Trainspotter Posted November 13, 2008 Share #1 Posted November 13, 2008 New York City’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority has awarded Alstom, in partnership with Kawasaki, an order worth a total of €560 million ($US 784 million) for the manufacture of a further 382 R160 subway cars. With this order, the MTA is taking up the second option on a contract originally awarded to Alstom and Kawasaki in 2002. Alstom’s share of the latest order represents approximately €350 million ($US 491 million) and covers the production of 242 metro cars. The new, stainless steel cars will be delivered between 2009-2010 and will feature Alstom’s AC propulsion systems and Alstom’s passenger information signage systems. The vehicles are lighter, quieter and more comfortable than previous generations of trains, with modern air suspension replacing mechanical springs. Alstom will also supply propulsion systems for half of the Kawasaki share of cars (140) in this second option. Alstom has already delivered 405 cars to NYCT (New York City Transit) since 2002, with another 355 currently being manufactured. With this new order, the total number of cars supplied by Alstom to NYCT will reach 1,002. By exercising this second option, NYCT renews its confidence in Alstom’s manufacturing expertise and commitment to quality and service. The body shells will be manufactured in Alstom’s Lapa facilities located in Sao Paulo city, Brazil. The cars will be assembled and tested at Alstom’s Rolling Stock Center of Excellence in Hornell, N.Y., home of the largest passenger rail car manufacturing site in the U.S. This 700,000 square foot facility is the only manufacturing site in the Americas that has a climate chamber capable of testing complete passenger rail cars. The Hornell site builds and assembles rapid transit metro cars, commuter and intercity trains and passenger train locomotives, as well as AC propulsion systems, traction motors, electrical generators and other electrical components. Since 1983, the Hornell facilities have manufactured and renovated over 6,000 passenger rail cars and locomotives. Drawing on more than a century of experience, Alstom supplies metros to some 45 cities, with one metro system out of every four worldwide rolling off Alstom’s production lines. Today, over 3,000 Alstom metro cars have been sold - carrying more than 1 billion passengers every year. About New York City Transit R160 Originally awarded in July 2002 in partnership with Kawasaki, the $961.6 million, 660-R160 car contract (Alstom 400/Kawasaki 260) remains today the largest subway car purchase in NYCT’s history and the largest mass transit award in the U.S. Alstom and Kawasaki formed the joint-venture company ALSKAW to oversee the project. While each company manufactures their share at their respective facilities, the cars have a unified design. The first additional option for 620 cars, worth $1.12 billion, was awarded in partnership with Kawasaki (Alstom 360/Kawasaki 260) in July 2007. Source: Alstom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted November 13, 2008 Share #2 Posted November 13, 2008 New York City’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority has awarded Alstom, in partnership with Kawasaki, an order worth a total of €560 million ($US 784 million) for the manufacture of a further 382 R160 subway cars. With this order, the MTA is taking up the second option on a contract originally awarded to Alstom and Kawasaki in 2002. Alstom’s share of the latest order represents approximately €350 million ($US 491 million) and covers the production of 242 metro cars. The new, stainless steel cars will be delivered between 2009-2010 and will feature Alstom’s AC propulsion systems and Alstom’s passenger information signage systems. The vehicles are lighter, quieter and more comfortable than previous generations of trains, with modern air suspension replacing mechanical springs. Alstom will also supply propulsion systems for half of the Kawasaki share of cars (140) in this second option. Alstom has already delivered 405 cars to NYCT (New York City Transit) since 2002, with another 355 currently being manufactured. With this new order, the total number of cars supplied by Alstom to NYCT will reach 1,002. By exercising this second option, NYCT renews its confidence in Alstom’s manufacturing expertise and commitment to quality and service. The body shells will be manufactured in Alstom’s Lapa facilities located in Sao Paulo city, Brazil. The cars will be assembled and tested at Alstom’s Rolling Stock Center of Excellence in Hornell, N.Y., home of the largest passenger rail car manufacturing site in the U.S. This 700,000 square foot facility is the only manufacturing site in the Americas that has a climate chamber capable of testing complete passenger rail cars. The Hornell site builds and assembles rapid transit metro cars, commuter and intercity trains and passenger train locomotives, as well as AC propulsion systems, traction motors, electrical generators and other electrical components. Since 1983, the Hornell facilities have manufactured and renovated over 6,000 passenger rail cars and locomotives. Drawing on more than a century of experience, Alstom supplies metros to some 45 cities, with one metro system out of every four worldwide rolling off Alstom’s production lines. Today, over 3,000 Alstom metro cars have been sold - carrying more than 1 billion passengers every year. About New York City Transit R160 Originally awarded in July 2002 in partnership with Kawasaki, the $961.6 million, 660-R160 car contract (Alstom 400/Kawasaki 260) remains today the largest subway car purchase in NYCT’s history and the largest mass transit award in the U.S. Alstom and Kawasaki formed the joint-venture company ALSKAW to oversee the project. While each company manufactures their share at their respective facilities, the cars have a unified design. The first additional option for 620 cars, worth $1.12 billion, was awarded in partnership with Kawasaki (Alstom 360/Kawasaki 260) in July 2007. Source: Alstom R160B 8713 provided the same information on another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted November 13, 2008 Share #3 Posted November 13, 2008 Seeing as TrainSpotter posted it it's official. Also since he's a mod he can just delete the other post. Also, to the OP, Kawasaki is delivering another 140 cars with this order as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted November 13, 2008 Share #4 Posted November 13, 2008 Seeing as TrainSpotter posted it it's official. Also since he's a mod he can just delete the other post.Also, to the OP, Kawasaki is delivering another 140 cars with this order as well. It seems the MTA is favouring the Alstom propulsion over the Siemens propulsion. R160 Datasheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 13, 2008 Share #5 Posted November 13, 2008 "Rolling Stock Center of Excellence???" that NAME reeks of excellence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted November 13, 2008 Share #6 Posted November 13, 2008 damn, why not just load up the 179s rather... