official Subway - What If?

[Metro CSW]

I highly doubt Cranberry can handle the , and all at once.

Don't worry, it never could, should and would for that matter.

[NYCRailfan523]

Times Square - 42nd Street (Flushing Line) platforms will be renovated in 2 years for the preparation of the 7 Subway Extension. What would you do? 

[ttcsubwayfan]

runs to Hunters Point Av (there's a crossover north of the station). Shuttle buses run to TSQ.

runs 24/7

[Quill Depot]

Times Square - 42nd Street (Flushing Line) platforms will be renovated in 2 years for the preparation of the 7 Subway Extension. What would you do? 

 

trains run from from Grand Central to Flushing.

trains run 24/7.

[FamousNYLover]

Times Square - 42nd Street (Flushing Line) platforms will be renovated in 2 years for the preparation of the 7 Subway Extension. What would you do? 

Local uses all tracks at Grand Central.

During PM Rush Hour, local leaves from Grand Central on Times Sq-bound platform and local leaves from Flushing-bound platform.

: 42nd St Shuttle runs overnight.

M42: Free boarding will be offer at Grand Central stops (Lexington, Park, Madison Avs, 5th Av, 6th Av, Times Sq-PABT at 7th Av, and 8th Avenues in both directions including Broadway.

[FamousNYLover]

Next: Emergency rehab must occur on the Rutgers St. Tube. This will take 1 year to complete. This includes York, East Broadway, and Delancey to be impassible. Reroute the .

 

: Trains run on line in both direction between West 4th St & Jay St-MetroTech.

Free shuttle buses operate as follows.

1. Between Jay St and York St.

2. Between Jay St & Broadway-Lafayette, serving Delancey-Essex Sts and Grand St, Lower East Side-2nd Av.

[Quill Depot]

: Trains run on line in both direction between West 4th St & Jay St-MetroTech.

Free shuttle buses operate as follows.

1. Between Jay St and York St.

2. Between Jay St & Broadway-Lafayette, serving Delancey-Essex Sts and Grand St, Lower East Side-2nd Av.

You can't fit that many trains through the A, C tube

[Quill Depot]

I highly doubt Cranberry can handle the , and all at once.

 

How about this:

 

Terminates at 2nd Av and Jay St/MetroTech

 

With maybe some (only 5 or 6 tph) rush-hour service running via the from Jay St-Metrotech to W4. All times, the cannot run through Cranberry.

 

NEXT: Due to a derailment at 86th Street on CPW, no trains can pass on the upper level. Suppose signals are set up for wrong-railing.

[TrainFanInfinity]

With maybe some (only 5 or 6 tph) rush-hour service running via the from Jay St-Metrotech to W4. All times, the cannot run through Cranberry.

 

NEXT: Due to a derailment at 86th Street on CPW, no trains can pass on the upper level. Suppose signals are set up for wrong-railing.

 

Solved your own problem basically.

 

Northbound trains run via southbound express track. Southbound trains run via southbound local track, making all local stops. (Both between 59th Street and 125th Street.)

: Via 8th Avenue Local.

: No service b/w 145th Street and 57th Street - 6th Avenue.

: No service b/w 125th Street and Chambers Street.

 

Or...

 

: No service b/w 59th Street and 125th Street.

Edited March 25, 2013 by TrainFanInfinity

[Quill Depot]

NEXT: It is 1987. Use this map to see the service at that time http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1987.gif

 

The 53rd St Line is impassable between 5th Av and Queens Plaza. Also, no trains can terminate at Queens Plaza, and due to a previous GO trains cannot run on the track that connects crosstown to Queens Blvd, meaning trains are terminating at Court Sq. Reroute the   and other lines as needed.

Edited March 25, 2013 by Quill Depot

[B to Brighton]

NEXT: It is 1987. Use this map to see the service at that time http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1987.gif

 

The 53rd St Line is impassable between 5th Av and Queens Plaza. Also, no trains can terminate at Queens Plaza, and due to a previous GO trains cannot run on the track that connects crosstown to Queens Blvd, meaning trains are terminating at Court Sq. Reroute the   and other lines as needed.

 

Yellow B and to Jamaica 179 St via local.

train replaces train or just suspend the and increase service on the

6th Av runs between Broadway - Lafayette and Grand St

terminates at 57 St - 6Av

Edited March 26, 2013 by B to Brighton

[NYCRailfan523]

Hurricane Andrea (Category 3) has hit New York as a strong but weakening tropical storm, flooding parts of New York. Among them is 66th St - Lincoln Center station. What would you do? 

[Quill Depot]

Hurricane Andrea (Category 3) has hit New York as a strong but weakening tropical storm, flooding parts of New York. Among them is 66th St - Lincoln Center station. What would you do? 

 

66th St-Lincoln Center is the only station affected... what?

[Threxx]

Ignoring the vague scenario...

 

Subway service must be suspended in the Cranberry Tube for 1 year. This a long term scenario, and Rutgers cannot handle the , , and . (And the after Broadway-Lafayette)

 

Make reasonable changes.

[GreeneggsnPelham]

Hmm, very interesting Threxx! I haven't been on this thread in awhile, so I'll take a stab at it.

 

I would run the to 2 Av, weekdays and weekends. No late night service.

 

The seems like it'd be unaffected as it takes the WillyB to/from Brooklyn.

 

To avoid overcrowding at Bway-Lafayette, which already has four lines stopping there, I'd run the in two sections, from 207-Chambers St & Jay-Lefferts/Rockaway. That would be the best plan of action as only two stations would be missed out on the --Fulton St & High St.

 

-A 

[itmaybeokay]

Ignoring the vague scenario...

 

Subway service must be suspended in the Cranberry Tube for 1 year. This a long term scenario, and Rutgers cannot handle the , , and . (And the after Broadway-Lafayette)

 

Make reasonable changes.

