TrainFanInfinity Posted September 14, 2012 Share #2476 Posted September 14, 2012 NEXT: It's 2040 and the Second Avenue Subway is fully completed. Broadway is as following: - Coney Island to Astoria, Broadway Express via Bridge, 15tph - Whitehall Street-Astoria, Broadway Local. 6tph - 125th Street to Coney Island, Broadway Express via Bridge. 15tph. - 71st Ave to 95 Street (Brooklyn) via tunnel, Broadway Local 8tph Also the is 15tph and the is 15tph. At 57th Street-Broadway all switches are stuck in the straight positon. Local trains via 59th Street Tube, express goes via 2nd Avenue. Solve this problem and do not go over 30tph. Cause as minimal delays as possible. Stops at 49 Street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted September 14, 2012 Share #2477 Posted September 14, 2012 6 Av Express ? 6 Av Local ? You can cut the to Chambers, and the to begin with is what I would say. I know they had the Brighton Express, and the Brighton Local, but this is different. There are only 2 Local stops on 6 Av, and I don't think that it can handle that many trains. And plus at one point you will have the and on the Local track, with the crossing onto the 8 Av Local. I thought about cutting some trains to Essex, but that screws Broadway-Brooklyn riders as well as those on QB, so I would have just dealt with four lines for a brief stretch on one track and noted to expect delays on the 6th Avenue line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted September 14, 2012 Share #2478 Posted September 14, 2012 The Penn station complex has been closed due to a police investigation. Reroute . No trains between 42 and 14 St. Trains run via the between 149 and Nevins St. No trains between 96 and Chambers St. Trains run via the between 59 and 34 St, then via the to West 4 St. No trains between Chambers and 168 St. Some trains run via 63 St and Broadway Express, proceeding to terminate at 34 St. Other trains run via 53 St and terminate at Lex Av. Cut back to Broad St, replaced with additional R service between Whitehall St and 71 Av. NEXT Bowery and Canal St are both impassable. This is a long-term service change, so solutions can be creative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainFanInfinity Posted September 14, 2012 Share #2479 Posted September 14, 2012 (edited) NEXT Bowery and Canal St are both impassable. This is a long-term service change, so solutions can be creative. Via 8 Avenue Local (south of 59 Street) - Rutgers Street Tunnel. Two sections: 168 Street <> 14 Street via 8 Avenue Express (south of 59 Street). Chambers Street <> Euclid Avenue. No service b/w 14 Street & World Trade Center, via 8 Avenue Express. No service b/w Essex Street and Broad Street. Edited September 15, 2012 by TrainFanInfinity 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2480 Posted September 15, 2012 Excuse me, but am I the only who does not see any switches anywhere near 14th Street ? Are there switches there but not displayed on the track maps? If not then I have no idea what you're all trying to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2481 Posted September 15, 2012 Excuse me, but am I the only who does not see any switches anywhere near 14th Street ? Are there switches there but not displayed on the track maps? If not then I have no idea what you're all trying to do. Using those layover tracks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2482 Posted September 15, 2012 NEXT Bowery and Canal St are both impassable. This is a long-term service change, so solutions can be creative. Jamaica Center - Essex St via between W 4 St and Jay St, fully local Jamaica Center - 14 St (skips 23 St) : 10 TPH : 10 TPH : 8 TPH Excuse me, but am I the only who does not see any switches anywhere near 14th Street ? Are there switches there but not displayed on the track maps? If not then I have no idea what you're all trying to do. The switches are at 34 St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2483 Posted September 15, 2012 Trains would use the switches between 34 and 23 St and wrong-rail from there. Mind you, this is nowhere near realistic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2484 Posted September 15, 2012 Trains would use the switches between 34 and 23 St and wrong-rail from there. Mind you, this is nowhere near realistic. I don't really understand what's wrong with it, though. Still, if it's a problem, trains can terminate at 34 St. NEXT: 174 St yard and the tracks leading up to it (which the uses to terminate) are closed for maintenance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2485 Posted September 15, 2012 trains will relay via the yard leads at Dyckman St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2486 Posted September 15, 2012 More futuristic scenarios: Year: 2019 4th Avenue is as follows: : Coney Island-Astoria, Broadway/Sea Beach Express via Bridge : 71st Street-Bay Ridge, Broadway/4th Avenue Local via Tunnel : Kings Highway-Astoria, Broadway/Sea Beach Local via Tunnel : Coney Island-205th Street, 6th Avenue/West End Express via Bridge The is 8 TPH. The interchanges at 36th Street and 59th Street are closed. Reroute trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2487 Posted September 15, 2012 I can't say I'm a fan of all of these fantasy route/prediction scenarios. