Should MTA re-take over LIBus?

[Burrstone]

Do you have a CLUE how Huge NYS really is?

 

No I don't will you please tell me.

 

You should be telling this to CT and MD and Mass which need STATE RUN transit systems MORE!!!!

 

I really could care less what is going on in CT or MD!

 

NY is TOO HUGE FOR STATE RUN

 

Or you lack the capacity to vision something this big! I'm sure someone once said "you want to put trains under the ground? It's too big of a project, it'll never work."

 

plus the state subsidizes several lines all over the state.

 

That's exactly why there should be a state run transit system, start taking over transit systems in trouble throughout the state and build the system from there. We are already seeing the need for transit systems for rural counties in Upstate, NY and the RGRTA is implementing service (I actually don't have a problem with the RGRTA, they are one of the few doing it right. But if NY and the Federal Government is funding these systems why do need numerous duplicate positions such as directors drawing a salary. Cut out the waste, cute out the bloated budgets, have a state run system!

 

TrailwaysNY will HATE YOU for that.

 

I don't care.

 

In reality many rural lines need to be combined with trailways lines OR restructured to make long-distance intercity lines.

 

That makes no sense. Why trailways?

[qjtransitmaster]

No I don't will you please tell me.

 

 

 

I really could care less what is going on in CT or MD!

 

 

 

Or you lack the capacity to vision something this big! I'm sure someone once said "you want to put trains under the ground? It's too big of a project, it'll never work."

 

 

 

That's exactly why there should be a state run transit system, start taking over transit systems in trouble throughout the state and build the system from there. We are already seeing the need for transit systems for rural counties in Upstate, NY and the RGRTA is implementing service (I actually don't have a problem with the RGRTA, they are one of the few doing it right. But if NY and the Federal Government is funding these systems why do need numerous duplicate positions such as directors drawing a salary. Cut out the waste, cute out the bloated budgets, have a state run system!

 

 

 

I don't care.

 

 

 

That makes no sense. Why trailways?Simply cause you do not understand the structure of the bus routes in those regions and how flawed they really are.

 

One trailways ALSO runs the bus networks in onieda,otsego,herkimer,lewis,madison and most of delaware. OK so if you insist on state run bus network I would give the long distance lines and rural lines to TrailwaysNY and CoachUSA their lines will forge the regional intercity-division. Then the city division will involve NYC metro area and LI and SL/trailways will have a cross-honoring type system for travel within the NYC district. Westchester and putnam will be part of NYC north and dutchess and ulster/orange the southern tier regional district some dutchess lines will be jointly run by CTDOT and NYSDOT. Then there will be the albany city capital district responsible for montgomery and Albany and Saratoga and another county. Then central Syracuse district then Binghampton and southern tier district contracted to coachusa/Trailways along the entire western ny region. Followed by rochester buffalo NW NYS division many lines will be consolidated to create intermediate service to points in between major parts of buffalo and rochester. Some rural lines will get merged.

 

Amtrak will get state funding to increase rail service throughout NYS region providing commuter rail to upstate NY beyond the southern NYS region which will be NYC district. Clearly you know nothing about any of the rural lines in upstate NY but this is NICE I will educate you later in another thread.

[VWM]

nassau county is $310,000,000 in debt, WE DONT HAVE THE MONEY

 

joe

 

We haven't heard that one before.

[Burrstone]

One trailways ALSO runs the bus networks in onieda,otsego,herkimer,lewis,madison and most of delaware. OK so if you insist on state run bus network I would give the long distance lines and rural lines to TrailwaysNY and CoachUSA their lines will forge the regional intercity-division. Then the city division will involve NYC metro area and LI and SL/trailways will have a cross-honoring type system for travel within the NYC district. Westchester and putnam will be part of NYC north and dutchess and ulster/orange the southern tier regional district some dutchess lines will be jointly run by CTDOT and NYSDOT. Then there will be the albany city capital district responsible for montgomery and Albany and Saratoga and another county. Then central Syracuse district then Binghampton and southern tier district contracted to coachusa/Trailways along the entire western ny region. Followed by rochester buffalo NW NYS division many lines will be consolidated to create intermediate service to points in between major parts of buffalo and rochester. Some rural lines will get merged.

