Kamen Rider Posted September 5, 2013 Share #1026 Posted September 5, 2013 And a kink at Carrol St... and a bigger curve at 67th street... and it ends up merging with 5th ave right where the BMT ends. So I guess it's really not straight at all... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 5, 2013 Share #1027 Posted September 5, 2013 4th Av may curve, but nothing too exaggerated besides the turn after Shore Rd. The map posted has the line travelling southwest between 9th and 36th, and a 90 degree angle just south of 36th, which doesn't exist in real life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted September 5, 2013 Share #1028 Posted September 5, 2013 Most schematic maps tend to stick to 45 and 90 degree angles and roughly equal spacing between stations. On the real MTA maps, those are only used where the real tracks roughly follow those angles, cause it's geographic. And even then the geography is skewed to better depict the system. Manhattan is thin and narrow, not in any shape like it is in the real world. Go look at the official London tube map. Then go look at a geographically based one. On both maps, find Wimbledon on the District Line, and then find South Wimbeldon on the Northern Line. If you look at the official map, they look like they're miles apart. If you look at the geographical map, you'd discover in reality, they're not even a mile apart, and that's following the streets. Walking wouldn't even take 20 minutes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 5, 2013 Share #1029 Posted September 5, 2013 Most schematic maps tend to stick to 45 and 90 degree angles and roughly equal spacing between stations. On the real MTA maps, those are only used where the real tracks roughly follow those angles, cause it's geographic. And even then the geography is skewed to better depict the system. Manhattan is thin and narrow, not in any shape like it is in the real world. Go look at the official London tube map. Then go look at a geographically based one. On both maps, find Wimbledon on the District Line, and then find South Wimbeldon on the Northern Line. If you look at the official map, they look like they're miles apart. If you look at the geographical map, you'd discover in reality, they're not even a mile apart, and that's following the streets. Walking wouldn't even take 20 minutes. Yes, but (and this is particularly true in a grid-based city such as hours) you only introduce 45 and 90 degree curves where actually appropriate - London and Paris get away with so much because they don't run under actual grids. A general rule of thumb is to only put things in grid-based schematics where things actually happen - if 50th and 7th is east of 50th and 8th, then that should be reflected in the map as well. Likewise, 4th Av should not be curving so much in such an exaggerated way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted September 5, 2013 Share #1030 Posted September 5, 2013 What I'm saying is official maps, made by transit providers,have taken geographic reality and tossed it out the window. Even the current MTA maps. Not as bad as they used to be granted, but in relation to one another is the key. He hasn't placed 50th and broadway west of 50th and 8th. Fussing about how a fantasy map is drawn seems kinda pointless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alargule Posted September 6, 2013 Share #1031 Posted September 6, 2013 'Messy' is the first word that springs to mind when I look at his proposal. Yes, I do like the idea of more lines into Queens, a four-track trunk line underneath Second Avenue and I also like the reasoning behind the various crosstown proposals. But there's so much interweaving/interference going on between all those lines...it would allow for flexible routing options and many one-seat rides. However, all service frequencies of lines running along the same stretch of track would have to be synchronized, which could lead to too many trains along one stretch and too few along another stretch, without any possibility to adjust the frequency of single routes appropiately. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted September 7, 2013 Share #1032 Posted September 7, 2013 The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain... Montgomery Scott, "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted September 8, 2013 Share #1033 Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) A (U) from queens to the bronx? Closed the tab and laughed. You mean that P line.... But yeah, OMG, I looked at that P line & said to myself "what the f***k is this shit"..... Far rockaway, via IND fulton, via south ferry, via 2nd av, running east-west in the southern portion of the bronx to throgs neck? The Lex already has 3 lines & this guy's running four lines on the 2nd av line... Also, four lines along fulton av (brooklyn)..... smh.... His newer maps are a lot better, but if you don't like a lot of foam then I'd suggest not looking at it. wish I would've saw this warning sooner.... Edited September 8, 2013 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alargule Posted September 9, 2013 Share #1034 Posted September 9, 2013 The more they over think the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain... Montgomery Scott, "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock" If my grrrandmotherrr had wheels, she'd be a wagon! