M.T.A. Stealthily Renames Station At Major Manhattan Hub

[EE Broadway Local]

:confused: Broadway-Nassau Street or "Fulton Street"; Lawrence Street or "Jay Street-Metrotech"; Broadway-East New York or "Broadway Junction"; Eastern Parkway or "Broadway Junction"?

 

"Dude, Where's My Station?!"

 

Story from AMNY: http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/mta=stalthily-renames-manhattan-station-at-major-hub-1.2548367

[Guest lance25]

At Fulton St (formerly Broadway-Nassau St), the writing was literally on the wall for this change. I mean if they didn't see them changing the sign tiles over the past few weeks and months, they clearly weren't paying attention.

 

As for Jay St-MetroTech, the could've handled that better. I understand that the paper maps are only updated at certain times of the year, but what's stopping them from updating the online map. Also, the FINDs on the (and currently the ) still show the old stations without the new transfers. What part of Flexible don't these people get? Obviously if they can program the FINDs to not show the until the service changes went into effect last June, they could've programmed this new addition.

[NX Express]

The online map has just been updated! It features the Jay St station at the intersection of the lines!

[EE Broadway Local]

The individual subway line maps have also been updated:

 

The has: Fulton Street/Broadway-Nassau Street/William Street

and "Broadway Junction" (East New York)/Fulton Street

 

Line Map: http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/aline.htm

 

The has same

 

Line Map: http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/cline.htm

 

The has "Broadway Junction" (Eastern Parkway)

 

Line Map: http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/jline.htm

Line Map: http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/zline.htm

 

The Line has: "Broadway Junction" (Fulton Street)

 

Line Map: http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/lline.htm

[Kamen Rider]

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[BroadwayBuffer]

As for Jay St-MetroTech, the could've handled that better. I understand that the paper maps are only updated at certain times of the year, but what's stopping them from updating the online map. Also, the FINDs on the (and currently the ) still show the old stations without the new transfers. What part of Flexible don't these people get? Obviously if they can program the FINDs to not show the until the service changes went into effect last June, they could've programmed this new addition.

 

There were some reports from the media claiming that the transfer was opened ahead of schedule. If true, that could be reason for not having the FINDs and other maps updated in time. The capability exists to program them to go into effect at a certain time and this could have happened if there was enough time and cooperation between the parties involved. First getting the changes added to the official matrix of announcements ... then hoping that Car Equipment programs all of them in correctly. There are still a number of errors from the June 27th changes which have yet to be corrected. The FIND is anything but flexible, and there will have to be some consideration for creating an easier way to update and override these signs in the future. The process to make changes for the long-term is too long with too many people involved. They're also not good for GOs when they display transfers regardless of whether the line is actually running.

[Urbanfortitude]

I'm glad its Fulton St. now. Never understood the point of platform having a different station name from the rest of the hub.

[Trainmaster5]

I'm glad its Fulton St. now. Never understood the point of platform having a different station name from the rest of the hub.

 

The trains stop at a platform located directly under Fulton St. One end is at Broadway and the other end is at Nassau , hence the name. The same trains run under Fulton St, Brooklyn, from Broadway-East New York to Lafayette Avenue. Are you saying those 9 stops should also be called Fulton St ? Back in the day the conductors on the IND would actually announce the stop as " Broadway-Nassau, Fulton St " and call out the transfers but this wasn't by the book. No matter how the spins it the correct name for the IND platform IS Broadway-Nassau, otherwise the naming scheme for most of the other stations in the system would be rendered incorrect.

[Mark 1]

Renaming Lawrence St to Jay St was unnecessary in my opinion but this is the way the MTA is going these days with station complexes. They could have just left the Metro Tech designation with Lawrence like they did for years. On renaming Broadway-Nassau, even though this renaming wasn't exactly needed either, this one works a little better because all of the other stations are at Fulton St.

[Far Rock Depot]

Renaming Lawrence St to Jay St was unnecessary in my opinion but this is the way the MTA is going these days with station complexes. They could have just left the Metro Tech designation with Lawrence like they did for years. On renaming Broadway-Nassau, even though this renaming wasn't exactly needed either, this one works a little better because all of the other stations are at Fulton St.

 

i think the rename is good. "Jay St-Boro Hall" on the IND part is kinda outdated since its a few blocks away. Given its location at MetroTech, its gives an "update" of the station describing the surrounding area. And for the BMT station, people will now know that yes, its also where the A.C and F stop at.

[BJSm]

The trains stop at a platform located directly under Fulton St. One end is at Broadway and the other end is at Nassau , hence the name. The same trains run under Fulton St, Brooklyn, from Broadway-East New York to Lafayette Avenue. Are you saying those 9 stops should also be called Fulton St ? Back in the day the conductors on the IND would actually announce the stop as " Broadway-Nassau, Fulton St " and call out the transfers but this wasn't by the book. No matter how the spins it the correct name for the IND platform IS Broadway-Nassau, otherwise the naming scheme for most of the other stations in the system would be rendered incorrect.

 

Okay, what about Clark St on the ? Equally scandalous?

[TwoTimer]

Okay, what about Clark St on the ? Equally scandalous?

 

What about it? It's the only station in that neighborhood, all the other services are in tubes (in fact that station is ALSO in a tube they just carved a station out of it lol)

[BJSm]

What about it? It's the only station in that neighborhood, all the other services are in tubes (in fact that station is ALSO in a tube they just carved a station out of it lol)

 

The line runs under Clark St. So it's just as much a violation of the rules as Fulton St on the would be, according to you. Should be Henry St if your too-strict rules actually applied.

 

Or what about Northern Boulevard on the ? Also a violation, as the stop under Northern Blvd at 36th St and Queens Plaza as well. Should be 54th St on your rules.

 

Also, Liberty Ave on the (when running local). Another violation; the stops above Liberty Ave at six total other stops. And Smith-9th on the . They stop under Smith St again at Carroll St and a third time at Bergen St. Jay St on the ? It stops under Jay St again at York St.

[LRG]

Also, Liberty Ave on the (when running local). Another violation; the stops above Liberty Ave at six total other stops. And Smith-9th on the . They stop under Smith St again at Carroll St and a third time at Bergen St. Jay St on the ? It stops under Jay St again at York St.

 

Smith and Ninth is named so because it stops at the corner of where the station's entrance is located. You can't have it any other way.

[4P3607]

you know what they still have on the site?

 

The & lines. note the @ 34 Street-6 Avenue still with the (Q6Av).

NOTE: click on the & to see the routes!

[BJSm]

Smith and Ninth is named so because it stops at the corner of where the station's entrance is located. You can't have it any other way.

 

Except it isn't even at the corner. The stop is above 9th St a fair distance from Smith St. Might as well call it "Gowanus Canal".

 

Not saying the name of Smith-9th should be changed (I don't think it should be), just pointing out that the whining is baseless. Names are necessarily haphazard and should not follow some bizarre formula.

[EE Broadway Local]

When you talk about Smith-Ninth Streets, keep in mind that the Culver Viaduct curves from Smith Street to Ninth Street and that the station entrance was placed on Ninth Street as close to Smith Street as possible without the station being on the curve.

 

I'm not sure how to post a Google StreetView Image here at NYC Transit Forums or I'd post the StreetView image of the entrance of Smith-Ninth Streets next door to the Luncheonette (which has the address 7 Ninth Street). To be technical, the Smith--9th st. Grocery Deli next door isn't exactly at the corner of Smith and Ninth Streets, either - there's a small red brick building next to it.