 

Amtrak will get state funding to increase rail service throughout NYS region providing commuter rail to upstate NY beyond the southern NYS region which will be NYC district. Clearly you know nothing about any of the rural lines in upstate NY but this is NICE I will educate you later in another thread.

 

Jesus christ! I am talking about a STATE RUN TRANSIT SYSTEM and you are talking about trailways, a private company, I want this to have nothing to do with private companies doing this for profit. When I say state run I mean state run, not giving subsidies to trailways, can you comprehend that?

 

Trailways (at least NY Trailways) is nothing more than Greyhound's bitch being allowed the privilege of being able to "serve" rural area's that greyhound doesn't want to mess with anymore and feed them into greyhounds system, and help greyhound with running certain lines. They do this because they feel they can't compete with Greyhound (even all I think they can) and a friendly relationship and being fed is better than being sent out to pasture while you watch the big guys with unlimited resources pick up your passengers as you die little by little.

 

Trailways is stuck in the 50's and 60's and you want to feed them money to run state transit lines? lmao! The only thing trailways has done relevant in the recently is NEON, in conjunction with Greyhound, Hmmm.

 

So before you continue to give me a cocky attitude, telling me (what you assume) I don't understand and that you'll educate me you better get your head out of your ass. I posted very little and you want to use assume what I do and don't know on the subject and use it to be cocky to make it look like you have all the answers?

 

For your information I have done much research on intracity bus travel. What you are proosing is what killled a lot of companies and you want the State to fund it? LMAO, you are built for politics, you already have the thinking down. I have research BoltBus and MegaBus extensively when they first started service in the NYC area. I have also done many business plans and SWOT analysis' on transit systems (bus service) that would be owned by private companies servicing counties in the Finger Lakes area of Upstate, NY. I also have done great research into my baby, an intracity bus company running trips between NYC (and un named cities Upstate) that are under served. I've even Business plans and SWOT's for NYC to Boston and DC service, as well as Long Island (and NJ) service to casino's . This is what I do for fun, so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about!

 

Upstate, NY needs transit service, Upstate is dying and it's partly due to a lack of public transportation. I am not talking about intracity service connecting places like Rochester and Buffalo with service from trailways buses 3-4 times a day. These people need public transportation buses that come every hour or hour and a half to take people to work and the doctors, these small towns need to connected by a bus system.

[Burrstone]

RGRTA must agree with my opinions because in the past half of a decade they have started transit service in Rural NY counties, google it, Educate yourself before you tell me you'll educate me!

 

However the people of Upstate, NY need more than transit service that runs mon-fri 8-4 or 9-5, all they are doing is shuttling the unemployed, welafre ppl, elderly, and disabled to doctors appointments.

[qjtransitmaster]

RGRTA must agree with my opinions because in the past half of a decade they have started transit service in Rural NY counties, google it, Educate yourself before you tell me you'll educate me!

 

However the people of Upstate, NY need more than transit service that runs mon-fri 8-4 or 9-5, all they are doing is shuttling the unemployed, welafre ppl, elderly, and disabled to doctors appointments.

 

I KNOW THAT I MASTERED NYS I have their bus map I saw all their services I used em this summer do not dare insult me like I don't know jack this is nyc transitforums so I haven't said much about upstate services. You know nothing about me don't go thinking I don't know didly. Trailways birnie RUNs most rural services in central NYS. Know me first before assuming you know cause that attitude of ignoring intercity bus leads to duplicate copy lines in a long run you end up paying MORE to run the same service. Your forgetting that NYS does have intercity grants to improve rural service and trailways is a part of that network. I am way more educated about transit systems than you realize. Howevrr your last sentence you are VERY RIGHT I AGREE with that they need more than 8-4. especially for those commuting to rochester from livingston county and ect. BUT do you have an idea how empty some of these places are?

[qjtransitmaster]

one more thing RGRTA runs very limited service out there and trailways does not serve those areas.

[Burrstone]

I didn't read most of your crap and I'm certainly not going to argue your theoretical lines with mine, I have real things to do. ...and LMAO at you being a master of NYS,,, Studying maps doesn't make you a master of anything just someone who sy=tudies maps.