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bonnetd0201 Posted September 10, 2013 Share #1035 Posted September 10, 2013 How about a shuttle that runs from Whitehall to old south ferry Both stations been rehabilitated and the connections are in place Whitehall is a 5 to 10 minute walk but in the winter it can be a pain And why waste money closing this station down when it's in great condition and Whitehall is dusty but can work 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 10, 2013 Share #1036 Posted September 10, 2013 How about a shuttle that runs from Whitehall to old south ferry Both stations been rehabilitated and the connections are in place Whitehall is a 5 to 10 minute walk but in the winter it can be a pain And why waste money closing this station down when it's in great condition and Whitehall is dusty but can work One, car length and safety due to curves. Two, you're referring to the wrong station - Whitehall has a physical passageway to South Ferry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bonnetd0201 Posted September 12, 2013 Share #1037 Posted September 12, 2013 Sorry was referring to Bowling Green Restoring the shuttle once New South Ferry is completed again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 12, 2013 Share #1038 Posted September 12, 2013 Why? Bowling Green and South Ferry are within relatively easy walking distance of each other. It might be faster to walk between the two stations than to go downstairs and wait for a shuttle train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1039 Posted September 13, 2013 Plus, nobody would use that shuttle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1040 Posted September 13, 2013 they should extend the to the instead of having the hassle to wait for a Shuttle or paying another MetroCard $2.75 Trip 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1041 Posted September 13, 2013 and the extension to LaGuardia Airport and Astoria Blvd LaGuardia Airport Q72 to Rego Park and at Junction Blvd 94th Street Junction- Northern Blvd Q72 to Rego Park Warren-93rd Street Transfer to at Junction Blvd Corona Ave Flushing-Meadows Park (Hall of Science) College Point- Transfer to at Main Street My route is easier than waiting for a long time to catch the Q72 Rego Park/LaGuardia bus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1042 Posted September 13, 2013 Does anyone think the service should make a comeback? Maybe when Cordlandt WTC Reopens, should the restore the line? I think they should make a comeback. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1043 Posted September 13, 2013 Does anyone think the service should make a comeback? Maybe when Cordlandt WTC Reopens, should the restore the line? I think they should make a comeback. My answer is no, but why do you feel that they need the back? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1044 Posted September 13, 2013 My answer is no, but why do you feel that they need the back? that way service can run faster in the line between south ferry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1045 Posted September 13, 2013 It saved no time at all. It ran local most of its route 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1046 Posted September 13, 2013 but i dont think its possible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1047 Posted September 13, 2013 then the should change the service into express if they decide to put the back. the line is a local IRT. The should be a Express IRT for the . Thats what I think 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1048 Posted September 13, 2013 then the should change the service into express if they decide to put the back. the line is a local IRT. The should be a Express IRT for the . Thats what I think Yeah well it's not the like can have its own track for the entire course so it would be pointless as it saved no time at all. It's one of those nothing you can do about it situations. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1049 Posted September 13, 2013 Yeah well it's not the like can have its own track for the entire course so it would be pointless as it saved no time at all. It's one of those nothing you can do about it situations. Yeah that's a good point so I guess its better off not to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 13, 2013 Share #1050 Posted September 13, 2013 (edited) It is better if the doesn't come back. Part of the problem was that there were too many stations above 137th St that had high enough ridership to justify being all-stop stations (stations where both and trains stopped). You had three all-stop stations in a row at 191st, 181st and 168th Streets. You also had 231st Street, an all-stop station just two stops below 242nd Street, so the also made three stops in a row at the start of its route. This was done because 231st is a major bus-subway transfer point for the many riders headed to/from Riverdale. Edited September 13, 2013 by T to Dyre Avenue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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