RhythmNBlues Posted October 7, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2014 The 5 train (Dyre Avenue) line runs right into a main drag (Allerton Avenue). Why is no station built there?! Has it ever been in the plans? I don't understand why it just runs from Gun Hill to Pelham Parkway without a station at Allerton Avenue!! That area is primed for heavy ridership!! Walking to Gun Hill Road or Pelham Parkway from Allerton certainly cannot be a pleasure every morning and rush hour for folks. Just add a new station and it will be flooding with riders! A win-win for the MTA and its riders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 7, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 7, 2014 The line was brought from the NY&B railroad and uses the same stations that was originally there with some modifications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 7, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 7, 2014 The Gun Hill Road station on the Dyre line is too close to Allerton Avenue to justify having a station there. It isn't needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted October 7, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 7, 2014 The (5)er is nice n quick as is, and doesn't need any more stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted October 17, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 17, 2014 Again with this Allerton on the Dyre line thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted October 17, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 17, 2014 Seems that people are not used to thinking out of the box around here. Sorry if it makes your head hurt. Gun Hill Road is a short walk from Allerton Avenue....not even 10 minutes away from each other. I've walked it, it's pointless. Go out there and see it for yourself if you don't believe any of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted October 17, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 17, 2014 That's not the point. Allerton Avenue is a main drag and should have had a stop. It was proposed in 1949 but fell through. It's a main drag, but if there's not that many people getting off at Gun Hill Road, why bother making an Allerton Avenue Station literally a minute apart from the Gun Hill Road Station? With that logic, we'd have a lot more unnecessary stations than we have now. It's a complete waste of money and manpower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted October 17, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 17, 2014 To ease the load of people at Gun Hill. If say the MTA decides to upgrade the Gun Hill Road Station itself on the WPR then that would be the way to go to meet higher ridership demands, it can be done. Building a completely new station altogether although a nice proposal will not work because the rate of passenger usage will not bring in enough fare collection revenue for operating costs. So as everyone else said its too expensive. Plus you dont want to invite any opportunity for increased dwell times by having an additional station on an already very busy line, that will cause slowdowns and delays for a variety of other reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted October 17, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 17, 2014 To ease the load of people at Gun Hill. What load? You're overestimating the ridership at that station. It's the Gun Hill Road station over on the line that gets a load, much more than that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted October 17, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 17, 2014 Seems that people are not used to thinking out of the box around here. Sorry if it makes your head hurt. It's not about thinking outside the box. It's about one unless proposal after another. There is no need for an Allerton Avenue station on the Dyre line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 17, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 17, 2014 To ease the load of people at Gun Hill. Gun Hill Rd on the is ranked 258th (out of 421) in passenger counts. Gun Hill Rd on the is ranked 205th in passenger counts. Its not as bad as you're making it out to be, as both are ranked in the middle of the passenger count list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 17, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 17, 2014 The proposal is foam, a poor joke. Gun Hill Road station is about 1 train length from the Allerton Avenue underpass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted October 17, 2014 Share #13 Posted October 17, 2014 The proposal is foam, a poor joke. Gun Hill Road station is about 1 train length from the Allerton Avenue underpass. Yeah I know. Thats why I didnt really read into this thread too much other than by posting my usual mindless musings and ramblings on transit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted October 18, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 18, 2014 The proposal is foam, a poor joke. Gun Hill Road station is about 1 train length from the Allerton Avenue underpass. If I had to wager a guess, these recurring ideas about a Allerton Av station on the Dyre branch stem from a quick glance at the subway map. While the map is somewhat geographically accurate, the distance between the Gun Hill Rd station and Allerton Ave is not as large as it's depicted on the official map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 18, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 18, 2014 If I had to wager a guess, these recurring ideas about a Allerton Av station on the Dyre branch stem from a quick glance at the subway map. While the map is somewhat geographically accurate, the distance between the Gun Hill Rd station and Allerton Ave is not as large as it's depicted on the official map. Every time I see a similar post I come to the same conclusion. Gun Hill Road on the line has stops at Burke Avenue and Allerton Avenue before the Pelham Parkway stop. The street layout east of the line is not the same by the time you reach the line. There used to be a hand throw switch just south of Allerton on the Dyre line. When we ran G.O.s at that location we would climb down the embankment to Allerton for food or refreshments or walk the tracks to Gun Hill Road station for food or the rest room. I've seen school kids, and some adults climb the embankment and walk back to the station just to beat the fare. From that spot (Allerton) it's actually a longer walk to the Pelham Parkway station on the Esplanade. To those who aren't familiar with the exact location just think of the distance between Bowling Green and Wall Street on the n/b Lexington and trains. Those stations were built when the IRT ran 5 car trains while the Dyre line has railroad spacing. FWIW if they built 2 10 story apartment buildings where the Dyre line crosses Allerton Avenue instead of the current playground and gas station on either side of the ROW it still wouldn't justify building a station there. That's my personal opinion and I'd bet the would agree with me Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 18, 2014 Share #16 Posted October 18, 2014 What I see right of the bat, is that when you have a line cutting diagonally across a grid like that, the actual distance between stations or from a given point to the nearest station is further than it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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