 

I KNOW THAT I MASTERED NYS I have their bus map I saw all their services I used em this summer do not dare insult me like I don't know jack this is nyc transitforums so I haven't said much about upstate services. You know nothing about me don't go thinking I don't know didly. Trailways birnie RUNs most rural services in central NYS. Know me first before assuming you know cause that attitude of ignoring intercity bus leads to duplicate copy lines in a long run you end up paying MORE to run the same service. Your forgetting that NYS does have intercity grants to improve rural service and trailways is a part of that network. I am way more educated about transit systems than you realize. Howevrr your last sentence you are VERY RIGHT I AGREE with that they need more than 8-4. especially for those commuting to rochester from livingston county and ect. BUT do you have an idea how empty some of these places are?

 

 

Hmm, how funny it is that you tell me not to insult you and that I know nothing about you. That is exactly what you did to me in your last post in this thread. So you can do it to others but tell people they better not do it you? LOL grow up a little bit!

 

Clearly you know nothing about any of the rural lines in upstate NY but this is NICE I will educate you later in another thread.

 

[Burrstone]

. Howevrr your last sentence you are VERY RIGHT I AGREE with that they need more than 8-4. especially for those commuting to rochester from livingston county and ect. BUT do you have an idea how empty some of these places are?

 

 

You did it again, I do know things about upstate Counties, Livingston not so much but if you are interested I can tell you about my "mall to mall" shuttle... An idea I had making TRANSIT SERVICE between the Arnot Mall in Horse Heads, NY to the EastView Mall in Victor, NY, then the idea came to route the bus from the EastView Mall to the trailways/grehound depot in Rochester. It's been a couple of years since I've thought about this I thought they were going to make a big RGRTA transfer center there so that is why I wanted to end the bus there. This has now evolved into 3 to 4 routes (the original broken up and a couple others started.)

 

The biggest problem is changings people thinking of the bus in rural upstate ny, "why would I take the bus when I can drive,,," "the bus is for poor people."

 

If we make a new thread about upstate ny proposed routes I'll post the route info and my estimates of what I think I could run the service for.

[qjtransitmaster]

I didn't read most of your crap and I'm certainly not going to argue your theoretical lines with mine, I have real things to do. ...and LMAO at you being a master of NYS,,, Studying maps doesn't make you a master of anything just someone who sy=tudies maps.

 

 

 

Hmm, how funny it is that you tell me not to insult you and that I know nothing about you. That is exactly what you did to me in your last post in this thread. So you can do it to others but tell people they better not do it you? LOL grow up a little bit!

 

you didn't read which is why you don't know. I used most systems in UPSTATE NY SO I DO know what I am talking about your mall route is in fact a good idea I am well aware of trailwaysNY's limits. I like your attitude toward transit but state run is inpractical due to geographical area. I will post upstate intercity ideas for CENTRAL NY Rural I do believe centro can absorb some lines into their own. But the southern tier and counties whose bus systems are run by birnie bus should get powered ip shortline service and new converged intercity lines to serve a greater market. Do not call my post crap without reading as I read your posts and expect you to do the same.

 

 

Let me guess it goes via penn yan doesn't it?

[Burrstone]

Yes, it goes via Penn Yan, how did you know? Actually, Arnot Mall, Watkins Glenn, Dundee, Penn Yan, Geneva, Canandaigua, Victor, Eastview Mall, Rochester (wherever they built the RGRTA transit center).

 

This has evolved into the route being broken up A) Arnot Mall <---> Geneva (with possible route variations possibly every other bus bypassing Dundee & Penn Yan and staying on 14 to Geneva and every other bus hitting 14A to Dundee and Penn Yan, then to Geneva. (Dundee and Penn Yan to Geneva (or Watkins, Dundee, Penn Yan, Geneva) could be a total independent line, but considering the population in that area and the fact that this is a small bus line there is no need for that, plus it doesn't much more time to route the buses through Dundee and Penn Yan which are lacking any type of transit service.