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2488 Posted September 15, 2012 I can't say I'm a fan of all of these fantasy route/prediction scenarios. It's a change from the usual scenario, as they can get repetitive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2489 Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) Excuse me, but am I the only who does not see any switches anywhere near 14th Street ? Are there switches there but not displayed on the track maps? If not then I have no idea what you're all trying to do. That's why I said LIMITED service to 14th Street in mine (Penn Station and the subway stations connected to it closed). The premise is, there would be some wrong-railing on the express tracks, but since the would be the only train in my scenario that uses such, that has it so some terminate at Chambers, some terminate at Canal and others terminate at 14th in order to not jam up all trains on the layover track at Chambers. Bowery and Canal St are both impassable. This is a long-term service change, so solutions can be creative. Lefferts Boulevard service from 207th Street via the West 4th-Jay Street (local between 59th Street and West 4th), normal service otherwise (Far Rockaway service overnights) Far Rockaway and Euclid Avenue service begins and ends at Chambers Street (except overnights, when such trains run to 207th Street but run express 59th Street-168th Street, overnight shuttle operates Jay Street-Chambers Street). runs between Queens Plaza and 34th Street-Penn Station, using the express track with select trains running to 14th Street-8th Avenue on such. runs via the from Broadway-Lafayette-West 4th and then replaces the on 8th Avenue from West 4th-168th Street (all times, including overnights). runs same as in rush hours, with for this period skip-stop service in Brooklyn and Queens in both directions due to the extended route. All stations south of Essex Street on the are closed for the duration of this interruption. Edited September 15, 2012 by Wallyhorse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCRailfan523 Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2490 Posted September 15, 2012 I love the What-If thread, so I am gonna make another problem. Year: 2020 Bowling Green station will be closed for retrofitting it with full-height platform screen doors and installing escalators to the platforms. Reroute the . Note: Bowling Green in my scenario is now a hub for the Lexington Avenue Line trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgor Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2491 Posted September 15, 2012 I love the What-If thread, so I am gonna make another problem. Year: 2020 Bowling Green station will be closed for retrofitting it with full-height platform screen doors and installing escalators to the platforms. Reroute the . Note: Bowling Green in my scenario is now a hub for the Lexington Avenue Line trains. If your crazy fantasy can handle all those trains, then the can all terminate at Brooklyn Bridge. Have the and whatever else you want handle Brooklyn with a transfer at Fulton. I'm not really enjoying these future scenarios, mainly because it's really unclear on what the service patterns and what the track configurations are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2492 Posted September 15, 2012 Lefferts Boulevard service from 207th Street via the West 4th-Jay Street (local between 59th Street and West 4th), normal service otherwise (Far Rockaway service overnights) Far Rockaway and Euclid Avenue service begins and ends at Chambers Street (except overnights, when such trains run to 207th Street but run express 59th Street-168th Street, overnight shuttle operates Jay Street-Chambers Street). runs between Queens Plaza and 34th Street-Penn Station, using the express track with select trains running to 14th Street-8th Avenue on such. runs via the from Broadway-Lafayette-West 4th and then replaces the on 8th Avenue from West 4th-168th Street (all times, including overnights). runs same as in rush hours, with for this period skip-stop