NYC Subway Fantasy Map Collaboration

[Baseball02]

It's a collaboration of the Subway Map!

Post what lines you think should be added, taken away, extended, or reduced.

The map so far, with my contributions:

 

Here's my contributions:

Express between 135 St and 242 St Rush Hours

(2)/(5) Extended to Kings Plaza

Extended to 155 Street.

Extended to To Co-Op City

Extended to Francis Lewis Blvd. Express trains now stop at Jackson Heights. Express trains stop at Citi Field (Shea Stadium) Game Days Only.

Is no longer split (Except for Rush Hours when it goes to Lefferts)

To Yankee Stadium on Game Days Only. Normal Service all other times. (Should this be the A or the C?)

Extened to Gun Hill Rd and meets up with the T.

Rush Hour Super-Express trains in Queens. F is also extended to 206 St - Francis Lewis Blvd. (On weekends, the line ends at Jamaica/179th)

Broad Channel to Rockaway on Weekends. N Conduit Av to Rockaway Rush Hours (To Avoid Track Overload). Ozone/Lefferts to Rockaway Park all other times.

Gun Hill Road to South Ferry/Whitehall St

(U) 125th/Lex to Brighton. (Hmm... do you think think there may be track overload if it is routed this way? Do you think it sohuld be routed with a different route in Brooklyn?)

Brought back, but goes to 125th and Lex instead. (Do you think that the Q go to 125th/Lex, The W to Astoria, and the N made Express instead?)

 

The 11 Av station is supposed to say 10 Av. Sorry about that.

[NX Express]

The U would totally overload Dekalb Junction.

The W should not go up SAS, 2 Av needs more service there IMO.

The <1> should go to 242, local after 215. The should go to 215 only (or choose some other station for the local terminal)

[Law]

It's a collaboration of the Subway Map!

Post what lines you think should be added, taken away, extended, or reduced.

The map so far, with my contributions:

 

Here's my contributions:

Express between 135 St and 242 St Rush Hours

(2)/(5) Extended to Kings Plaza

Extended to 155 Street.

Extended to To Co-Op City

Extended to Francis Lewis Blvd. Express trains now stop at Jackson Heights. Express trains stop at Citi Field (Shea Stadium) Game Days Only.

Is no longer split (Except for Rush Hours when it goes to Lefferts)

To Yankee Stadium on Game Days Only. Normal Service all other times. (Should this be the A or the C?)

Extened to Gun Hill Rd and meets up with the T.

Rush Hour Super-Express trains in Queens. F is also extended to 206 St - Francis Lewis Blvd. (On weekends, the line ends at Jamaica/179th)

Broad Channel to Rockaway on Weekends. N Conduit Av to Rockaway Rush Hours (To Avoid Track Overload). Ozone/Lefferts to Rockaway Park all other times.

Gun Hill Road to South Ferry/Whitehall St

(U) 125th/Lex to Brighton. (Hmm... do you think think there may be track overload if it is routed this way? Do you think it sohuld be routed with a different route in Brooklyn?)

Brought back, but goes to 125th and Lex instead. (Do you think that the Q go to 125th/Lex, The W to Astoria, and the N made Express instead?)

 

The 11 Av station is supposed to say 10 Av. Sorry about that.

 

IMO, there is no need for a <1>, its good enough now.

I don't think its possible to extend the beyond the yard.

There is no need for an additional train on the Brighton.

going to 2nd av and (N)/(Q) going to Astoria would chaos havoc at the switch junctions (34th St)

[Baseball02]

Ok Updated Map:

<1> Eliminated

Cut back to Lenox/148 St

is made Express

(Q)/(W) Switch Northern termini.

(U) Eliminated

[E Local]

Ok Updated Map:

<1> Eliminated

Cut back to Lenox/148 St

is made Express

(Q)/(W) Switch Northern termini.

(U) Eliminated

 

Much better

[NX Express]

Does the W stop at 14 St?

The D should go to Co-op City.

The 2 5 turn the wrong way after Bk Coll.

[Baseball02]

Version 3:

(D)/(T) Extended to Co-Op City

[Q43 Floral Park]

Just my 2 cents:

 

I was actually going say you could leave the 1 express in because if you ask anyone that commutes from north of 181 thats a long and slow ride (and the changing for the sometimes makes it worse). Just make it local 242-dyckman, have Dyckman as an express stop (island platforms with locals ending here ala Parkchester)

 

If you look at google maps you'll see that the Seymour Av(5) stop is extremely close to Eastchester Rd so you would do better to put a station East of Seymour Av with a connection to the at the westbound end, east exit at Eastchester and call it Eastchester Rd-Seymour Av.

 

You could route the up the line in the Bronx so you have more service to the stadium and have one run express in the Bx to Woodlawn, the other turn at BPB. Turning the C there would get messy.

 

Queens wise why not extend the go to Springfield?

[Alargule]

Version 3:

(D)/(T) Extended to Co-Op City

 

Okay:

 

 

• Extend the to Staten Island to connect to the SIR;

• Extend the to the west along 125 St;

• Extend the to Javits Ctr so it can connect to the ;

• Connect the to the at Chambers St/WTC, effectively creating a Downtown Loop line;

• Extend the from Utica Av as express-bypass along the to East New York and further east to Howard Beach where it can connect to the AirTrain (no track connection, though!);

• Extend the (J)/(Z) down to Stillwell Ave to take over the former route of the (Mx)

 

[Guest lance25]

Okay:

 

 

• Extend the to Staten Island to connect to the SIR;

• Extend the to the west along 125 St;

• Extend the to Javits Ctr so it can connect to the ;

• Connect the to the at Chambers St/WTC, effectively creating a Downtown Loop line;

• Extend the from Utica Av as express-bypass along the to East New York and further east to Howard Beach where it can connect to the AirTrain (no track connection, though!);

• Extend the (J)/(Z) down to Stillwell Ave to take over the former route of the (Mx)

 

 

My response:

 

• Why should the be extended into Staten Island. It would take just as long to get there via train as it would via ferry.

