Amtrak7 Posted February 16, 2012 Share #51 Posted February 16, 2012 If the N81 isn't extended there, I'd just create a new route to do Syosset-Oyster Bay. Not a good idea. Way too little turnover, would have really high operating costs. Plus Oyster Bay is wealthy which leads to not that much ridership. Think of a short version of the W14, that's what it'll become. Or the SEPTA 132 Telford, which exists during the off peak soley due to county external operating subsidy. Oyster Bay doesn't need service. The only real untapped service market I see in Nassau is Jericho Tpk from Mineola to Hicksville, which should be served either by an N24 extension or a new route. Syosset should also see something, maybe a Mineola-Syosset route via Jericho Tpk would work. N81 via Woodbury Rd, as much as it would be a benefit for me, just won't garner enough ridership to warrant the relatively long mid-route diversion (and the shopping center is diagonally across the relatively busy intersection) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 17, 2012 Share #52 Posted February 17, 2012 Not a good idea. Way too little turnover, would have really high operating costs. Plus Oyster Bay is wealthy which leads to not that much ridership. Think of a short version of the W14, that's what it'll become. Or the SEPTA 132 Telford, which exists during the off peak soley due to county external operating subsidy. Oyster Bay doesn't need service. The only real untapped service market I see in Nassau is Jericho Tpk from Mineola to Hicksville, which should be served either by an N24 extension or a new route. Syosset should also see something, maybe a Mineola-Syosset route via Jericho Tpk would work. N81 via Woodbury Rd, as much as it would be a benefit for me, just won't garner enough ridership to warrant the relatively long mid-route diversion (and the shopping center is diagonally across the relatively busy intersection) Oyster Bay isn't that wealthy: Oyster Bay, New York (NY 11771) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news Median household income: $79,802 Per capita income: $45,529 By contrast, here's Plainview: Plainview, New York (NY 11803) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders Median household income: $115,253 Per capita income: $45,418 And here's Syosset: Syosset, New York (NY 11773, 11791) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders Median household income: $126,252 Per capita income: $48,653 But it all depends if you can get to the portion of the area where you're likely to get riders. In the case of Oyster Bay, the more middle class area appears to be around the LIRR station, so there is potential for ridership there. In Syosset, you have shopping centers along Jackson Avenue, and in Plainview, you have the hospital (and the N78/79 pass through there on their way to other traffic generators). As for serving Woodbury Road, I forgot to take that out. If Woodbury Road gets its service back, it should either be through the restoration of the N94, or the extension of a route from Hicksville, but it shouldn't get a mid-route diversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinePower Posted February 17, 2012 Share #53 Posted February 17, 2012 1) Wait. Would you eliminate Sunday service on the N27? :confused: No, I'd eliminate the N27 south of Roosevelt Field since most of that route is already served by the N16, which would run on Sundays. The N27 would still run to Glen Cove 7 days a week, but straight down Glen Cove Rd, most passengers board at RF, Greenvale, and Glen Cove/School St. Ending the N40/41 at HTC may not be a bad idea, and having the N23 run to HTC instead, which preserves direct HTC-Roslyn Rail service with N27 on Glen Cove Rd. Only problem is there's ALOT of people that use the N40/41 between Mineola and HTC during rush hours, so I still think one of them should run to Mineola. Either that or have the N15 serve Mineola Transit Center and run down the former N40/41 route to HTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinePower Posted February 17, 2012 Share #54 Posted February 17, 2012 Not a good idea. Way too little turnover, would have really high operating costs. Plus Oyster Bay is wealthy which leads to not that much ridership. Think of a short version of the W14, that's what it'll become. Or the SEPTA 132 Telford, which exists during the off peak soley due to county external operating subsidy. Oyster Bay doesn't need service. The only real untapped service market I see in Nassau is Jericho Tpk from Mineola to Hicksville, which should be served either by an N24 extension or a new route. Syosset should also see something, maybe a Mineola-Syosset route via Jericho Tpk would work. N81 via Woodbury Rd, as much as it would be a benefit for me, just won't garner enough ridership to warrant the relatively long mid-route diversion (and the shopping center is diagonally across the relatively busy intersection) Not all of Oyster Bay is wealthy, there's actually a poor area of town by the train station I believe. Even Bayville isnt that wealthy. I bet some people would use the bus service there. THere's certainly wealthier areas like Great Neck and Kings Point which already get bus service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted February 17, 2012 Share #55 Posted February 17, 2012 Not all of Oyster Bay is wealthy, there's actually a poor area of town by the train station I believe. Even Bayville isnt that wealthy. I bet some people would use the bus