram and Gordon Heights (~15 minutes) is deceptively long, despite it looking like a relatively short distance. I suppose it would be a boost though from its current situation, where there's only direct access towards Coram and not points west. Also no matter what serves Brookhaven Town Hall, it'll be quite a deviation from the major roads / bus lines in the area (no matter which one is chosen) just because of where it's situated. Ironic too given that's where a lot of public services are provided and handled, but that's a separate convo. The reason I considered having the S52 just run to/from Ronkonkoma LIRR was because cycle-wise, to get to Gordon Heights would take roughly 45-50 minutes (~30 on the current 6A route to Coram, and then 15 to Gordon Heights). so a round trip can be done in roughly 90-100 minutes, with a cycle time of 120 minutes (which is where the 2 buses figure come from). That would be consistent no matter what part of the day. Running the S52 on hourly headways to/from Central Islip would require roughly 3 buses (and as proposed would use 5 buses during the day on weekdays). That's also part why I came up with that revamped version of the S71 and have that run to/from Central Islip instead. There's a few reasons why I came up with it too. Overall I think there's more demand from Farmingville and Holbrook (maybe from Mastic & Shirley) to Central Islip (and other areas by extension, particularly Brentwood) then there would be from Coram and Gordon Heights, so that would be a better use of resources IMO. Other reasons included: Restoring bus service to the Yaphank offices Serving that Walmart Supercenter off the LIE (funny thing, it's ironically the only Walmart not served by ANY public transit out in Suffolk, and maybe even LI as a whole) Serving parts of Shirley that lost bus service back in 2016 with the elimination of the 7D. Serving Brookhaven Town Hall, and directly connecting more of the Town of Brookhaven to it in the process The route would also serve expressway plaza, so in essence the S71 would kinda be like what you are considering with the S52 between CI and Brookhaven Town Hall, except headed towards Medford, Yaphank, and Shirley. The 'S56' would not be simply be blanketed on top of the existing proposed network, it would involve modifying some of the either proposed alignments too, so that it wouldn't amount to an insanely redundant service. For starters i wouldn't have the S5 running to Smith Haven at all, but the S5/S58 replacement wouldn't serve as much of NY-25. Plus in Huntington I would can the H40 as the route would essentially cover most of the route (and then anyone needing points north of Jericho can transfer to the S7 or H10). That's also why I floated the idea that a partnership between NICE, HART, and SCT to run the service collectively, so that SCT maintains the same amount of resources, and that none of the operators at HART would lose their jobs with such a change. The Nassau portion between Hicksville and the county line to provide more bus coverage within Nassau (and if NICE got in on such service, they would also be providing said service). So you would have whoever's headed out to Huntington and points east from Hicksville, plus riders headed to/from Syosset as well. I didn't want to involve the n79 in any way, shape or form for that reason. Also I think the n79 (route-wise) should be left alone and that NICE needs to look at closing those service gaps. The other alternatives would be to have the S56 travel via Woodbury Road (similar to the old N94) to Jericho Turnpike, which would skip Syosset and avoid NY-25 until Woodbury. That would also cut down some travel time and also allow it to serve Siena Hospital. Either that or take Woodbury Road to South Oyster Bay Road to Jericho Turnpike. As far as the S11 goes, IINM once the S11 gets to Hauppauge (from Bay Shore), it'll turn into an S17 towards Islip (and the S17 from Islip turns into an S11 to Bay Shore). Are you saying that you would cut down the S17 to hourly during weekday daytimes / bi-hourly during all other hours? If so, I guess at least on weekdays that would be on-par with the existing 3C in terms of service levels, but on weekends that would make the service on the S17 leg rather unattractive. Personally I don't