mark1447 Posted July 9, 2011 Share #1 Posted July 9, 2011 Westchester County is rehabilitating its elongated buses — the ones with the accordion section in the middle — to stretch their life five years or so. The over $10 million project is intended to overhaul the 78 vehicles, called articulated buses, that are the workhorses of the Bee-Line bus system. With an average of 500,000 miles on each, the buses are "getting tired," said Richard Stiller, director of surface transportation with the county's Public Works and Transportation Department. Operating in the lower part of the county, the buses take the busiest runs and the busiest times, carrying more than 33,000 passengers a day. That amounts to about 29 percent of the overall daily ridership, while the buses make up about 22 percent of the total fleet. "I generally refer to them as the backbone of the fleet," Stiller said. But wrangling in Washington over the federal budget could make the renovation project more difficult to complete. The Department of Public Works and Transportation has $4.5 million — almost half the $10 million needed — saved when buses in recent years were purchased at lower cost than expected, Stiller said. County transportation officials will have to look for the additional $5.5 million to finish the job. The county receives about $9.5 million a year in federal aid to fund many things, such as mechanics' salaries and new bus shelters. More: http://www.lohud.com/article/20110708/NEWS02/107080339/Westchester-plans-overhaul-tired-accordion-buses?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Westchester%20County,%20New%20York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted July 9, 2011 Share #2 Posted July 9, 2011 They can't just purchase new buses, like the Nova LFSA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineerboy6561 Posted July 9, 2011 Share #3 Posted July 9, 2011 They can't just purchase new buses, like the Nova LFSA? Judging by this article I doubt they can afford to; the Feds will kick in to replace buses that are 12-plus years old, but not before. The buses are only 9-10 years old, so they wouldn't be eligible for replacement funds until 2013-2014. Our order of LFSAs is costing us $600-650,000 per bus, and their order would likely be no bigger than our original order. These buses cost $475,000 apiece new, and if they were resold as used would probably only fetch $300,000 or less each, leaving a gap of at least $300,000 (almost half the purchase price) per new Nova. Given that they only have half the funds in place for a $135,000 per bus rehab program I doubt that replacement is an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted July 9, 2011 Share #4 Posted July 9, 2011 They can't just purchase new buses, like the Nova LFSA? Not old enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akamtabx36 Posted July 9, 2011 Share #5 Posted July 9, 2011 They can't just purchase new buses, like the Nova LFSA? that would be epic tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted July 9, 2011 Share #6 Posted July 9, 2011 Ah the Bee-Line are finally trying to catch up to SEPTA with their Neos. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeLine256 Posted July 9, 2011 Share #7 Posted July 9, 2011 i think this is good move they are going to save money and do you think the rebuilt engines are going to be 2010 EPA diesel emission standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted July 9, 2011 Share #8 Posted July 9, 2011 You will see many transit agencies down the road rebuild buses to save money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeLine256 Posted July 9, 2011 Share #9 Posted July 9, 2011 were are they going to do this work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted July 14, 2011 Share #10 Posted July 14, 2011 This is Interesting the Bee's Artics don't even look that old for their age whatsoever whatever rehab they get would probably be worth it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted July 16, 2011 Share #11 Posted July 16, 2011 This is Interesting the Bee's Artics don't even look that old for their age whatsoever whatever rehab they get would probably be worth it though. The articulated joint is weak, the motors are not putting out as mush horses as they use too, the wheelchair ramp constantly fails, and the lights in some buses are extremely too dim compared to the NABIs, and Orions. Beeline does do a good job with keeping them spotless tho hence why they don't look their age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted July 16, 2011 Share #12 Posted July 16, 2011 The articulated joint is weak, the motors are not putting out as mush horses as they use too, the wheelchair ramp constantly fails, and the lights in some buses are extremely too dim compared to the NABIs, and Orions. Beeline does do a good job with keeping them spotless tho hence why they don't look their age. Those Neoplans had issues when they first came in. I remember riding them regularly on the 45 and the 60 in 2005 and theyd squeak as much as a bus three times their age. I also recall a few fires if I'm not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodciti Posted July 20, 2011 Share #13 Posted July 20, 2011 those artics are squeaky but they look good. I always thought beeline should have purchased New Flyer D60's instead of the Neoplans. An overhaul is need. Better to keep the high floor neo's then get new-gen low floor artics. The MTA should rehab some the D60's. They hold way more passengers comfortably then the Novas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 20, 2011 Share #14 Posted July 20, 2011 i think this is good move they are going to save money and do you think the rebuilt engines are going to be 2010 EPA diesel emission standards. No. It's just a rebuild, not a new engine. New power plants would have to be purchase to bring to bus to EPA10 standards, and BeeLine doesn't have money for that. EPA10 engines run $50k brand new. EPA07 rebuilds/new engines are even pushing $40k still. The engine is the single most expensive component on a bus. those artics are squeaky but they look good. I always thought beeline should have purchased New Flyer D60's instead of the Neoplans. An overhaul is need. Better to keep the high floor neo's then get new-gen low floor artics. The MTA should rehab some the D60's. They hold way more passengers comfortably then the Novas. They are rehabbing some of the newer D60's to extend the life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoodciti Posted July 20, 2011 Share #15 Posted July 20, 2011 They are rehabbing some of the newer D60's to extend the life. That's good to hear. I've become very fond to the D60's since I first saw one being tested on the Bx5 in 96'. i think BeeLine256 means are they rebuilding the engines with the rest of the bus. I imagine they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeLine256 Posted July 20, 2011 Share #16 Posted July 20, 2011 That's good to hear. I've become very fond to the D60's since I first saw one being tested on the Bx5 in 96'. i think BeeLine256 means are they rebuilding the engines with the rest of the bus. I imagine they are. yeah thats what i meant and dose bee line run on clean diesel fuel or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeLine256 Posted August 8, 2011 Share #17 Posted August 8, 2011 if they are going to rebuild the engine do you think they will put a jake break on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted August 8, 2011 Share #18 Posted August 8, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeLine256 Posted August 9, 2011 Share #19 Posted August 9, 2011 yeah but the jake breaks help slow down the buses faster and less wear and tear on the main breaks and more long lasting breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted August 9, 2011 Share #20 Posted August 9, 2011 This is a good idea. These buses need an overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted August 10, 2011 Share #21 Posted August 10, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeLine256 Posted August 10, 2011 Share #22 Posted August 10, 2011 Yeah but it won't be a money saving move. Note: Clicked thanks instead of Quote by accident, =_=... why jake breaks cost a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted August 11, 2011 Share #23 Posted August 11, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramps Posted August 11, 2011 Share #24 Posted August 11, 2011 Cause they need to redo the braking system most likely, and also it's not standard in these Neoplans. The use of Jake brakes aka Jacobs engine brake, are not useful in a transit bus application. For a Jake break to be effective, the vehicle needs to be moving at a speed above 30 MPH. Rarely do transit buses get going that fast. Transit typically uses a transmission retarder to slow down buses. It extends break life. BTW - Westchester's Neoplans have transmission retarders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted August 11, 2011 Share #25 Posted August 11, 2011 Unless I'm mistaken, none of Bee-Lines buses ever had Jake brakes, not even their MCI's. Why start now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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