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainspot12 Posted November 14, 2008 Share #7 Posted November 14, 2008 And they said they are in the hole. Yeah OOOOOOOOOKAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducman998r Posted November 14, 2008 Share #8 Posted November 14, 2008 It seems the MTA is favouring the Alstom propulsion over the Siemens propulsion. R160 Datasheet By far... some components are being swapped for Alstom as well already I heard. I was in CI barn 2 weeks ago and there were dozens of Siemens techs working on malfunctioning cars. Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlmerPark B6 Posted November 14, 2008 Share #9 Posted November 14, 2008 It seems the MTA is favouring the Alstom propulsion over the Siemens propulsion. R160 Datasheet Wow, slow down buddy, how did you find this? This is very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted November 14, 2008 Share #10 Posted November 14, 2008 Wow, slow down buddy, how did you find this? This is very interesting. NorthEastern T/O on SubChat leaked it out last night. He knows someone who got all this information and it was supposed to remain confidential. But once again, half of this is a projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted November 14, 2008 Share #11 Posted November 14, 2008 It seems the MTA is favouring the Alstom propulsion over the Siemens propulsion. R160 Datasheet But I like the Simens propulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted November 14, 2008 Share #12 Posted November 14, 2008 Hopefully this means that the E finally receives R160's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R421969 Posted November 14, 2008 Share #13 Posted November 14, 2008 BOOOOOOOOOOOORING more R160's? man those cars better have a dam stripe or something different...im starting to get tired of them already...but then again...its kinda cool to have a fresh new subway with clean cars. but they emptied there pockets with mroe r160s...what about the r179??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted November 14, 2008 Share #14 Posted November 14, 2008 BOOOOOOOOOOOORING more R160's? man those cars better have a dam stripe or something different...im starting to get tired of them already...but then again...its kinda cool to have a fresh new subway with clean cars. but they emptied there pockets with mroe r160s...what about the r179??? The R179 is supposed to come between 2012 to 2015. They are going to replace the R44 and R46, which are both currently in great condition (well, the R46s are. R44s are crap but they can hang on a few more years). With this option order, the R40M and R42 will be retired in 2009-2010. Besides, the R179 is still in the design phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted November 14, 2008 Share #15 Posted November 14, 2008 Hopefully this means that the E finally receives R160's It will. It would have even with the first option order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransitGuy Posted November 15, 2008 Share #16 Posted November 15, 2008 Wow well this is some good info. And wow I can't believe the and are getting some of these. But whats going to happen to the R-68's? Will this effect the in any way (just curious if they will receive some 68's or something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted November 15, 2008 Share #17 Posted November 15, 2008 The 68's still have about 20 years left in them. This R160 order will probably replace the remaining R32's, 38's, 40's, and 42's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted November 15, 2008 Share #18 Posted November 15, 2008 R160, I got to ride on one, and let me say. Nice F%cking train. Not that pale R142/R143 look. I love the grayish walls, the metal moldings around the doors and windows. Last they are fast....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransitGuy Posted November 15, 2008 Share #19 Posted November 15, 2008 Hopefully they will preserve one of each retired car though for the museum. But I agree the 160's are very nice. I like how smooth and clean they are. But I think they should have chose blue seats . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted November 15, 2008 Share #20 Posted November 15, 2008 Wow well this is some good info. And wow I can't believe the and are getting some of these. But whats going to happen to the R-68's? Will this effect the in any way (just curious if they will receive some 68's or something else. They will not be retired that quickly. The R160s are going to ENY, CIY and some to Jamaica Yard. The 179s will likely go to 207/Pitkin, SIR and maybe Jamaica Yard. The 68s will linger at Concourse and CIY. If there are replacements in the future, I THINK the replacement trains will go directly to those respective yards instead of transferring cars to other yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted November 15, 2008 Share #21 Posted November 15, 2008 But I like the Simens propulsion. A lot of people do, but apparently they are facing some problems. The MTA could always find new traction motors. Mitsubishi, IIRC, emits a similar noise to the Siemens propulsion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted November 15, 2008 Share #22 Posted November 15, 2008 I don't really care if it sounds nice or plain, as long as they are reliable & work well for the job intended. I really like the sound of the HBLR. Check it some time! - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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