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NYPD Issues Reminder That Photos Are OK

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http://www.ny1.com/Default.aspx?ArID=97287

 

The New York City Police Department says it's okay to take pictures of your favorite city landmarks.

 

The NYPD has issued an order reminding officers that photography and videotaping in public areas is legal.

 

The order says although the city is a terrorist target, it's also a major tourist destination and that virtually all photography has no link to terrorism.

 

The order also says officers cannot demand to see someone's pictures or order them to erase the photos.

 

According to an NYPD spokesperson, there was not a particular incident that prompted the operations order. Instead, the spokesperson says the department just wanted to remind officers of the policy.

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I'm glad finally someone realized that there is no link between photos and terrorism. Did Al-Qaida (or however you spell it) take photos of WTC before 9/11? Did Timothy McVeigh take photos of the Murrah Federal Building before the 4-19-95 bombing? No and no.

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Good to see articles like these. I remember a couple years ago I tried to take a few pictures in the Flatbush-Atlantic Avenue terminal of the LIRR, and some agent stopped me and threatened to call the police on me. I won't have that.

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We should all print out that article, and staple it to the (MTA) rules of conduct, because the next person who does get stopped in the subway (it will happen), its your chance to show double proof, that its Legal:eek:

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I agree. I need to print out that article and take it with me everywhere I go!

 

Do it man:cool:, And the rest of you guys!:tup:

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You too! And if I get threatened again, I'll also mention how the NYCLU has my back, and that if they want to arrest me, prepare to face legal action courtesy of the NYCLU!

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Well since there was a topic about this, mind if I add on?

 

 

 

SHUTTERBUGGED

PIX-NIX OUTCRY WINS EASE-UP FROM NYPD

 

 

 

By MURRAY WEISS Criminal Justice Editor

 

Last updated: 2:14 am

April 13, 2009

Posted: 1:23 am

April 13, 2009

 

Faced with complaints from photographers and tourists alike, the NYPD has issued a department order reminding cops that the right to take pictures in the Big Apple is as American as apple pie.

 

"Photography and the videotaping of public places, buildings and structures are common activities within New York City . . . and is rarely unlawful," the NYPD operations order begins.

 

It acknowledges that the city is a terrorist target, but since it's a prominent "tourist destination, practically all such photography will have no connection to terrorism or unlawful conduct."

 

The department directive -- titled "Investigation of Individuals Engaged in Suspicious Photography and Video Surveillance" -- makes it clear that cops cannot "demand to view photographs taken by a person . . . or direct them to delete or destroy images" in a camera.

 

Public-advocacy groups have complained, especially since 9/11, about cops stopping shutterbugs and, in some cases, wrongly arresting them.

 

In the latest snafu, an off-duty MTA worker and admitted fan of the subways was issued a summons for taking pictures of subway cars.

 

He was handed a summons that incorrectly sited the rule that expressly permits snapping pictures in the subways.

 

Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said the NYPD posted the missive because "we periodically get complaints that an officer asked to see [someone's] camera or erase a picture and this is a reminder not to do that."

 

"It is a balancing act," Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said of NYPD efforts to spot possible terrorism or criminal activity while not stepping on the First Amendment.

 

Donna Lieberman, president of the New York Civil Liberties Union, lauded the directive as "representing progress."

 

She pointed out that her organization has twice sued the NYPD for stopping innocent filmmaking -- once on behalf of a well-known Indian filmmaker who was videotaping cabbies outside Grand Central Terminal, the other time for a Columbia University student who was filming in a subway station for a school project.

 

But cops are not without successes in confronting what might appear to be innocent videotaping.

 

In Manhattan, cops spotted a man -- who turned out to have ties to a terror group in Pakistan -- videotaping the underbellies of the Brooklyn and Manhattan bridges.

 

Additional reporting by John Doyle

 

Source : http://www.nypost.com/seven/04132009/news/regionalnews/shutterbugged_164159.htm

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Me being an indian person, this makes me really happy. I've been questioned a few times with the usual racist questions "Are you an Arab? Are you muslim?" And its really irritating that police cant tell the difference between Arabs/Muslim/Pakistanis groups and Indian people. We are not alike in any way for the love of god........

 

Other than that, I'm happy that police cant really demand to see/delete photos and videos now. If they try and threaten me, I can report them cause they cant do anything without proper jurisdiction. And they will be the ones getting punished......

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ohh... So its ok for LANDMARKS ehh? But when an NYPD(Some) Police THINKS that we cant take shot on the Mass Transit System, we get fined or arrested if we dont follow there order... even tho is LEGAL to take shots with restrictions...

 

Geez (MTA) is so damn LAZY!! How about mailing the damn rules to NYPD and MTA workers for god sake!!!!

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ohh... So its ok for LANDMARKS ehh? But when an NYPD(Some) Police THINKS that we cant take shot on the Mass Transit System, we get fined or arrested if we dont follow there order... even tho is LEGAL to take shots with restrictions...

 

Geez (MTA) is so damn LAZY!! How about mailing the damn rules to NYPD and MTA workers for god sake!!!!

 

You didnt read the entire thing properly did ya?

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You didnt read the entire thing properly did ya?

 

yeah.. after i commented lol

 

but still.. you kno most workers wont get the message

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I don't know where a few of you are mentioning something about fines (*cough cough* Mark and Wang), but you can't be fined for taking photos on public property.

 

When questioned by a police officer just remain calm, speak clearly and PROPERLY, cooperate, and you will be all good.

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The key is to simply stand your ground, and not be a jerk or confrontational. I know the rules, if the rules change i will comply with the new rules.

(MTA)(NJT) and :septa: all have the same exact rules for photography.

 

- A

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The key is to simply stand your ground, and not be a jerk or confrontational. I know the rules, if the rules change i will comply with the new rules.

(MTA)(NJT) and :septa: all have the same exact rules for photography.

 

- A

I would also like to add, if you feel the situation is getting a bit "tense" and "hostile", simply agree with the Police Officer, take down the Police Officer's name, badge # and Precinct and just do a complaint against the police officer later through the official channels set up. Even if you feel you're right and are in the right, it's always good to know when to agree to disagree and back down rather than getting confrontational. Just because it's showing up in the news, doesn't mean it's going to happen over night and every Police Officer will be up to date in regards to photography. Also remember, this doesn't mean that MTA employees won't give you problems. While the MTA has the rules posted on their website, as Pelham Bay Dave has posted before, they are given "different" rules. They are told to report anyone doing photography.

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I agree.

New York City Subways is also part of public area.

I seen lots of tourists taking pictures of subway stations, old train cars, well as video recording.

 

Slightly off-topic, this remind should be also sent to Port Authority Police. because Ground Zero is part of tourist attraction as well.

 

My friend was stopped by PANY&NJ employee when he was taking picture of Ground Zero site which is another tourist attraction.

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I agree.

New York City Subways is also part of public area.

I seen lots of tourists taking pictures of subway stations, old train cars, well as video recording.

 

Slightly off-topic, this remind should be also sent to Port Authority Police. because Ground Zero is part of tourist attraction as well.

 

My friend was stopped by PANY&NJ employee when he was taking picture of Ground Zero site which is another tourist attraction.

The Port Authority Police aren't part of the NYPD. They have other rules. Also, please don't refer to Ground Zero as a tourist attraction as it's not.

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The Port Authority Police aren't part of the NYPD. They have other rules. Also, please don't refer to Ground Zero as a tourist attraction as it's not.

Thanks.

I thought it was tourist attraction b/c I see tourists there taking pics there. Maybe mostly tourist with architech interest.

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