like what they did in that area to begin with (NY-111 in particular with no bus service, while Carleton Ave / 3C area receives 30 minute service on weekdays). I get the reasoning for the S2 running between Amityville (or Sunrise Mall) and Patchogue, but yeah, the difference between ridership levels on the current S20 and S40 are like night and day. Even with the expansion of service to cover Montauk Highway, it doesn't look like it made much of a difference. Although n19 ridership on Montauk Highway (when it ran to Babylon) wasn't the highest, it wasn't the lowest either, and most riders took it to/from Nassau, not too much intra-Suffolk ridership from what I recall. However given how NICE destroyed the n19, plus the lack of service for quite some time in that area after it got cut from Babylon, whatever riders used the n19 bus in that area likely gave up altogether (or are using the Babylon Branch), and did not switch over to the S20, although to be fair even though the combined headways decreased at Sunrise Mall and Babylon, on the individual segments (Oak Street) the headways are worse than they were before. Ninety minute headways on the S20 loops just aren't it. In the past I was more supportive of such a proposal (S40 to Sunrise Mall) but now I'm more or less indifferent to it. Ultimately what I like is the overall better service provided on all segments of the route more than anything. If that's what it takes to get it to a reasonable headway, then I'm all for it, although I would still say that the service should be branched between via Oak Street and via Montauk Highway at the very least on weekdays. Weekends it's a different story and I'm conflicted, since the headways are hourly. Unless it would be an improvement over existing service, I wouldn't want to subject riders to 120 minute headways, but I also think Lindenhurst and that Oak Street segment should have some weekend service. As far as the S19 and sending it over to Farmingdale LIRR, there is some evidence that may indicate it is still feasible to run to/from Farmingdale LIRR with one bus. I checked out this n72 timetable to see roughly how much time was given, and from Conklin & Main Street to Babylon in like 23-24 minutes during peak hours (similar distance to/from Farmingdale LIRR). So if those runtimes still hold today and traffic conditions are about the same, it may be possible. However, it has since been a decade so maybe not, IDK. I wouldn't be opposed to sending it further into Farmingdale though. Yeah, the S80 I would totally get rid of, the other routes (in particular the S62, because of how its routed) can cover most segments. I totally support them moving the transfer point / terminal into Downtown Riverhead, as the current setup is brutal if your bus is late. I've had that happen to me before, where I've been on a late bus and it just barely missed the connecting bus I was looking for. Not the best place to be waiting around for multiple reasons, the biggest one being that there's much of nothing around. Now IDK if that's the same reason they moved the terminal. Given that they extended the S66 all the way up to Peconic Bay, it leads me to believe that it was more to trim the runtime on the S58 & S62 and maintain it within a reasonable time limit with whatever number of buses they plan on running the route with. As far as the S66 is concerned, they seriously need to move the bus off of Montauk Highway. While the extension to Peconic Bay Medical Center in Riverhead is understandable and cool I suppose, they're basically stunting ridership by taking the straightest (cheapest) way between Patchogue and Shirley (via Montauk Highway). Most of that area is wooded, contain auto shops, and is adjacent to the Montauk Branch (which cuts off points south). I would also branch the S66 like you mentioned, what I would have the northern branch operate via LI Community Hospital and Conifer Village, then operate via Martha Ave, Americus Ave, Brookhaven Ave, and Station Road in North Bellport to/from Montauk Highway (and the southern branch would do what you effectively described). Weekdays I would the northern branch operate all the way to Riverhead, and on weekends between Patchogue and Shirley. That way I guess you can get rid of the S77/77Y and use those