 

I mean, the Rutgers tube is underutilized, but I presume the problem here is mostly the Local Tracks at B-Way-Lafayette. 

Lets say dropping the from the tube brings it under capacity 

 

It might work:

- Trains run in 2 sections: Between Euclid and High St.

Between World Trade Center and 168 St. 

Trains run over the line between Jay St.- Metrotech and W4 st. Trains bypass Broadway-Lafayette. 

 

Relaying the Brooklyn section of the at High St avoids a logjam at Jay St. fumigating the trains there. High St could be run like a stub terminal. The setup of the interlockings north of Jay St. Isn't ideal for this, as Southbound trains and terminating trains would have to cross, but if timed carefully, I don't think it would be awful. 

 

Having the bypass B-Way-Laf would add a few TPH of capacity through this stretch.

 

 

If dropping the from crossing the river raises capacity problems, you could do something crazy like add a service at Montague via Nassau, intending to transfer riders to a W4 - Fulton shuttle. I think the 8th Av trains would have to be on the local track way up at 23rd to get to rutgers so the express tracks would be clear to do a single track shuttle or something like that. but that starts to get stupid quickly. 

[GreeneggsnPelham]

I don't personally think it would necessary to have trains bypass Broadway-Lafayette. Looking at the track maps, if the is running its normal 8 Av express, at W4, there's no way for it to go along Houston St. What would be better is probably having the run over the line between W4 & Jay St, so it could run its full local uninterrupted, so to speak.

 

The would still be split into two sections--it could actually help to have the terminate at High St like the in your scenario. I agree with you--that interlocking north of Jay is a mess.

What about this scenario?

 

Due to a suspicious fire, the Grand Central interlocking north of 42 St has been knocked out of service for a minimum of 6 weeks. No trains between 59 St & Union Square.

 

(Forgive me for its simplicity, it's been awhile lol)

 

-A 

[Wallyhorse]

Ignoring the vague scenario...

 

Subway service must be suspended in the Cranberry Tube for 1 year. This a long term scenario, and Rutgers cannot handle the , , and . (And the after Broadway-Lafayette)

 

Make reasonable changes.

 

runs via Rutgers at all times (local 59th Street-West 4th at all times).

 

 

is cut back to High Street-Euclid Avenue and runs current hours (late nights: Shuttle between High and Jay Streets)

 

runs on express track and skips 23rd and Spring Streets at all times.  Spring Street station is CLOSED during this, FREE Shuttle buses operate between West 4th and Canal Street for riders looking for Spring Street.

 

runs normal.

 

runs all times to 71st-Continental (late nights to Queens Plaza or Court Square)

 

 

is re-routed to the 8th Avenue/CPW line and runs via the West 4th-168th Street (running all times, except late nights when it runs its current shuttle).

 

 

runs all times to 71st-Continental (including overnights).

Edited May 16, 2013 by Wallyhorse

[GreeneggsnPelham]

Interesting scenarios, Wally. What's the rationale behind your re routes? The others I can understand. Just a question

 

-A 

[Fresh Pond]

Interesting scenarios, Wally. What's the rationale behind your re routes? The others I can understand. Just a question

 

-A

Its always some weird unnecessary reroutes with him...

[Wallyhorse]

Interesting scenarios, Wally. What's the rationale behind your re routes? The others I can understand. Just a question

 

-A 

The logic is that the can run uninterrupted in Brooklyn between High Street and Euclid Avenue and have High Street to terminate since the would not be stopping there.  It also frees up space for the to run uptown from the Willy B, in this case taking the place of the along CPW at all times other than overnights (running the 's schedule).  The is on the express track between 50th and Canal since the has to run local along 8th Avenue between CC and W4 in this scenario, with the replacing the as the second 8th Avenue local in midtown.  Spring Street is simply the odd station out in this scenario.

 

The replaces the in Queens so the is not the only train in Queens that is a local. 

[itmaybeokay]

The replaces the in Queens so the is not the only train in Queens that is a local. 

 

And how will all those manhattan bound riders on that G during the AM rush get into town? Ferry? 

 

Don't say "Transfer to the E at queens plaza" because there isn't enough capacity on those trains in the AM. QBL is a very busy line. 

[Threxx]

runs via Rutgers at all times (local 59th Street-West 4th at all times).

 

 

is cut back to High Street-Euclid Avenue and runs current hours (late nights: Shuttle between High and Jay Streets)

 

runs on express track and skips 23rd and Spring Streets at all times.  Spring Street station is CLOSED during this, FREE Shuttle buses operate between West 4th and Canal Street for riders looking for Spring Street.

 

runs normal.

runs all times to 71st-Continental (late nights to Queens Plaza or Court Square)

 

 

is re-routed to the 8th Avenue/CPW line and runs via the West 4th-168th Street (running all times, except late nights when it runs its current shuttle).

 

 

runs all times to 71st-Continental (including overnights).

 

I said reasonable changes. No QBL rider is looking for the in the morning.

[Metro CSW]

Well this never gets old....

[TrainFanInfinity]

Due to a suspicious fire, the Grand Central interlocking north of 42 St has been knocked out of service for a minimum of 6 weeks. No trains between 59 St & Union Square.

 

(Forgive me for its simplicity, it's been awhile lol)

 

-A 

 

: No service b/w 86th Street and Utica Avenue.

: Via Lenox Avenue - 7th Avenue Local - Clark Street Lines, running 24/7. Select trains, signed up as , run to Utica Avenue during weekdays.

: No service b/w 86th Street and Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall.

 

A shuttle runs between Union Square and Borough Hall, single tracking between Union Square and Fulton Street.

Edited May 17, 2013 by TrainFanInfinity