 

B) Geneva <---> Eastview Mall Via Routes 5&20, via Canandaigua and Victor. Then We have an option of routing every bus to the RGRTA transfer in Rochester, every other bus? Create a new line? Right now with the size of the system I'd say route every other bus to Rochester

 

C). Syracuse Transit center (Amtrak, Greyhound, CENTRO (local bus) <---> Geneva VIA ROUTE 5.... Hitting up all the small towns on route 5. This route is a new thought for me, arguments could be made to route the bus a majority of the way on the thruway or keeping it local on route 5, maybe end it at Auburn and great Geneva <---> Auburn and Auburn <---> Syracuse to break up the long route.

 

I would run these buses closed door in area's where the RGRTA and CENTRO serves only making one or two stops per stops in "their" towns to keep a good working relationship.

 

Not including the Geneva to auburn line I estimate I could run these routes offering service either every hour or every 1.5 hours (playing around with that depending on ridership per line) 6am to 10pm for $100,000 per year (not including buying/leasing buses)! Extra money could be earned with advertisements on and in the buses.

 

You've probably noticed Geneva is a common theme in these routes, not because I have a dying love for the town but because it seems like a nice in the middle place to start and end these routes. With a grant a transfer center could be built, if not we could a dirt lot with a few signs and a few benches. lol

 

Also the bus lines could be broken up but they are not that long and I don't want to discourage riders who are new to public transportation with frequent transfers.

[qjtransitmaster]

Yes, it goes via Penn Yan, how did you know? Actually, Arnot Mall, Watkins Glenn, Dundee, Penn Yan, Geneva, Canandaigua, Victor, Eastview Mall, Rochester (wherever they built the RGRTA transit center).

 

This has evolved into the route being broken up A) Arnot Mall <---> Geneva (with possible route variations possibly every other bus bypassing Dundee & Penn Yan and staying on 14 to Geneva and every other bus hitting 14A to Dundee and Penn Yan, then to Geneva. (Dundee and Penn Yan to Geneva (or Watkins, Dundee, Penn Yan, Geneva) could be a total independent line, but considering the population in that area and the fact that this is a small bus line there is no need for that, plus it doesn't much more time to route the buses through Dundee and Penn Yan which are lacking any type of transit service.

Simple take over Schuyler County transit then extend their line both ways to create your route.

B) Geneva <---> Eastview Mall Via Routes 5&20, via Canandaigua and Victor. Then We have an option of routing every bus to the RGRTA transfer in Rochester, every other bus? Create a new line? Right now with the size of the system I'd say route every other bus to Rochester

Just extend RGRTA 92 line Eastview trips to cover it. So with every other you will deter ridership. Plus you would need to take over CATS first and eliminate their 4 and 3 lines since those lines ALREADY COVER IT!!!!!! Yes bus service there exists already but in consolidated form it's farebox recovery will be higher.

C). Syracuse Transit center (Amtrak, Greyhound, CENTRO (local bus) <---> Geneva VIA ROUTE 5.... Hitting up all the small towns on route 5. This route is a new thought for me, arguments could be made to route the bus a majority of the way on the thruway or keeping it local on route 5, maybe end it at Auburn and great Geneva <---> Auburn and Auburn <---> Syracuse to break up the long route. One more thing again you really don't know as much as you think as a route doing that exists!!! it has 2 trips its called 38!!!

 

CENTRO has an auburn to syracuse line already add service to 38 line extend it to geneva. 38 is routed via 5 and 236 goes via rte 20.

Ohh greyhound already serves geneva from syracuse on some trips.

I would run these buses closed door in area's where the RGRTA and CENTRO serves only making one or two stops per stops in "their" towns to keep a good working relationship. Nope too rural to be closed door you need all the ridership you can get.

 

Not including the Geneva to auburn line I estimate I could run these routes offering service either every hour or every 1.5 hours (playing around with that depending on ridership per line) 6am to 10pm for $100,000 per year (not including buying/leasing buses)! Extra money could be earned with advertisements on and in the buses.

 

You've probably noticed Geneva is a common theme in these routes, not because I have a dying love for the town but because it seems like a nice in the middle place to start and end these routes. With a grant a transfer center could be built, if not we could a dirt lot with a few signs and a few benches. lol

 

Also the bus lines could be broken up but they are not that long and I don't want to discourage riders who are new to public transportation with frequent transfers.