resources elsewhere (of which I have a few considerations), or restructure it to serve some of the local streets the existing 7B serves if warranted Upon further examination it doesn't look like there are many places where you can safely put stops on Sills Road. The few places where you can put a bus stop, it's a bit of a walk to the residential streets), which makes that part virtually useless. I was under the impression that you were more easily able to cross Sills Road, but the non-signalized intersections are just not ideal with the merging/turning lanes and vehicles going at over 50 mph on that stretch. Sheesh The S3 north of Nicolls Road I'm perfectly fine with, south of it I just think could have been handled better. As far as what you're suggesting, that's close to what I had in mind, with the S5 would be hourly between Babylon and Brentwood (via Deer Park Ave, Grand Blvd, Pilgram State, and the outskirts of SCCC Brentwood. The truncation of the S5 to Brentwood, plus reduction to hourly service and straightening of the S3 down Deer Park Avenue would free up resources to operate the S27 (Babylon to Deer Park Tanger Outlets) and a revamped S25 (Babylon - Wyandanch via Little East Neck Road, Westchester Ave, Mount Ave & Straight Path) on a full time basis, both hourly. I don't know, personally I'm not too onboard with the idea of sending the S5 to Smith Haven, maybe because the S4 is already there serving a similar purpose, and the S5 is just more indirect than the S4 between Deer Park and Smith Haven Mall. Especially since the S4 is one of those frequent routes (the proposed S5 is one too, but still), I just think that most would connect to the S4 for the most part if they cannot take the S5. Given the change to the S52 in this updated proposal, it actually saves one bus during daytime hours, which is probably where the resources for the S77Y came. Had they kept their proposed S52 as it originally was, it would have had a cycle time of 180 minutes (~30 from CI to Ronkonkoma, 30 from Ronkonkoma to Coram, and 15 to/from Gordon Heights, plus 15 of recovery time at each end), requiring 6 buses. If the cycle time on the S77 is that razor thin though with one bus, then I would probably just gut it and incorporate it with the S66 (see above).

Here's a list of bus route and service changes taking effect starting January 8th (today). Weekday changes take effect on January 9th, and Saturday changes take effect on January 14th. Keep in mind that some other routes also had new timetables come out, but these were limited to formatting changes in the timetable, or minor trip time changes (<5 minutes) which were negligible. This isn't a very big list compared to other schedule changes, however there are some notable changes below. The Bronx Bx18 - Route Relabeled to Bx18A/Bx18B, Service Changes Buses have been relabeled as follows to alleviate confusion: Bx18A - Undercliff Loop (Macombs Road section first, then via Undercliff to East 168/170 Street segments) Bx18B - Sedgwick Loop (East 168/170 Street segments first, then via Sedgwick Avenue to River Park Towers & Macombs Road section) Bx18B / Bx18 Sedgwick Loop Weekdays 8:35 AM-9:30 AM: Service will now operate every 10-15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes (+2 trips) Bx18A / Bx18 Undercliff Loop Weekdays The 5:00 (first) and 5:30 AM (second) trips will now depart at 5:10 and 5:40 AM, respectively The 6:00 AM trip will now depart at 6:05 AM 6:30 AM - 8:30 AM: Trips will be shifted by two minutes earlier The 6:42 AM trip will be discontinued (-1 trip) 8:30 AM - 9:20 AM: Trips will operate every 10 minutes instead of every 20 minutes (+3 trips) 9:20 AM - 3:21 PM Trips will be shifted to operate 8 minutes later 3:22 PM - 6:50 PM Trip times will be shifted between 7 minutes earlier and 3 minutes later A 6:55 PM trip will be added (+1 trip) 9:30 PM-12:20 AM: Trip times will be shifted 5 minutes later The 12:59 AM trip will now depart at 12:55 AM Bx18B / Bx18 Sedgwick Loop Saturdays The first trip at 5:00 AM will now depart at 5:15 AM Before 9:00 AM: Buses will now depart at :15 and :45, instead of :00 and :30 9:00 AM - 6:59 PM: Buses will now depart 10 minutes later than the pre-2023 schedule 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM: Buses will now depart