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Should the MTA acquire more Orion Vs?

Should the MTA acquire more Orion Vs?  

  1. 1. Should the MTA acquire more Orion Vs?



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The Orion V is a great bus, it's fast, reliable, roomy, and gets the job done. The question is, should MTA acquire more Orion V High Floor buses? There is no more Detroit Diesel but the Cummins ISM and ISL are still in play.

 

From the Wiki.

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Those are some of the current Orion Vs we have.

 

Photo from a friend who owns the site where I got this picture at.

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That is a photo of the 2008 Orion V, the most noticable difference is the tailpipe, which was changed due to emission regulations.

 

Do YOU think MTA should buy more Orion V buses?

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I vote more articulated, and re-intro of double deck, or double deck articulated for heavy ridership routes. CNG or hybrid for the rest. The less fuel (MTA) uses the better. Avoid fuel cost driven rate hikes.

 

- Andy

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Yes, but I agree with Metsfan, first get the artics and double decker buses and convert routes to BRT using those buses, and for lighter routes (Low ridership) low floor buses, the buses in the middle (mid level ridership) .get the Orion V

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NO Thank You!

 

The Orion Vs are already currently the lowest or among the lowest reliable bus fleet overall in NYCT. And coming from a Staten Islander where the Orion Vs have dominated since 2001 and still dominate in 2008 more than any other borough, I would definitely give that thought a hands down. They're very robust, roomy, and seem as though they could run forever but they're still prone to breakdowns too frequently, even after being overhauled.

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NO Thank You!

 

The Orion Vs are already currently the lowest or among the lowest reliable bus fleet overall in NYCT. And coming from a Staten Islander where the Orion Vs have dominated since 2001 and still dominate in 2008 more than any other borough, I would definitely give that thought a hands down. They're very robust, roomy, and seem as though they could run forever but they're still prone to breakdowns too frequently, even after being overhauled.

That's the engines fault, S50 isn't exactly reliable. Now if MTA were to get more they would be forced to get a Cummins engine. Cummins engines are pretty reliable and air efficient. :(

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I have to say yes on this one. I think about 60 to 80 2008/2009 series buses would be a good addition to the fleet, and could replace/displace some 100 series buses. I don't think any more than that will be needed because as we all know, the TA is moving to clean air buses. That is also the reason why they won't order any. The only non-hybrids/ non-CNG buses on order are the MCI's that are now behind schedule. I also wonder why the TA doesn't order the D4500H Hybrid.

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NO Thank You!

 

The Orion Vs are already currently the lowest or among the lowest reliable bus fleet overall in NYCT. And coming from a Staten Islander where the Orion Vs have dominated since 2001 and still dominate in 2008 more than any other borough, I would definitely give that thought a hands down. They're very robust, roomy, and seem as though they could run forever but they're still prone to breakdowns too frequently, even after being overhauled.

 

I have to agree with you one that. these buses are too plentiful in the Bx (the oldest ones) and SI (the newest ones) and they cause nothing but issues. They drop out more than the artics on the regular basis which is sad. And when it's hot, it's a nightmare trying to get somewhere in Orion 5 terr. They cause service gaps and crowds. The areas that have them now need to get rid of the O5's, not get new ones. They get messed up easily and the damage is often irreversible. Hell, the 400-600 series has lost more buses to fire damage than any other series. They need to just get those NG O7's here and scrap all the O5's right away.

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I have to agree with you one that. these buses are too plentiful in the Bx (the oldest ones) and SI (the newest ones) and they cause nothing but issues. They drop out more than the artics on the regular basis which is sad. And when it's hot, it's a nightmare trying to get somewhere in Orion 5 terr. They cause service gaps and crowds. The areas that have them now need to get rid of the O5's, not get new ones. They get messed up easily and the damage is often irreversible. Hell, the 400-600 series has lost more buses to fire damage than any other series. They need to just get those NG O7's here and scrap all the O5's right away.

 

I agree with you to a certain extent, but our newest O5's are '99 OBI's. We are talking about 2008/2009 Daimler's which are much better. Totally different powertrain, as well as an upgraded suspension and HVAC sys. Just look at the Daimler troopers of Long Island Bus, and Bee-Line. Those buses are great in the summer. There streets are no different than ours. All buses will bottom out at one time or another, go out of service, or whatever else. The best 40ft will always be the RTS, which on occassion has it's flaws as well.....