service in Brooklyn and Queens in both directions due to the extended route. All stations south of Essex Street on the are closed for the duration of this interruption. NOPE. Not only have you made things too complicated, but you've completely overloaded the 6 Avenue Local tracks...And besides, I don't think there are even enough trains to extend the to 168 St. A much better choice (even though this would also overload the 6 Avenue Local tracks) would be to just run the along with the via the line. Keep in mind that suddenly implementing skip-stop when people don't expect it is going to lead a lot of people to miss their stops. Sure, you can tell people to listen to the announcements, but a lot of people won't because they think they know how their train is running. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2493 Posted September 15, 2012 More futuristic scenarios: Year: 2019 4th Avenue is as follows: : Coney Island-Astoria, Broadway/Sea Beach Express via Bridge : 71st Street-Bay Ridge, Broadway/4th Avenue Local via Tunnel : Kings Highway-Astoria, Broadway/Sea Beach Local via Tunnel : Coney Island-205th Street, 6th Avenue/West End Express via Bridge The is 8 TPH. The interchanges at 36th Street and 59th Street are closed. Reroute trains. I refuse to do this. Not only am I a strong believer that the is not coming back, but also, I do not see any Sea Beach Express in both directions in our future. And where the hell is the West End Local? If this is a past scenario, I would understand. How about this? NEXT Terrorist attacks occur at the WTC in 2001. Was what the did acceptable? How would you reroute the trains? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2494 Posted September 15, 2012 I meant 4th Avenue Express. The trains read Sea Beach Express, despite not actually running express on Sea Beach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2495 Posted September 15, 2012 NEXT Terrorist attacks occur at the WTC in 2001. Was what the did acceptable? How would you reroute the trains? What lines specifically are impassible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2496 Posted September 15, 2012 NEXT Because of a major structural collapse, the Broadway Line is impassable at 23 St. This service change will last one year, so all lines must have the same tph to Manhattan as before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2497 Posted September 15, 2012 NEXT Because of a major structural collapse, the Broadway Line is impassable at 23 St. This service change will last one year, so all lines must have the same tph to Manhattan as before. & : No trains between 34th Street and Whitehall Street. : Via Manhattan Bridge and 63rd Street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2498 Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) I meant 4th Avenue Express. The trains read Sea Beach Express, despite not actually running express on Sea Beach. WELL THEN SAY IT. What lines specifically are impassible? mainly, but it is what you think would be mest. Minimal service, multiple transfers. Edited September 15, 2012 by Brighton Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2499 Posted September 15, 2012 Short-term: terminates at 14 St; select trains extended to Utica or New Lots Av runs local south of 34 St terminates at Canal St via Manhattan Bridge; select Queens-bound trains terminate at Whitehall St; select Brooklyn-bound trains terminate at Canal St I don't really see how the are affected by this. They can skip Chambers and Fulton if conditions are bad, but I don't see how the trains wouldn't be able to pass through. I would also have and trains skip Fulton St and the skip Park Place. NEXT: High St blows up. This is a long-term service change, so you should feel free to adjust the TPH of lines. One rule: you can't split the into two sections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted September 15, 2012 Share #2500 Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) Short-term: NEXT: High St blows up. This is a long-term service change, so you should feel free to adjust the TPH of lines. One rule: you can't split the into two sections. 207 St to Far Rockaway/Lefferts Blvd (UWS/CPW/8 Av/6 Av/Fulton/Rockaway Local) No Service Metro Av to Chambers St/Broad St (Nassau St Local) NOTE [RUSH HOUR SELECT] Trains run Fulton Express between Euclid Av and Jay St [RUSH HOUR] Trains run West End Express between Coney Island and 9 Av [RUSH HOUR] Trains may go to Chambers St/Fulton St [RUSH HOUR] Trains run 4 Av/West End Local to Bay Pkwy Edited September 15, 2012 by Brighton Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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