service there. THere's certainly wealthier areas like Great Neck and Kings Point which already get bus service. There's a pretty good chance Kings Pt loses service north of the Academy in April. I'm not saying Oyster Bay has no ridership potential, I'm saying that the ridership potential does not justify, IMO, running bus service through relatively low-density areas to get there. If it were only a short extension of an existing route, I would certainly support it (just like how I support N27 to Locust Valley). Just look at the N20 nonstop segment in Brookville and how expensive it is even though its busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 17, 2012 Share #56 Posted February 17, 2012 No, I'd eliminate the N27 south of Roosevelt Field since most of that route is already served by the N16, which would run on Sundays. The N27 would still run to Glen Cove 7 days a week, but straight down Glen Cove Rd, most passengers board at RF, Greenvale, and Glen Cove/School St. Ending the N40/41 at HTC may not be a bad idea, and having the N23 run to HTC instead, which preserves direct HTC-Roslyn Rail service with N27 on Glen Cove Rd. Only problem is there's ALOT of people that use the N40/41 between Mineola and HTC during rush hours, so I still think one of them should run to Mineola. Either that or have the N15 serve Mineola Transit Center and run down the former N40/41 route to HTC. I see. Well, the N16 does see decent ridership on Saturdays, and the cost is reasonably low (I believe it was $2.84 per passenger), but I don't know if Veolia would really want to expand the hours. On a side note, why are the Hempstead-RFM short-turns unevenly spaced? You have a 20 minute gap, and then the short-turn leaves 10 minutes before the regular run. I guess it's to prevent overcrowding (so the short-turns get most of the Hempstead-NCC/RFM passengers, and the regular runs get the riders going south of Hempstead) As for cutting the N40/41 back to Hempstead, I think it's best to just keep them as is. The HTC might get a lot of turnover, but I'd imagine it still sees a lot of through-ridership. Now that I think about it, if you want to keep Roslyn-Hempstead access, you're better off leaving the N27 as is. Not all of Oyster Bay is wealthy, there's actually a poor area of town by the train station I believe. Even Bayville isnt that wealthy. I bet some people would use the bus service there. THere's certainly wealthier areas like Great Neck and Kings Point which already get bus service. Man, you're just like Via Garibaldi. If the houses aren't pristine, the area is "poor". There's a difference between poor, working class and middle class. Most of the areas that LIers consider poor are either working class or lower middle class. There's a pretty good chance Kings Pt loses service north of the Academy in April. I'm not saying Oyster Bay has no ridership potential, I'm saying that the ridership potential does not justify, IMO, running bus service through relatively low-density areas to get there. If it were only a short extension of an existing route, I would certainly support it (just like how I support N27 to Locust Valley). Just look at the N20 nonstop segment in Brookville and how expensive it is even though its busy. But the thing is that it's not really that long of a trip. Google Transit says it's about a 10 minute car ride between the Syosset and Oyster Bay LIRR stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted February 17, 2012 Share #57 Posted February 17, 2012 I wish they restore N93 and add every 90 minutes service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marctalky1 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share #58 Posted February 17, 2012 I wish they restore N93 and add every 90 minutes service. Minibus then? I think they should propose a lot of routes minibuses including N73/4 N80/1 have the n43 run more during midday and have 45 go from Uniondale to bellmore via minibus. Even n16 short turns should have minibus when they don't line us with the class schedule. N51 also should have minibus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted February 17, 2012 Share #59 Posted February 17, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marctalky1 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share #60 Posted February 17, 2012 From reading the previous several posts, for the towns of Oyster Bay and Syosset. This route alignment would probably work, lets just say the route originate from Hicksville: -Run along Woodbury Road. -Left on S. Oyster Bay Road. -Continue on Jackson Ave. -Bear Left on Split Rock Road. -Merge onto Route 106. -Left on Main St. [Layover] -Left on Lexington Ave. -Right on Route 106. ~follow North/Bound Route by going South and convert Left to Rights~ ^This alignment assumes that there are sufficient commuter traffic and go thru areas where there are more dense street population and shopping areas.