at :12, :32, and :52 instead of :00, :20, and :40 After 9:00 PM: Trip times will be shifted up to 5 minutes later, with the last bus departing at 12:15 AM (instead of 12:10 AM) Bx18A / Bx18 Undercliff Loop Saturdays 4:01 PM - 9:29 PM: Trips departing Grand Concourse will now leave 2 minutes later Bx18B / Bx18 Sedgwick Loop Sundays The first trip at 5:00 AM will now depart at 4:55 AM Bx18A / Bx18 Undercliff Loop Saturdays The first trip at 5:00 AM will now depart at 5:10 AM Before 8:30 AM: Buses will now depart at :10 and :40, instead of :00 and :30 The 8:30 AM trip will now depart at 8:35 AM 8:31 AM - 2:20 PM: Trips will now depart 5 minutes earlier than the pre-2023 schedule 2:21 PM - 8:44 PM: Trips will now depart 10 minutes earlier than the pre-2023 schedule After 8:45 PM: Trips will depart at :15 and :45 instead of :10 and :40, with the last trip departing at 12:45 AM instead of 12:40 AM Bx28 - Weekday Evening Service Decreases Trips leaving Fordham between 9:15 PM and 10:54 PM will change as follows (-1 trip): OLD - 9:37 PM, 10:03 PM, 10:15 PM, 10:27 PM, 10:39 PM, 10:54 PM NEW - 9:35 PM, 9:55 PM, 10:15 PM, 10:35 PM, 10:54 PM The trip departing Co-Op City at 8:36 PM will now depart at 8:31 PM A new 9:30 PM trip from Co-Op City to Norwood will be added, which will be the new last trip of the night to skip Northern Co-Op City (+1 trip) Bx38 - Weekday Trip Changes, Span Increase The 6:30 AM trip from Valentine Avenue & East 192nd Street (Fordham) to Co-Op City will now originate at Bainbridge Avenue & East 206th Street (Norwood) at 6:47 AM A new trip will be added from Norwood at 10:25 PM, which will now be the last trip of the day, which was formerly the 10:07 PM trip (+1 trip) The 9:25 PM final trip of the night from Co-Op City to Fordham will now depart at 9:22 PM and no longer run past Norwood Use the new 9:30 PM Bx28 scheduled two minutes later along Gun Hill Road (see Bx28 changes) Brooklyn B67 & B69 - Weekday and Saturday Trip Time Changes Weekdays: B67 SB, 9:34 AM - 1:30 PM: Trip departure times from pre-2023 have shifted by up to 11 minutes early B69 SB, 10:07 AM - 2:00 PM: Trip departure times from pre-2023 have shifted by up to 9 minutes early Saturdays: Many daytime trip time changes by up to 7 minutes B67 NB, 9:15 PM - 12:20 AM: Buses will depart Kensington 5-12 minutes earlier B67 SB: The 9:38 PM trip to Kensington will now depart Sands Street at 9:47 PM B69 SB: The last trip to Kensington will depart Sands Street at 10:03 PM instead of 9:46 PM B67 SB, 10:00 - 10:59 PM: Buses will depart Sands Street up 10-13 minutes later B67 SB, After 11 PM: Buses will depart Sands Street at :25 and :55 instead of :30 and :00, with exception of the final 1:30 AM trip which will now depart at 1:35 AM Manhattan M1 - Weekday Service Starts Earlier, More Service to/from SoHo The first northbound trip of the day will now depart SoHo at 5:07 AM and East Village at 5:12 AM, instead of 6:00 AM and 5:35 AM, respectively NB 5:12 AM - 6:32 AM (from East Village): Service will operate every 20 minutes instead of every 30 minutes (+2 trips) SB: The first trip from 147th Street will now depart at 4:00 AM towards SoHo in addition to added 4:27 AM trip (instead of 4:47 AM to East Village only, and 5:07 AM to SoHo; +2 trips) M79 - WB Route Change, Overnight Service Frequency Reduction, Trip Time Changes Due to Ongoing Construction near turnaround at Riverside Drive WB buses will officially travel via West End Avenue, West 72nd Street, and Riverside Drive to West 79th Street and end New route expected to increase trip times by up to 9 minutes Overnight service (1:00 AM to 4:00 AM) will now operate every 45 minutes instead of every 40 minutes Weekend AM trip times have changed by up to 12 minutes Staten Island S93 - Service to Bay Ridge Before 7 AM starts Now Officially Starts at Victory Boulevard Entrance of CSI

