Porter Posted November 17, 2017 Share #1 Posted November 17, 2017 Friday afternoon, 14:00, and the passageway between the and across 50th Street between Broadway and Eighth Avenue is closed. What gives? The sign clearly states that it is to be open every weekday from the morning until the evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 18, 2017 Share #2 Posted November 18, 2017 Is it operated by the MTA or a private development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted November 18, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Lance said: Is it operated by the MTA or a private development? I'm pretty sure it's operated by the building manager of Paramount Plaza (out-of-fare transfers tend to be, as with 130 Liberty). This passageway was constructed for the sole purpose of sheltering the building's employees and visitors who wanted to take the northbound and lines during unfavorable weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 18, 2017 Share #4 Posted November 18, 2017 9 hours ago, Skipper said: I'm pretty sure it's operated by the building manager of Paramount Plaza (out-of-fare transfers tend to be, as with 130 Liberty). This passageway was constructed for the sole purpose of sheltering the building's employees and visitors who wanted to take the northbound and lines during unfavorable weather. Maybe there was something that had to be fixed in the passageway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted November 18, 2017 Share #5 Posted November 18, 2017 Interesting...never knew there was such a passageway.... Is there supposed to be something similar along 42nd street between the Bryant Park and Times Square stations...'out of fare transfer'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share #6 Posted November 19, 2017 22 hours ago, traildriver said: Is there supposed to be something similar along 42nd street between the Bryant Park and Times Square stations...'out of fare transfer'? There is, and also one between Herald Square and Penn Station, and even one between Herald Square and Bryant Park that is so insanely large that you could send two-lane automobile traffic through it with room to spare. Rather than install cameras and patrol these corridors, the decided to damn them into oblivion, only because it's easier. It's the same line of reasoning that keeps Park Row closed. It's easier not to grant the public access, so screw them, right? It's not like they have any recourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted November 20, 2017 Share #7 Posted November 20, 2017 20 hours ago, Skipper said: It's the same line of reasoning that keeps Park Row closed. What is that one? I'm not familiar with it, and couldn't find anything with a few searches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted November 20, 2017 Share #8 Posted November 20, 2017 Maybe we should crowd-source a list of abandoned pedestrian tunnels connecting to subway stations in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, rbrome said: What is that one? I'm not familiar with it, and couldn't find anything with a few searches. It's a boulevard that connects Bowery and Centre streets, which is what connects Chinatown to City Hall. It has been closed since 9/11, although at least they now allow the M9 and M103 to pass through it. City Hall to Chinatown Chinatown to City Hall 49 minutes ago, CenSin said: Maybe we should crowd-source a list of abandoned pedestrian tunnels connecting to subway stations in New York. The big ones in Manhattan that have been closed since the early '90s or earlier are: - 33rd Street (Gimbels) passageway between Herald Square and Penn Station - Sixth Avenue passageway between Herald Square and Bryant Park - 14th Street passageway between Sixth Avenue and Eighth Avenue The 50th Street passageway mentioned above recently reopened (which is why I was unhappy to find it closed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted November 21, 2017 Share #10 Posted November 21, 2017 Is this the one that runs past 50 Court with the Equinox ? I know it was closed, and there's the boarded up space at the end of the northbound platform, which I believe was where it connected. Is this what is being said to have opened, but then closed again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share #11 Posted November 21, 2017 19 hours ago, Eric B said: Is this the one that runs past 50 Court with the Equinox ? I know it was closed, and there's the boarded up space at the end of the northbound platform, which I believe was where it connected. Is this what is being said to have opened, but then closed again? The passageway is in Manhattan, not Brooklyn. It has metal shutters and runs from Paramount Plaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted November 22, 2017 Share #12 Posted November 22, 2017 Who said anything about Brooklyn? I meant Paramount Plaza, but didn't know what it was called (could only find it called "50 Court"); but I knew the Equinox was in the sunken plaza, and that's where the passageway was. Did they really have this open recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porter Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share #13 Posted November 23, 2017 On 11/21/2017 at 9:14 PM, Eric B said: Who said anything about Brooklyn? I meant Paramount Plaza, but didn't know what it was called (could only find it called "50 Court"); but I knew the Equinox was in the sunken plaza, and that's where the passageway was. Did they really have this open recently? Sorry, misunderstanding: Yes, they opened it at the dawn of 2011: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted November 24, 2017 Share #14 Posted November 24, 2017 Well, I was just working the today, and the wooden barriers (which are actually at the north end of both platforms) look untouched, so that part of it hadn't been opened recently. I take it this video starts on the level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted November 24, 2017 Share #15 Posted November 24, 2017 On 11/20/2017 at 1:31 PM, Skipper said: It's a boulevard that connects Bowery and Centre streets, which is what connects Chinatown to City Hall. It has been closed since 9/11, although at least they now allow the M9 and M103 to pass through it. City Hall to Chinatown Chinatown to City Hall The big ones in Manhattan that have been closed since the early '90s or earlier are: - 33rd Street (Gimbels) passageway between Herald Square and Penn Station - Sixth Avenue passageway between Herald Square and Bryant Park - 14th Street passageway between Sixth Avenue and Eighth Avenue The 50th Street passageway mentioned above recently reopened (which is why I was unhappy to find it closed). Thanks for that info....the only one of those I ever used was the passageway thru Gimbel's basement before the homeless squatter's caused its closure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted November 24, 2017 Share #16 Posted November 24, 2017 On 11/17/2017 at 6:29 PM, Skipper said: Friday afternoon, 14:00, and the passageway between the and across 50th Street between Broadway and Eighth Avenue is closed. What gives? The sign clearly states that it is to be open every weekday from the morning until the evening. Did the developer get a "zoning bonus" (special permission to build higher than would otherwise be allowed) for installing that passageway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted November 26, 2017 Share #17 Posted November 26, 2017 Hey, that sounds like a great idea...perhaps it can be expanded to allowing zoning exemption's in exchange for building new subway stations...think of how much that would reduce the MTA's expense of building new subways lines.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 27, 2017 Share #18 Posted November 27, 2017 18 hours ago, traildriver said: Hey, that sounds like a great idea...perhaps it can be expanded to allowing zoning exemption's in exchange for building new subway stations...think of how much that would reduce the MTA's expense of building new subways lines.... That already happens. See: Midtown East (One Vanderbilt will expand Grand Central), the Court Square complex, 51st/Lex, the list really goes on and on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted November 28, 2017 Share #19 Posted November 28, 2017 Great! But that list is only for expanded stations on existing lines.....how about building new stations south of 63rd street along 2nd Avenue, for an expanded 2nd avenue line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted November 28, 2017 Share #20 Posted November 28, 2017 On 11/26/2017 at 10:32 AM, traildriver said: Hey, that sounds like a great idea...perhaps it can be expanded to allowing zoning exemption's in exchange for building new subway stations...think of how much that would reduce the MTA's expense of building new subways lines.... I wouldn't have them pay the whole thing, but I would have them go by a ratio (ex. every extra floor built above the limit accounts for .3% of construction costs, so a building looking for 5 extra floors would pay 1.5% of the new station's construction cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 28, 2017 Share #21 Posted November 28, 2017 5 hours ago, traildriver said: Great! But that list is only for expanded stations on existing lines.....how about building new stations south of 63rd street along 2nd Avenue, for an expanded 2nd avenue line? The problem with that is we have no idea what those stations will look like, really, and so if everyone is building up their own little jigsaw piece of a subway station it will probably end up that all the pieces don't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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