asidrane Posted January 28, 2010 Share #1 Posted January 28, 2010 I know there are bidirectional express tracks that are unused on the F and some other lines. I was just curious why these tracks are no longer used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmech Posted January 28, 2010 Share #2 Posted January 28, 2010 I know there are bidirectional express tracks that are unused on the F and some other lines. I was just curious why these tracks are no longer used. Mostly cost reasons, or because using them would just apply more pressure at bottlenecks further along the route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asidrane Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share #3 Posted January 28, 2010 Mostly cost reasons, or because using them would just apply more pressure at bottlenecks further along the route. Makes sense. I should have figured that cost would come into play. I feel like all moves the MTA makes are about 95% monetarily driven. The tracks on the F look like they are really in bad shape. Could they even be used anymore if the MTA wanted to? What about the other tracks throughout the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted January 29, 2010 Share #4 Posted January 29, 2010 The from what I've read ran as Culver Express at one point, but was discontinued because local riders wanted direct access to Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapid Transit TO Posted January 30, 2010 Share #5 Posted January 30, 2010 The culver middle track can be used anytime it is needed, as long as it's not out of service for some repair. I worked an interval that was usually running late, usually from a delay in the middle, and we went express quite often to KHWY.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted January 30, 2010 Share #6 Posted January 30, 2010 I once went on a CI-bound that was late and it ran exp on the local track from I guess 7 Avenue (where I got on) to Kings Highway. It did not use the middle track, although I did not see any reason (like a work train) for it to be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 30, 2010 Share #7 Posted January 30, 2010 A couple of years ago I got to ride the express run from Jay St to 7th Av due to a GO. I finally got to see Bergen St lower level for the first time ever and I don't see how that can ever be reopened for service as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 30, 2010 Share #8 Posted January 30, 2010 A couple of years ago I got to ride the express run from Jay St to 7th Av due to a GO. I finally got to see Bergen St lower level for the first time ever and I don't see how that can ever be reopened for service as it is. The lower level needs to be cleaned and tiled. It is a lot cleaner then it used to be though, I remember one time they had what looked like rooms on the platform but they have since been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 30, 2010 Share #9 Posted January 30, 2010 Interesting. So if it was given a scrub down and retiled, it is possible to reopen those platforms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 30, 2010 Share #10 Posted January 30, 2010 Interesting. So if it was given a scrub down and retiled, it is possible to reopen those platforms? I think so, but I also remember hearing that because of the fire at Bergen Interlocking back in the late 90's and because of the station renovation, that there was something wrong with the lower level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 30, 2010 Share #11 Posted January 30, 2010 Interesting, thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 30, 2010 Share #12 Posted January 30, 2010 I think so, but I also remember hearing that because of the fire at Bergen Interlocking back in the late 90's and because of the station renovation, that there was something wrong with the lower level. You mean it's got cooties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 30, 2010 Share #13 Posted January 30, 2010 You mean it's got cooties? Something like that, but it stays with you for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 30, 2010 Share #14 Posted January 30, 2010 Something like that, but it stays with you for life. Sounds like something one might catch if they hang around Marcy for too long... Besides, I thought the motto was "once taken out of service, never put back in"; going by that alone i'd say it's highly unlikely we'll see Bergen Lower in service again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmech Posted January 30, 2010 Share #15 Posted January 30, 2010 I think so, but I also remember hearing that because of the fire at Bergen Interlocking back in the late 90's and because of the station renovation, that there was something wrong with the lower level. What's wrong is they need remove the barriers to going down there, retile it, and start using it in regular service. Oh, and set Bergen interlocking back up how it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted January 30, 2010 Share #16 Posted January 30, 2010 Sounds like something one might catch if they hang around Marcy for too long... Besides, I thought the motto was "once taken out of service, never put back in"; going by that alone i'd say it's highly unlikely we'll see Bergen Lower in service again. In MTA capitol plan, The lower level is slanted for reopening in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmech Posted January 30, 2010 Share #17 Posted January 30, 2010 There's also the fact that now the is a permanent fixture on the from Bergen to Church, so the can use Bergen Lower and the express tracks now reasonably, with the as local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 30, 2010 Share #18 Posted January 30, 2010 They still need the F as a local so the Park Slope crowds don't cry foul. So if anything they'll need the split as a local and express. Had the - been an orange M, they could've recycled the designation for the express and have the express [the ] skip the park slope stops and go to CI while the would stay a local, but end at Church with the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted January 30, 2010 Share #19 Posted January 30, 2010 There's also the fact that now the is a permanent fixture on the from Bergen to Church, so the can use Bergen Lower and the express tracks now reasonably, with the as local. Park Slope riders will not be happy with only the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapid Transit TO Posted January 31, 2010 Share #20 Posted January 31, 2010 Besides, I thought the motto was "once taken out of service, never put back in"; going by that alone i'd say it's highly unlikely we'll see Bergen Lower in service again. I believe they probably said the same about the Chrystie Cut years ago as well.. Never say never.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmech Posted January 31, 2010 Share #21 Posted January 31, 2010 Park Slope riders will not be happy with only the The would have to run on local only no matter what, and yeah, they'd probably make up a all-times-except-late-nights train to replace locals. The way the the express tracks actually work is pretty interesting though. Between 7th Avenue and Fort Hamilton Parkway, the express tracks cut straight between the two stations while the local tracks turn to go to 15 St-Prospect Park and then turn again to go to Fort Hamilton Parkway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 31, 2010 Share #22 Posted January 31, 2010 As I said, the F at best needs to be split as both a local and express if they are to run an express up to Church av. G should still run 24/7 to Chruch though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 31, 2010 Share #23 Posted January 31, 2010 There are some trains that begin and end their runs at Kings Highway during rush hours. trains that operate local could use the upper level and terminate at Kings Highway; trains that operate express will use the lower level, use the middle track during peak hours, and operate local after Kings Highway to Coney Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nel070 Posted February 1, 2010 Share #24 Posted February 1, 2010 The culver middle track can be used anytime it is needed, as long as it's not out of service for some repair. I worked an interval that was usually running late, usually from a delay in the middle, and we went express quite often to KHWY.. Dont they used the express track between avenue x and kings highway on the for the kings highway put ins during the pm rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asidrane Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share #25 Posted February 1, 2010 Park Slope riders will not be happy with only the If the F ran express and the Bergen lower was opened, it would stop at Jay, Bergen then 7th ave. How exactly would this leave Park Slope riders with only the G and leave them unhappy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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