Harry Posted March 18, 2010 Share #1 Posted March 18, 2010 Fare-beating is rampant in the subways, but police enforcement has been declining, NYPD statistics reveal. Police ticketed or arrested about 87,000 riders who jumped turnstiles or entered through emergency exits last year, the lowest number cited in five years, the data show. The Daily News on Tuesday reported that a new NYC Transit analysis estimates 19 million riders are beating the fare annually - much higher than previous estimates of about 5 million. The Metropolitan Transportation Authority said that transit officials "continue to work with the NYPD on cost-effective strategies such as targeting high-incidence locations and placing cameras in key areas." Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/17/2010-03-17_enforcements_down_as_farebeating_grows.html#ixzz0iXG2FQlu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 18, 2010 Share #2 Posted March 18, 2010 "Make patrol the backbone of the department again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted March 18, 2010 Share #3 Posted March 18, 2010 Make those mopes pay more if they choose to jump the turnstile. Double the fine to $225, that's 100 times the fare. And currently, kids who aren't 16 get away with it, lower the age to 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 18, 2010 Share #4 Posted March 18, 2010 Make those mopes pay more if they choose to jump the turnstile. Double the fine to $225, that's 100 times the fare. A lot of these degenerates are on food stamps (save your gasps of surprise for later); all they have to do is show their EBT card at the hearing and it gets dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted March 18, 2010 Share #5 Posted March 18, 2010 "Make patrol the backbone of the department again." You mean no more impact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted March 18, 2010 Share #6 Posted March 18, 2010 $225 fine for fare beating if you're over 18. Mandatory 2 year "probation" period afterwards where if you do it again, you are arrested and fined $500. $125 fine for fare beating if you're under 18. Mandatory 2 year "probation" period afterwards where if you do it again, it goes on your permanent record and the fine is doubled to $250. A third offense results in a $500 fine, and each time the fine just doubles. Let's see how bad mommy and daddy whoop that ass at home if they keep paying fines for junior, hell no arrests necessary... Give the law some balls again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted March 18, 2010 Share #7 Posted March 18, 2010 Having one officer at every station will do nothing to stop this if they keep those damn emergency exit gates. Unless we have had some scientific breakthroughs recently, people can on be in one place at a time. My station, 15th Street Prospect Park, has 4 of these gates. Only 1 is positioned so that an officer can watch the turnstiles and the gate. I see it every day, the kids from Bishop Ford will walk an extra block just to use the gates that are never covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted March 18, 2010 Share #8 Posted March 18, 2010 I think they just aren't patrolling the right stations. Go to some of the ones out in the Rock, even here at Rector St or something. They'll find more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted March 18, 2010 Share #9 Posted March 18, 2010 They need more undercovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nel070 Posted March 18, 2010 Share #10 Posted March 18, 2010 Many Police are to busy harrassing or racial profiling on a stop and frisk to actually catch fare-beaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 18, 2010 Share #11 Posted March 18, 2010 Many Police are to busy harrassing or racial profiling on a stop and frisk to actually catch fare-beaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 19, 2010 Share #12 Posted March 19, 2010 And people are bi9ching about service cuts/fare hike but CANT look at the fact that most of em are fare beating?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 19, 2010 Share #13 Posted March 19, 2010 Time to reorganize the New York City Transit Police. Transit didn't play around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queens Surface Posted March 19, 2010 Share #14 Posted March 19, 2010 Put cameras at the Emergency Exits or install HEETs that people can only exit from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 19, 2010 Share #15 Posted March 19, 2010 Put cameras at the Emergency Exits or install HEETs that people can only exit from. Cameras aint gonna do anything unless its monitored by a cop. If its just recording a fare beater ill cover up his or her face and just ride free. Ive seen it before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted March 19, 2010 Share #16 Posted March 19, 2010 I think it can decrease, but not stop entirely. There is always going to be someone that tries to beat the fare whether that person get caught or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 19, 2010 Share #17 Posted March 19, 2010 Cameras aint gonna do anything unless its monitored by a cop. Not even! A camera period won't stop a lot of these people; hell i've seen them walk in the EE even though there was a cop nearby. I've also heard many stories about undercovers busting turnstile jumpers, but those are stories for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Bus Posted March 19, 2010 Share #18 Posted March 19, 2010 Fill the top part of the turnstile which is supose to stop fare beaters with electricity. The station agent should also be able to go out there & taze them, fill the emergency exit with deadly electricity or something:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted March 19, 2010 Share #19 Posted March 19, 2010 Fill the top part of the turnstile which is supose to stop fare beaters with electricity. Wait, then what about the ones who swipe their card? Are they gonna suffer an electric shock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted March 19, 2010 Share #20 Posted March 19, 2010 Wait, then what about the ones who swipe their card? Are they gonna suffer an electric shock? Maybe it ill cut off when u swipe, then after 3 sec it ill set back on ! But i dont like the idea cuz then people ill sue the t/a for causing health issues.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Bus Posted March 19, 2010 Share #21 Posted March 19, 2010 Wait, then what about the ones who swipe their card? Are they gonna suffer an electric shock? Yes & remember that this is a deadly budget plan but no worries, I'm sure there is plenty of room in the underground lost & found:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted March 19, 2010 Share #22 Posted March 19, 2010 A lot of these degenerates are on food stamps (save your gasps of surprise for later); all they have to do is show their EBT card at the hearing and it gets dismissed. Wow...that's a shocker. Still, they need to pay the price someway, somehow. If they don't have the money to ride the system, then how in the hell do they think that they'll have the money to pay a fine? Having one officer at every station will do nothing to stop this if they keep those damn emergency exit gates. Unless we have had some scientific breakthroughs recently, people can on be in one place at a time. My station, 15th Street Prospect Park, has 4 of these gates. Only 1 is positioned so that an officer can watch the turnstiles and the gate. I see it every day, the kids from Bishop Ford will walk an extra block just to use the gates that are never covered. I was at 15th Street the other day myself...kinda difficult to man with so many gates as you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted March 19, 2010 Share #23 Posted March 19, 2010 If they don't have the money to ride the system, then how in the hell do they think that they'll have the money to pay a fine? I don't have any answers to that, but I do have similar question: how do people in the projects afford "Beamer, Benz, Bentley?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Bus Posted March 19, 2010 Share #24 Posted March 19, 2010 Maybe it ill cut off when u swipe, then after 3 sec it ill set back on ! But i dont like the idea cuz then people ill sue the t/a for causing health issues.. The station agent is the one who turns the deadly electricity on. All victims will be put on a CNG bus for 24 hours before being cremated:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted March 19, 2010 Share #25 Posted March 19, 2010 I don't have any answers to that, but I do have similar question: how do people in the projects afford "Beamer, Benz, Bentley?" IDk but it's very tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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