But the point is New O5' could be good. icon14.gif

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I voted yes.....it has more room and its comfortable. If some of these depots know how to fix the Orion V's properly the buses won't break that often. It would be nice to have Artics on the streets.

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I have to agree with you one that. these buses are too plentiful in the Bx (the oldest ones) and SI (the newest ones) and they cause nothing but issues. They drop out more than the artics on the regular basis which is sad. And when it's hot, it's a nightmare trying to get somewhere in Orion 5 terr. They cause service gaps and crowds. The areas that have them now need to get rid of the O5's, not get new ones. They get messed up easily and the damage is often irreversible. Hell, the 400-600 series has lost more buses to fire damage than any other series. They need to just get those NG O7's here and scrap all the O5's right away.

 

I don't want no O7s in my territory. Damn buses, since they have the wheel wells up front the only way to talk to the bus operator is by standing over by the farebox area. Damn spaceless spaceships, I want my front seat to talk to the friendly neighborhood bus operators like I've been doing and I will not stand by no farebox! :mad:

 

Needless to say I would like new O5s so I can get my seat up there. But if O7s do end up coming to Kingsbridge I think I'll just stand up there by the box anyway...

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They should, but as I told 89' Liberty MCI, MTA won't. Reason ain't Clean Air. Reason is price of HF wheelchair lift vs. Low Floor lifts. With 100 million in Federal Dollars coming to MTA a year, MTA would like to put more of that in their pocket.....

 

Just throwing out numbers, if a wheelchair lift cost $1500 for a HF bus, and $500 for a LF ramp, what do you think they will buy. Their is a price to pay with LF buses. Constantly buying and replacing bent rims, and constantly repairing shocks and bellows. As a driver I will tell you LF buses can't stand the streets of NYC. We don't get potholes here, we get craters.......

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I don't want no O7s in my territory. Damn buses, since they have the wheel wells up front the only way to talk to the bus operator is by standing over by the farebox area. Damn spaceless spaceships, I want my front seat to talk to the friendly neighborhood bus operators like I've been doing and I will not stand by no farebox! :mad:

 

Needless to say I would like new O5s so I can get my seat up there. But if O7s do end up coming to Kingsbridge I think I'll just stand up there by the box anyway...

 

I know you would still stand at the farebox, but you could always sit on the wheel well B).

 

I don't trust the O5's anymore, I used to but they really suck now. A year ago I would have said buy more but I've grown to really like the O7's.

 

All I'm saying is that it'd be nice to get on a KB bus for once that didn't rattle or screech non-stop, sound like a sonicboom or have you wondering if the B/O had to stop short would the bus fall apart. If KB had O7's we wouldn't spend 15 mins waiting for an old lady to get on the bus or deal with kneeler issues at every bus stop. I'd rather get off the (1) at 231 going to school and see an O7's of any year than an O5 on the Bx10.

 

Its time to move forward and let go of the O5's. Besides the fact that I have a vendetta against these buses and wish they didnt run in the Bx, there's no hybrid O5 and the areas they would run in don't need anymore pollution from buses.

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I know you would still stand at the farebox, but you could always sit on the wheel well B).

 

I don't trust the O5's anymore, I used to but they really suck now. A year ago I would have said buy more but I've grown to really like the O7's.

 

All I'm saying is that it'd be nice to get on a KB bus for once that didn't rattle or screech non-stop, sound like a sonicboom or have you wondering if the B/O had to stop short would the bus fall apart. If KB had O7's we wouldn't spend 15 mins waiting for an old lady to get on the bus or deal with kneeler issues at every bus stop. I'd rather get off the (1) at 231 going to school and see an O7's of any year than an O5 on the Bx10.

 

Its time to move forward and let go of the O5's. Besides the fact that I have a vendetta against these buses and wish they didnt run in the Bx, there's no hybrid O5 and the areas they would run in don't need anymore pollution from buses.

Actually the members of CPTDB was discussing the Orion V HEV...

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