^ Rush hour only? Minibus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted February 17, 2012 Share #61 Posted February 17, 2012 Rush hour only? Minibus? When you say mini bus do you mean cut-away vans like airport shuttles or 30 foot transit buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marctalky1 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share #62 Posted February 17, 2012 When you say mini bus do you mean cut-away vans like airport shuttles or 30 foot transit buses? The ones they used on the merrick shuttles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted February 17, 2012 Share #63 Posted February 17, 2012 Those were like the para buses but configured as shuttle buses instead of configured for para use, right? Would it be cheaper to operate these buses on the route as opposed to the Orion buses they have? Could they configure para buses to do this? If not where would the money come from to buy/lease these buses? Wouldn't it just be better to use the resources to buy buses that can be used on all routes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marctalky1 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Share #64 Posted February 17, 2012 Those were like the para buses but configured as shuttle buses instead of configured for para use, right? Would it be cheaper to operate these buses on the route as opposed to the Orion buses they have? Could they configure para buses to do this? If not where would the money come from to buy/lease these buses? Wouldn't it just be better to use the resources to buy buses that can be used on all routes? I thought it would be cheaper to use both and just to retrofit all of the para transit buses with fare boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burrstone Posted February 17, 2012 Share #65 Posted February 17, 2012 Question... Are the para transit buses CNG or diesel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted February 17, 2012 Share #66 Posted February 17, 2012 Question... Are the para transit buses CNG or diesel? Diesel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted February 17, 2012 Share #67 Posted February 17, 2012 Diesel. Well then NICE could always buy diesel buses and refuel and store them at the Garden City para-transit depot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 18, 2012 Share #68 Posted February 18, 2012 Not a good idea. Way too little turnover, would have really high operating costs. Plus Oyster Bay is wealthy which leads to not that much ridership. Think of a short version of the W14, that's what it'll become. Or the SEPTA 132 Telford, which exists during the off peak soley due to county external operating subsidy. Oyster Bay doesn't need service. The only real untapped service market I see in Nassau is Jericho Tpk from Mineola to Hicksville, which should be served either by an N24 extension or a new route. Syosset should also see something, maybe a Mineola-Syosset route via Jericho Tpk would work. N81 via Woodbury Rd, as much as it would be a benefit for me, just won't garner enough ridership to warrant the relatively long mid-route diversion (and the shopping center is diagonally across the relatively busy intersection) What he meant was to eliminate N81 hicksville service and have it stay on oyster bay road en route to oyster bay which means no diversion and since it will time with soysset and bethpage LIRR trains that alone eliminates the need to even bother with hicksville anymore. ohh the SEPTA 132 was formerly part of the 96 and if extended as a ztreet road crosstown its ridership WILL increase. it's routing not making enough connections hinders ridership. Last I was on it it was CRUSHED!!!! after the train riders got on it damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marctalky1 Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share #69 Posted February 19, 2012 Question who's going to the Marriott meeting. I would like to meet up with a few people before the meeting maybe someone could make a poster with our presence at the meeting and group us together I would like to meet at Roosevelt Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted February 19, 2012 Share #70 Posted February 19, 2012 Question who's going to the Marriott meeting. I would like to meet up with a few people before the meeting maybe someone could make a poster with our presence at the meeting and group us together I would like to meet at Roosevelt Field. I will go to Uniondale Meeting for short time and go to Great Neck one for 5-8pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 20, 2012 Share #71 Posted February 20, 2012 Question who's going to the Marriott meeting. I would like to meet up with a few people before the meeting maybe someone could make a poster with our presence at the meeting and group us together I would like to meet at Roosevelt Field. I will tell u my name in person at the meeting you will hear my wrath ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted February 20, 2012 Share #72 Posted February 20, 2012 I will tell u my name in person at the meeting you will hear my wrath ha ha ha How can you tell him at Uniondale Marriot if you are in Maryland at same time? Don't you say, you only could to Great Neck Meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 20, 2012 Share #73 Posted February 20, 2012 Here's somebody who claims to know what the upcoming changes are. I don't know if this is true or not: Re: NICE Bus plans service cuts in April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted February 20, 2012 Share #74 Posted February 20, 2012 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 20, 2012 Share #75 Posted February 20, 2012 He also mentioned 2 additions here: Re: NICE Bus plans service cut$ in April ... + some ''good news'' w/video I don't know if they'll actually add the service or if they'll take away buses from the regular N6 & N22 services to create the new express service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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