• Building a line under lower Manhattan would be nearly impossible. Also, the World Trade Center station abuts the Broadway line if I'm not mistaken, and even if it doesn't, the WTC site is directly in front of the tracks.

• Stillwell cannot handle that many lines terminating there unless the station was completely rebuilt again.

 

I like the extension, but I'm unsure about the to Howard Beach.

[Alargule]

Hmmm...I was under the impression that this was a Fantasy Map topic...my mistake! B)

[Guest lance25]

And I thought there would be some realism with our ideas, but whatever...

[Baseball02]

Version 4:

<1> Restored but making all local stops north of 207th Street (I can't make the 1 Express south of 103rd Street becuase it would overload the express tracks!)

Extended to Jacob Javits Center (Transfer Available to the )

 

Should the <1> skip 215th St?

[Q43 Floral Park]

It needs to stop at Dyckman as thats more of a major stop than 207, as for 215 might as well stop there instead of doing a skip stop pattern

[Law]

Version 4:

<1> Restored but making all local stops north of 207th Street (I can't make the 1 Express south of 103rd Street becuase it would overload the express tracks!)

Extended to Jacob Javits Center (Transfer Available to the )

 

Should the <1> skip 215th St?

 

I just noticed that you have the going on the 59th st line, it should be using the 63rd st line

[Broadway Local]

Eliminated either 175th Street or Tremont Avenue. Tremont Avenue is also East 177th Street. And between 175th Street and Tremont Avenue was ridiculous. If you don't believe me, go to google maps.

[Alargule]

And I thought there would be some realism with our ideas, but whatever...

 

As I said, my mistake. I really thought this was a fantasy thread. I should have read the title and opening post more carefully.

 

Anyway, which of my suggestions passed the scrutiny test? B)

[Guest lance25]

@Alargule: Since you asked:

 

• Like I said, it wouldn't make any sense to send the to Staten Island because the trains can't run any faster under the harbor than the ferry could over it. Plus the tunnel would have to be around five miles long to get from one island to the other.
  
• In order to bring the to the World Trade Center, lower Manhattan would have to be nearly rebuilt. Plus, with all the subway lines running north-south routes there, it would be almost impossible to have a line cross the others.
  
• Concerning the (J)/(Z) to Coney Island via West End: If the line was fairly content with just one line, why would it need three of them?
  

 

 

Like I said before, I like the extension to the Javits Center, as it gives riders easy access to the Javits Center, as well as the line. I also like the via 125th Street because it would reduce the number of people on the crosstown buses in Harlem.

 

Now before anyone says that I'm against fantasy maps, I'm not. I just feel that even though it is one, it should make some sense. I guess I'm just tired of seeing the same ideas pitched ad nauseam even if they've been proven to be impractical. New York City is a big place and large chunks of it are transit deficient. Just look at where some of the lines terminate in real life.

[Alargule]

Then you should start a 'what would be realistic additions to the current subway network?'-thread. I can appreciate your frustration; I'm afraid though that you're just venting it in the wrong thread.

 

The whole concept of 'fantasy' has at its core that you can do away with real-life restrictions like the ones you described. Hell, a fantasy map could even be a complete redrawing of the subway network.

[Guest lance25]

Just because it's a fantasy map, it doesn't mean throw logic and common sense out the window.

[Baseball02]

No one has added a new line yet... I would like to see a good idea of a line that could be added.

[IRT Bronx Express]

You can extend the 3 to Riverdale. I have a diagram in my docs if you want to see what I mean by that.

[TwoTimer]

You can extend the 3 to Riverdale. I have a diagram in my docs if you want to see what I mean by that.

 

Is that fantasy or quasi-reality (which in essense is logical fantasy)? The only issue with that is that the gets there quicker. The idea of lines running crosstown (F/N/R/Q comes to mind) then going back to the east side to get to Brooklyn works farther downtown since transfers are not right across the platform. Actual Riverdale is perched up on a hill (not the piece down the hill by the park), its difficult to get a tunnel up there, and structure is nimbyish. Also, the will get up there quicker anyway, and unlike further downtown, its a cross-platform transfer.

[TwoTimer]

You can extend the 3 to Riverdale. I have a diagram in my docs if you want to see what I mean by that.

 

Is that fantasy or quasi-reality (which in essense is logical fantasy)? The only issue with that is that the gets there quicker. The idea of lines running crosstown (F/N/R/Q comes to mind) then going back to the east side to get to Brooklyn works farther downtown since transfers are not right across the platform. Actual Riverdale is perched up on a hill (not the piece down the hill by the park), its difficult to get a tunnel up there, and structure is nimbyish. Also, the will get up there quicker anyway, and unlike further downtown, its a cross-platform transfer. Really, train expansion in the Bronx unless you're talking about bringing something to Co-op or putting a rail line in the vicinity of the Bx15/55 is unnecessary.

 

Im not anti-fantasy either, but I'm in the boat that it has to at least make ridership sense (I'm not going to go down the money route cause that's laden with thorns lol).

[Roadcruiser1]

Actually sending the along with the to Riverdale is useless. You would be sending the on a sharp U turn to run along with the . That won't save time. It would be pratically useless to do it and people would spill into the other lines nearby. So it would be useless.