 

Cause you your post is similar to my way of thinking creating unique lines avoiding duplication of existing lines and that is something I would do. Replies in red

 

Problem you really do NOT know the transit service in that part of NYS as well as you think. Cause if you did you would know that bus service there ALREADY EXISTS!!! The lines you propose actually are CENTRO's 236,138 & 38 lines. And Ontario county's bus system CATS lines 3 &4 and 5x!!! Here are the links since this is NICE start a new thread.

 

http://centro.org/20...hedules/236.pdf

 

and http://www.co.ontari...enter/View/1287

 

http://www.co.ontari...ex.aspx?NID=234

 

Looks like YOU are the one who needs education about NYS's transit systems I told you so. But I admire your effort. ARE YOU SURE these towns will need service that late?

 

The combined frequency of 236/138&38 should be enough to create the auburn geneva line

[FamousNYLover]

What this happens to do with Long Island Bus?

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/35329-bee-line-ct-transit-and-northern-suburbs-bus-proposal-thread/page__hl__+proposal%20+dutchess?do=findComment&comment=543981

[Burrstone]

can a mod please move these off topic posts into a topic they would fit in?

 

Simple take over Schuyler County transit then extend their line both ways to create your route.

 

Just extend RGRTA 92 line Eastview trips to cover it. So with every other you will deter ridership. Plus you would need to take over CATS first and eliminate their 4 and 3 lines since those lines ALREADY COVER IT!!!!!! Yes bus service there exists already but in consolidated form it's farebox recovery will be higher.

 

One more thing again you really don't know as much as you think as a route doing that exists!!! it has 2 trips its called 38!!!

 

CENTRO has an auburn to syracuse line already add service to 38 line extend it to geneva. 38 is routed via 5 and 236 goes via rte 20.

Ohh greyhound already serves geneva from syracuse on some trips.

 

 

Simple! LMAO, you're kidding right? What would be simple about taking over Schuyler County's Transit system? These are comments that make you sound unrealistic and childish. Take over a county's transit system? Oh, okay, good idea!

 

Unlike you I don't live in this imaginary world where the answer is to take over a county's transit system. Oh yea, let me extend two transit systems routes. LMAO, get real man!

 

You missed the point, not to play pretend and take over a County's transit system or extend other routes I have no control over. This was a very realistic routes that I would create if I started a transit system to service a part of upstate, ny, mainly Arnot Mall to Geneva and Geneva to Eastview Mall or Rochester. These areas especially those in the middle are very underserved by transit and the lines I have proposed are far superior to the service offered by limited service you mentioned by centro and the RGRTA. In fact you said before residents in these areas need more than service that rund 8-4.

 

Nope too rural to be closed door you need all the ridership you can get.

 

As I already stated I would go closed door where other systems serve "their" area so that I would not step on any toes WITH a couple of stops in that town, transfer to the other bus for local service or load and unload my passengers.

 

CENTRO has an auburn to syracuse line already add service to 38 line extend it to geneva. 38 is routed via 5 and 236 goes via rte 20.

Ohh greyhound already serves geneva from syracuse on some trips.

 

Awesome! If I lived in Syracuse and wanted to take public transit an intra city bus to work I take greyhound, $21 each way a 2 hour 50 minute commute with no delays, after a transfer in Rochester. If I worked at 9am and caught the 6am bus I'd have 10 whole minutes to get to work. God forbid I missed the 6am bus because there is not another bus until the next morning!

 

I couldn't even work 9-5 because the next bus, actually the last bus out of Geneva to Syracuse is 3:40pm. So I could probably only work to 3pm to give my time to wait for the bus bc I wouldn't want to miss the bus as it is the last bus out of Geneva going to Syracuse. If I made $10/hr I'd be spending 70% of my GROSS pay on travel. you are talking about almost 6 hours of travel for a system that would let you a max of 6 hours a day.

 

You can also forget about commuting from Geneva to Syrcuse because the times you get in mixed with the return would never work out.

