Union Tpke Posted November 20, 2014 Share #1 Posted November 20, 2014 2020 Next year (July 2015)... another round of SMS that the R44 cars badly needed. ( about 18 month SMS program ). They will hire more people to fix these old cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted November 21, 2014 Share #2 Posted November 21, 2014 IMO they should just get rid of them, they're done, its gonna cost alot of money to SMS those things, alot of rust they have to replace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted November 21, 2014 IMO they should just get rid of them, they're done, its gonna cost alot of money to SMS those things, alot of rust they have to replace yeah and then there would be no cars for SIR, oh yeh they have a few locomotives or use some NJ Transit equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodside7878 Posted November 22, 2014 Share #4 Posted November 22, 2014 yeah and then there would be no cars for SIR, oh yeh they have a few locomotives or use some NJ Transit equipment. Not NJ Transit, the MTA would use their MNR equipment that's if there is extras lying around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfer2Nowhere Posted November 23, 2014 Share #5 Posted November 23, 2014 yeah and then there would be no cars for SIR, oh yeh they have a few locomotives or use some NJ Transit equipment. You can't have equipment of that caliber running on a train people could just get on or off for free. They'd block all the aisles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted November 23, 2014 You can't have equipment of that caliber running on a train people could just get on or off for free. They'd block all the aisles. I was being sarcastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 24, 2014 Share #7 Posted November 24, 2014 I was being sarcastic! But I agree with this post though, this R-179 order is taking way too long. The least they could do is send some R68s over or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 25, 2014 Share #8 Posted November 25, 2014 Then what replaces the R68s for the subway? The subway is short cars to begin with. They can't afford to lose any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 25, 2014 Share #9 Posted November 25, 2014 Then what replaces the R68s for the subway? The subway is short cars to begin with. They can't afford to lose any more. Damn, the MTA sure did screw up, didn't they.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 26, 2014 Share #10 Posted November 26, 2014 No, the R44s were beyond their control. It just meant that they had to keep the older cars like the R32s and R42s around longer. But the point is, the subway system cannot afford to give SI their cars to replace the SI R44s. SI either has to find a way to keep them around longer or look elsewhere for replacement cars. They could perhaps look to LIRR for some M3s if it's worth running those over their own R44s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 26, 2014 Share #11 Posted November 26, 2014 No, the R44s were beyond their control. It just meant that they had to keep the older cars like the R32s and R42s around longer. But the point is, the subway system cannot afford to give SI their cars to replace the SI R44s. SI either has to find a way to keep them around longer or look elsewhere for replacement cars. They could perhaps look to LIRR for some M3s if it's worth running those over their own R44s. Wow, that is a really sucky situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodside7878 Posted November 26, 2014 Share #12 Posted November 26, 2014 No, the R44s were beyond their control. It just meant that they had to keep the older cars like the R32s and R42s around longer. But the point is, the subway system cannot afford to give SI their cars to replace the SI R44s. SI either has to find a way to keep them around longer or look elsewhere for replacement cars. They could perhaps look to LIRR for some M3s if it's worth running those over their own R44s. The MTA can't send those cars to Staten Island for the replacement of the SIR R44. The time to send M3 to SIR is not a vital option since the LIRR needs all of the rail cars for rush hour service and the time when the east access project opens to service. If LIRR has extra cars to temporarily become the SIR fleet, the M3 should able to run on the R44 dimensions since those cars are 10ft difference in car length. R44 is 75ft and M3 is 85ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 26, 2014 Share #13 Posted November 26, 2014 The MTA can't send those cars to Staten Island for the replacement of the SIR R44. The time to send M3 to SIR is not a vital option since the LIRR needs all of the rail cars for rush hour service and the time when the east access project opens to service. If LIRR has extra cars to temporarily become the SIR fleet, the M3 should able to run on the R44 dimensions since those cars are 10ft difference in car length. R44 is 75ft and M3 is 85ft. Interesting, I never knew that. I thought they were all 75ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 26, 2014 Share #14 Posted November 26, 2014 The MTA can't send those cars to Staten Island for the replacement of the SIR R44. The time to send M3 to SIR is not a vital option since the LIRR needs all of the rail cars for rush hour service and the time when the east access project opens to service. If LIRR has extra cars to temporarily become the SIR fleet, the M3 should able to run on the R44 dimensions since those cars are 10ft difference in car length. R44 is 75ft and M3 is 85ft. Ok, fair enough, was not aware LIRR needed that many cars around. My point was SI isn't getting cars from the subway since we are short as is. As for the length difference I know the M3s are longer, but some SIRT platforms can handle a 5 car R44 train. What I think I forgot now was somewhere near the terminal at St George can't handle cars longer than 75'. But yes SI will have to keep the R44s running till the R211 order is ever ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1995 Orion V CNG Posted November 26, 2014 Share #15 Posted November 26, 2014 Ok, fair enough, was not aware LIRR needed that many cars around. My point was SI isn't getting cars from the subway since we are short as is. As for the length difference I know the M3s are longer, but some SIRT platforms can handle a 5 car R44 train. What I think I forgot now was somewhere near the terminal at St George can't handle cars longer than 75'. But yes SI will have to keep the R44s running till the R211 order is ever ready. Personally, I think a fleet expansion is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan1 Posted December 28, 2014 Share #16 Posted December 28, 2014 64 new cars are on the way but no specific design or delivery information yet. http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/09/mta_capital_budget_to_include.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted January 5, 2015 Share #17 Posted January 5, 2015 It says hand-me-downs. That's a good idea. So once R68s are reaching the end of their lives, hand them down to SIR until they really have to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted January 9, 2015 Share #18 Posted January 9, 2015 Problem is it's wrong, SIRTOA has never had "hand me downs", save for a few loaner MP72s before the MUE-2s arrived. They have another 6 years before they are as old as the MUE-1s were when they were replaced. The confusion probability is routed in them never having their own car design, everything is based on the subway. MUE-1s were based on the AB Standards and the MUE-2s are modified R44s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted January 10, 2015 Share #19 Posted January 10, 2015 SIR has the BL-20 Engines from Brookville, the same style as Metro North's. Now if they had HEP Capabilities, Metro North could probably send any surplus Bombardier cars (1st generation) across for help (since we are on the subject of 85 foot cars) Only a suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted January 10, 2015 Share #20 Posted January 10, 2015 they don't need them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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