Here's footage from buses operating on various detours a little under two months ago, during the NYC Marathon. The marathon route leads to diversions, truncations, and routes split into two segments. Most of the notable diversions occur in Manhattan with some in The Bronx as well, which is why all the photos/videos below are from those two boroughs. The Orion VII NG Hybrid catches may have happened for the last time, since the aging fleet is slated to be fully replaced at some point relatively soon. Compared to last year, there were significantly less Orion VII NG Hybrid units out there. 2019 New Flyer XD60 6218 on the M125 at Lenox Avenue & West 125th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2017 New Flyer XD60 6059 on the M125 at Lenox Avenue & West 136th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2017 Nova Bus LFSA 5463 on the M60 SBS at Lenox Avenue & West 142nd Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2012 Nova Bus LFSA 5909 on the M102 at Lenox Avenue & West 125th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2018 Nova Bus LFSA 5512 on the M125 at East 149th Street & 3rd Avenue by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2018 Nova Bus LFSA 5512 on the M125 at Lenox Avenue & West 125th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2017 Nova Bus LFSA 5456 on the M60 SBS at Lenox Avenue & West 125th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2012 Nova Bus LFSA 5902 on the M60 SBS at Lenox Avenue & West 143rd Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2022 New Flyer XDE40 9432 on the M4 at Frederick Douglass Circle & West 110th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2021 Nova Bus LFS HEV 9770 on the M2 LIMITED at Central Park West & West 106th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2012 Nova Bus LFSA 5899 on the M102 at Central Park West & West 104th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2022 New Flyer XDE40 9476 on the M1 at Central Park West & West 100th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2021 Nova Bus LFS HEV 9815 on the M3 at Central Park West & 97th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2022 New Flyer XDE40 9457 on the M116 at Central Park West & West 97th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2009 Orion VII NG Hybrid 4266 on the M2 LIMITED at Central Park West & West 97th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2010 Orion VII NG Hybrid 4694 on the M3 at Central Park West & West 96th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2012 Nova Bus LFSA 5268 on the M102 at Central Park West & West 96th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2021 New Flyer XDE40 9596 on the M106 at Central Park West & West 93rd Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2022 New Flyer XDE40 9456 on the M3 at Central Park West & West 90th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2022 New Flyer XDE40 9450 on the M106 at Central Park West & West 86th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2021 New Flyer XDE40 9603 on the M4 at Central Park West & West 86th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2021 New Flyer XDE40 9596 on the M106 at Central Park West & West 86th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr 2012 Nova Bus LFSA 5881 on the M102 at West 86 Street & Central Park West by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr Enjoy!

Suspended Southbound trains are running on the line from 149 St-Grand Concourse to Nevins St. service is suspended. Emergency teams are responding to a person who was struck by a train at 135 St. Alternatives: For service between Manhattan and the Bronx, consider taking M7, M10 or M125 bus. For service on the Lenox Av line, take a northbound train. Posted: 12/28/2022 11:14PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Delays Northbound trains are delayed while we work to safely remove debris from the tracks at 72 St. Posted: 12/28/2022 11:42PM UPDATE: Multiple Changes Some northbound trains will end at 34 St-Penn Station or Times Sq-42 St, and return for southbound service. We're working to safely remove debris from the the tracks at 72 St. Additional service changes: Some northbound trains are running along the line from Nevins St to 149 St-Grand Concourse. Expect delays in service. Posted: 12/29/2022 12:03AM

Interesting, didn't know that they released timetables for the last week of December, for the NYCT express routes. Usually they don't, but it's a step in the right direction. X27: https://new.mta.info/document/103106 X28: https://new.mta.info/document/103111 X63: https://new.mta.info/document/103116 X64: https://new.mta.info/document/103121 X68: https://new.mta.info/document/103126