 

Again, I'm talking about transit service not intra city buses.

And again, you are living in a fantasy world if you think greyhound is any sort of an option besides what it is intended for...

 

ARE YOU SURE these towns will need service that late?

 

Without extensive studies, no.

 

However I want to build a bus service that the people can use, if people are not used to this service I want it to intigue them. Longer hours will do so.

 

These counties also have very high rates of DWI. I read one of the sheriff's offices studies in the proposed service area (this was years ago, so I can't link it, I'm not going to waste my time looking but you can google it if you want for any reason) and one theory DWI rates were so high was because of a lack of public transportation, thinking someone . So in reality I would love to have the service go later if the funding was there.

 

I could care less the farebox recovery ratio on my system. This is a baby system and needs to be nurtured, residents need to get used to it, be aware of it, and finally USE IT. You cannot care about a farebox recovery ratio for a new system like this, it will be piss poor. A good farebox recovery ratio is the least important thing when it starts, and for years to come. For all I car we could not have fareboxes and give the pax a free ride and find another way to count ridership. These buses will rely on funding from the local counties, state, and federal governments as well as ads on the bus. Again you missed the point, go figure.

 

Looks like YOU are the one who needs education about NYS's transit systems I told you so. But I admire your effort. ARE YOU SURE these towns will need service that late?

One more thing again you really don't know as much as you think as a route doing that exists!!! it has 2 trips its called 38!!!

qjtransitmaster, doesn't think I know much. I must now go in the corner and lower my head in shame. qjtransitmaster

[qjtransitmaster]

can a mod please move these off topic posts into a topic they would fit in?

 

 

 

 

Simple! LMAO, you're kidding right? What would be simple about taking over Schuyler County's Transit system? These are comments that make you sound unrealistic and childish. Take over a county's transit system? Oh, okay, good idea!

Isn't that what your STATE-RUN idea is like?

Unlike you I don't live in this imaginary world where the answer is to take over a county's transit system. Oh yea, let me extend two transit systems routes. LMAO, get real man! You truly are not aware of the history of CENTRO/RGRTA are you?

You missed the point, not to play pretend and take over a County's transit system or extend other routes I have no control over. This was a very realistic routes that I would create if I started a transit system to service a part of upstate, ny, mainly Arnot Mall to Geneva and Geneva to Eastview Mall or Rochester. These areas especially those in the middle are very underserved by transit and the lines I have proposed are far superior to the service offered by limited service you mentioned by centro and the RGRTA. In fact you said before residents in these areas need more than service that rund 8-4 you truly don't know history MAN RGRTA has more ability than you think FYI one of their systems used to be by itself. Rome and Utica were NOT always part of CENTRO therefore making your argument irrelevant about me not knowing so fail.

 

 

As I already stated I would go closed door where other systems serve "their" area so that I would not step on any toes WITH a couple of stops in that town, transfer to the other bus for local service or load and unload my passengers.

 

 

 

Awesome! If I lived in Syracuse and wanted to take public transit an intra city bus to work I take greyhound, $21 each way a 2 hour 50 minute commute with no delays, after a transfer in Rochester. If I worked at 9am and caught the 6am bus I'd have 10 whole minutes to get to work. God forbid I missed the 6am bus because there is not another bus until the next morning!

 

I couldn't even work 9-5 because the next bus, actually the last bus out of Geneva to Syracuse is 3:40pm. So I could probably only work to 3pm to give my time to wait for the bus bc I wouldn't want to miss the bus as it is the last bus out of Geneva going to Syracuse. If I made $10/hr I'd be spending 70% of my GROSS pay on travel. you are talking about almost 6 hours of travel for a system that would let you a max of 6 hours a day.

 

You can also forget about commuting from Geneva to Syrcuse because the times you get in mixed with the return would never work out.

 

Again, I'm talking about transit service not intra city buses. simple improve CENTRO's 236/138 cause that IS CENTRO's service area!!!!

And again, you are living in a fantasy world if you think greyhound is any sort of an option besides what it is intended for...

No problem bro improve CENTRO as that is CENTRO's inter-city area.

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Without extensive studies, no.

