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Agreed in entirety. Unfortunately, your words seem to have gone over many people's heads- a crime worthy of federal investigation was committed, an employee died in the line of duty, but no, all they keep asking about is "OMG what happens to the R142s"... Has anyone stopped to think about what will happen to the family he left behind? Un-f**king-believable, really and truly...

Well, when this whole thing blows over, we'll see who was right and who was wrong. When cooler heads prevail... I'll leave it at that.

Everyone has lost their damn minds. When a pandemic of truly lethal proportions, like the plague or smallpox emerges, 21st-century society will be completely incapable of dealing with it because the mentality seems to be one of unmitigated panic... the fear-mongering that is going around is out of control, and is doing damage that will last well beyond this coronavirus. The economic fallout is having a disproportionate effect on those who can't afford it. Try telling the thousands who already lost their jobs "oh well, you know, better safe than sorry". Or those who've been sent on unpaid leave "oh, just take out a payday loan". Or those who are still being required to come to work by their employers "well, somebody sneezed at the train station, guess you're walking to work now". Or for that matter, the thousands who don't have health insurance "oh, you should get tested". People are getting shafted hard, but no, these non-proportional responses are entirely justified, all perfectly reasonable... I wonder how many of you will be lining up to help people get back on their feet once this thing passes- or will you all just be sitting around reminiscing "oh this was a terrible pandemic, we barely survived". I wonder.

This is getting ridiculous; people can't be panicking at just the slightest sign of illness...

Well to put things in perspective, compare the R36 WF at retirement (40 years) with the R32 in 2009 (45 years), and the difference in quality is apparent. I doubt the R27s or R30s would've managed to reach forty-five years in service, not after all the rust and acid baths their carbon steel went through in the '70s.

I think a lot of people will if it comes to that. At the end of the day, no one I've spoken with ever wants to see her of all people in government again. God forbid.

Personally, I could see myself acquiescing to Biden if he offered Sanders the vice-presidency. Otherwise, all bets are off.

I never said I didn't vote. The reason I complain in the first place is because the people I used to vote for in the past (many Democrats) let me down, so I started voting independent and third-party. If I can't have an elected official who I trust, then at least I can have a clean conscience.

Perhaps you and I have differing definitions of mainstream Democrats- mine is those who, in my experience, haven't cared about ordinary working people and/or reforming government for the better (Pelosi, Schumer, Cuomo) vs. those who have (Bernie Sanders, Jimmy Carter, LBJ). I guess 'pro-corporate' would be a better substitute for 'mainstream'? Either way, the Democratic Party is in need of serious reform as they are addicted to wealthy establishment donors and individuals more generally; they need to re-embrace the working class if they want to win back votes, not just the middle class. As to Biden, I don't buy the whole narrative of him being dead in the water only to magically come out of left field overnight. I don't buy Biden legitimately winning Washington state where Sanders trounced Hillary by a large margin four years ago. I don't buy a guy who, for all we know, might try to give Hillary the VP slot. I don't believe in coincidences, not at this point in my life- where I see smoke, I suspect fire. Until the Dem leadership does some serious work on reducing their credibility gap, I'm going to have a hard time taking them seriously again. Fortunately I've had enough sense to never take the Republicans seriously on anything. I guess the moral of the story is, two parties are not enough to fairly represent 330 million people and their various viewpoints- the "big-tent" concept is a fallacy. As to Medicare for all, whether it is a good idea or a bad one, it would constitute a first step in the right direction all the same. Right now, to get to an NHS-type system, one would have to start from nothing, while also trying to overcome the strong opposition that would inevitably result from those who have a vested interest in keeping things as they are (pharma executives/profiteers, insurance corporate leadership, Wall Street investors, et ceter).

Yeah it would make sense, especially back in the late-'90s/early-'00s considering the bridge tracks were out- sending all trains through the tunnel with the during rush hour would've been a mess I suspect.

What about the R32 contract in the early 1960s- didn't the TA offer a premium to builders for stainless instead of carbon?

Unfortunately, the DNC is too busy stacking the deck against Sanders (for the second time in a row, no less). They want Biden, who just said that if elected he'd veto Medicare for All if it ever reached his desk. Now whether Medicare for All is good or bad is an issue worthy of discussion, but coming out as firmly against an initiative to increase people's access to healthcare amidst a public health crisis is just bad PR, to say the least. I never liked the Republicans, but at this point I am done with the mainstream Democrats. Both completely out of touch with reality at this point.

Actually I requested in the hope that it would go under your original title LMAO.... "Y'all, we broke" is facts with the MTA right now. My bad.

Regarding BMT City Hall's lower level, I've always wondered about it myself- didn't some BMT Broadway trains go in and out of service at Canal Street in the '90s? Used to see trains laid up on the center tracks between the two stations all the time back in 1999-2000.

Thread merge? Seem to go hand-in-hand with each other.

Trump, Cuomo and DeBlasio are the last people I'd want leading things in a crisis. Their egos will not do us any good.

THIS. What I still can't get over is how took the already-built provisions for the eastern exit at Third Avenue and destroyed them to make 3rd/63rd elevator only. Since opening, there's been a few times when more than one of those elevators was out of service; makes trying to get to or from the platform a nightmare. Time spent waiting could've been spent taking the escalators or the stairs... oh wait that's right, they f**king demolished them...

Tried to post an image from nycsubway.org to the nostalgia thread in Subway Photos and Videos today for discussion of some old train features, but it didn't format properly: Video links seem to embed fine (when I tried it a few years ago anyway), but I can't get images to embed. And when I click "Insert Image from URL" and put in the URL, it won't let me (box turns reddish-pink color). Anyone have any ideas how I can overcome this? Is it an issue with my account, or do I need to use a particular code or format like [/IMG] ?

Figured this would be the best place to focus on some interesting stuff I found in old photos recently added to nycsubway.org by Nicholas Fabrizio:

Not true- the right of way does have room for a second track. After all, it was built as two tracks originally. Theoretically, all stations could be extended to some new length; the larger hurdle to overcome would be the modifications done to the line after the 1998 rebuild. The southbound track/portal/platform have been regularly used for non-revenue moves, and could still be theoretically used for passenger moves- not sure where you got the information about a Malbone Street "ban". Possible, maybe feasible, but probably not worth it unless Franklin Avenue was tied into a new route at the north end; perhaps Crosstown, South 4th Street, to the express tail tracks at 2nd Avenue-Houston Street station... but I wouldn't count on the MTA to build something like that, at least not in this century.

Regarding the last part- it's because some people on these boards nowadays (not you man) think they know everything and everyone else is wrong. The real irony is that a lot of the real experts and/or voices of reason have basically disappeared. But again I digress....

Still, it would be better to have a system where they don't have to appease jerk-off politicians in the first place. A 55-year-old train is better than no train. But since voters were either apathetic or just plain dumb enough to give Cuomo Jr. a third term, them I guess the people of New York get exactly what they deserve...

Nice to see them end on the instead of the /, some variety for a change. Although I'll always remember the R42s from growing up on the and back in the day...

At this rate, I don't blame anyone for wanting to jump ship; for me the time came when I realized being New York born-and-raised meant nothing without cold, hard cash.

That photo of Byford... did he actually operate the train as a conductor, or was that just a photo-op?