 

However I want to build a bus service that the people can use, if people are not used to this service I want it to intigue them. Longer hours will do so.want an instafix improve hours on the 5x 3 and 4 !!!!

 

These counties also have very high rates of DWI. I read one of the sheriff's offices studies in the proposed service area (this was years ago, so I can't link it, I'm not going to waste my time looking but you can google it if you want for any reason) and one theory DWI rates were so high was because of a lack of public transportation, thinking someone . So in reality I would love to have the service go later if the funding was there.

 

I could care less the farebox recovery ratio on my system. This is a baby system and needs to be nurtured, residents need to get used to it, be aware of it, and finally USE IT. You cannot care about a farebox recovery ratio for a new system like this, it will be piss poor. A good farebox recovery ratio is the least important thing when it starts, and for years to come. For all I car we could not have fareboxes and give the pax a free ride and find another way to count ridership. These buses will rely on funding from the local counties, state, and federal governments as well as ads on the bus. Again you missed the point, go figure.

 

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qjtransitmaster, doesn't think I know much. I must now go in the corner and lower my head in shame. qjtransitmaster dude it's the truth

 

ERR CHILDISH I AM NOT But as evidenced by stuben county and southern tier letting transit systems work together and perfect and improve the existing systems will do wonders here. Like enhancing CENTRO's 236/138 and having it be convenient for geneva to syracuse people via small extension or introduce an express variant called 536 geneva syracuse express via auburn. Wrong you just aren't thinking about ALL OPTIONS. Livingston used to have it's own system before RGRTA took it over It may be beneficial for CATS to be part of the RGRTA MOD send my post to this thread http://www.nyctransi...ess#entry543981

 

Instead of proposing new lines try rallying for the existing lines to improve instead it will cost the state much less to improve CENTRO and CATS than these new routes you propose!!! Cause again you need authorization to run transit in these service areas from these counties as it is the area of those networks you must live in a fantasy world if you think it will be easy to run new lines in areas served by existing transit systems. Try getting gov't attention to improve the transit systems there to at least 9 or 10 PM getting existing systems to work together is more realistic than creating a new system within a county that needs improvement to their system instead of saying ohh my lines are better than your invalid argument. No offence I like your goals and intentions but you do need to think a bit I am intrigued to know more about your NYS view.

[Grand Concourse]

Why'd you 'like' his post if all he basically did was call you out on your 'ideas'?

[qjtransitmaster]

Why'd you 'like' his post if all he basically did was call you out on your 'ideas'?

 

he showed his opinion for wanting more service there which is my view besides my ideas were realistic and easier to implement. Most call outs are nothing more than BS without research into the systems there and NYS in general I doubt there are many here who know as much about NYS systems as CDTA and I. Which was why I don't speak much about em.

 

So since you like do you like anybody who calls me out for no reason or do you actually believe it makes more financial sense to create a new closed door network within ontario county than it is to improve existing service?

 

Does it make sense to create a whole new line from geneva to syracuse via auburn and think NYS should fund this over adding funds to existing CENTRO's 236 to improve that line to create the desired service levels

 

Tell me which is more financially sensible?

 

WELL?

[Burrstone]

he showed his opinion for wanting more service there which is my view besides my ideas were realistic and easier to implement.

simple improve CENTRO's 236/138 cause that IS CENTRO's service area!!!!

No problem bro improve CENTRO as that is CENTRO's inter-city area.

.want an instafix improve hours on the 5x 3 and 4 !!!!

Instead of proposing new lines try rallying for the existing lines to improve instead it will cost the state much less to improve CENTRO and CATS than these new routes you propose!!! Cause again you need authorization to run transit in these service areas from these counties as it is the area of those networks you must live in a fantasy world if you think it will be easy to run new lines in areas served by existing transit systems.

 

First, I'd be interested in seeing what law states I must have these counties permission to run transit service in these areas!?! I'd ideally have their blessing and hopefully funding from the counties but as far as I know as long as my buses are registered, insured, DOT inspected, and have a DOT number I can run any bus on (appropriate) road in the nation.

 

Second, You do realize (once I take the appropriate steps and get funding) I REALISTICALLY HAVE THE POWER to stat such a transit system and run whatever lines my heart desired. In the real word I REALISTICALLY HAVE NO POWER to implement any service changes to any agency you have said.

 

You said my ideas are not realistic but, I'm not sure if you know what is realistic is! I could realistically get funding and do what I proposed but neither of us could do what you call realistic.

 

Isn't that what your STATE-RUN idea is like?

 

Yes and no. Ideally a state run transit would restructure routes... BUT you are confusing apples and oranges! I think there should be a state run transit system but I have no power to create a state run transit, I realistically have the power to start the system and run the lines I proposed. These are two different things.

 

Like enhancing CENTRO's 236/138 and having it be convenient for geneva to syracuse people via small extension or introduce an express variant called 536 geneva syracuse express via auburn. Wrong you just aren't thinking about ALL OPTIONS. Livingston used to have it's own system before RGRTA took it over It may be beneficial for CATS to be part of the RGR

 

CATS is run by First Transit.

 

I do like the idea of the express route called the 536, out of curiosity how did you chose that number?

 

You need to forget about the line through Syracuse because you are going on and on and as I said before that was the latest addition, and not much was put into it.

 

There is a lot more benefit to my proposals but want to skim over that and harp on CENTRO service from Syracuse to Auburn.

 

If RGRTA does start service in Yates County as they discussing I hope they do connect all of their routes or implement service as I suggested at least from Dundee and Penn Yan connecting to their Rochester lines. Ideally RGRTA, CATS, and Chemung sharing services and funds would be ideal, but will probably never happen.

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First, I'd be interested in seeing what law states I must have these counties permission to run transit service in these areas!?! I'd ideally have their blessing and hopefully funding from the counties but as far as I know as long as my buses are registered, insured, DOT inspected, and have a DOT number I can run any bus on (appropriate) road in the nation.

OK but if the county has money they can simply strengthen their own services. However I have a feeling you want to create intercity routes.

Second, You do realize (once I take the appropriate steps and get funding) I REALISTICALLY HAVE THE POWER to stat such a transit system and run whatever lines my heart desired. In the real word I REALISTICALLY HAVE NO POWER to implement any service changes to any agency you have said. WHO EXACTLY ARE YOU? PM me I am getting a vibe you are more than you are letting on. I want to know more about you but need your name first you sound like some regional planner and can help me with some things.

You said my ideas are not realistic but, I'm not sure if you know what is realistic is! I could realistically get funding and do what I proposed but neither of us could do what you call realistic.

 

 

 

Yes and no. Ideally a state run transit would restructure routes... BUT you are confusing apples and oranges! I think there should be a state run transit system but I have no power to create a state run transit, I realistically have the power to start the system and run the lines I proposed. These are two different things.

 

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CATS is run by First Transit.

True But CATS may be able to enhance service if the counties have funding for you why will they not instead choose to enhance CATS to provide the service you are describing?

I do like the idea of the express route called the 536, out of curiosity how did you chose that number? Simple CENTRO's outer express lines usually carry a 500s number so based on the trend for CENTRO's numbering I came up with 536 for 236/138 to geneva I would make em 536 or 538 and absorb parts of auburn's local en rte to I-90. Ohh there is a night shift express to auburn I heard of.

 

You need to forget about the line through Syracuse because you are going on and on and as I said before that was the latest addition, and not much was put into it.

 

There is a lot more benefit to my proposals but want to skim over that and harp on CENTRO service from Syracuse to Auburn.

True based on your style there may be indirect linkage benefits.

If RGRTA does start service in Yates County as they discussing I hope they do connect all of their routes or implement service as I suggested at least from Dundee and Penn Yan connecting to their Rochester lines. Ideally RGRTA, CATS, and Chemung sharing services and funds would be ideal, but will probably never happen Don't underestimate em I talked with transit people at a intercity bus summit. And if what happened with stuben and chemung and ect is any indication then yes RGRTA may be able to share with CATS and perfect their regional lines. Cemung not so sure.

 

Actually if you have figures based on research and a full case to present to elected officials they can get funding and improve the existing services to create what you are looking for. I am simply saying what is stopping them from doing the same thing? You are peaking my interest.