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The work in the 4th ave area is one of the main reason why service is garbage. The is just as bad and when you have trains running express in one direction in queens, It's even worse. Yesterday there was a 30 min wait for the train after one left, I said screw it and took the LIRR to grand central from forest hills. Things like this makes me miss living in Jamaica, I might even move back or live close to it. As for the train, It was to be expected for outages between February and early April since there is no baseball and etc. I just wish they did a better job trying to keep the service like the as decent as possible when they do these outages.

The got the R160s because it shares its northern terminal with the so it made sense that the and share equipment. The doesn't have this issue so it wouldn't make sense to give the R211s unless it sharing the fleet with the and . regardless of R160s or R211s the will have the majority of the tech fleet but it would share with the and since CI would get more than 250 tech trains. The would be the one stuck with R68s while the and would be both R68s and tech trains. Someone will get leftover cars in the end and it's really a toss up between Coney and Concourse. One of these yards are getting either R160s or R211s. People are getting uptight about the speculating but it's not that serious. No one is insulting anyone and as long no one is doing that, It shouldn't be an issue. Railfans are going to speculate but in reality there's really nothing to speculate when the entire IND has to be CBTC equipped tech trains so the and along with the and will need to be 100% tech. It's only the question regarding Jamaica on if they will stay 100% R160s or if they will lose 50% of them and where would those displaced R160s go.

For the last time, Jamaica is NOT getting R179s. The R179s will stay where they are. A chunk of R160s MIGHT not stay at Jamaica. The R179s are also for 8th ave CBTC and also can run on the once the CBTC kits are installed on the ENY R179s. You clearly don't get it, You clearly made these assignments so Coney island could get the R211s. R179s at Jamaica would be a complete waste and the fact that 207th could house the 10 car units with the a small fleet of option order I R211s would make more sense while the 8 car units could go to ENY for expanded service. The could get R160s from Jamaica while Jamaica gets a chunk of R211s which would make more sense regarless if they are open gangway or not. It makes more sense for Jamaica to get a piece R211s due to the fact they have bigger doors and would benefit the and . Subway car swaps happen all the time and this would be no different. People just want them at Coney Island for political reasons. The doesn't need R211s, It's a part time line. You're better off giving the the R160s since they already between 13-18 years old Also for the R179s, It's better off just having them at 207th and ENY, It makes more things simple since both yards already have parts and etc. Plus if the cars are open gangway, Why in the hell would anyone would want them in the southern BMT which has way less ridership than the and

The Barn can't fit a full 600 foot train but this wouldn't stop them from getting 5 car (10 car units) as they can inspect 5 cars in each track on top of other equipment such as work cars and museum cars.

From what i heard is some sort of training if i'm correct.

The main reason for switching the via 63rd st was due to crowding at lex and 53rd. A lot of riders were pissed off about the change as they lost their one seat ride to transfer to the Lexington ave line. That free Metrocard transfer didn't mean much when you have to take up to 3 escalators to the mezzanine and then walk 3 blocks. But all these changes made the even more packed and they added some more trains with some select trains leaving from 179th which did help in a way for those hillside riders who wanted the train. Now since the goes to 96th st, Lex and 63rd is a decent station if people want the upper east side.

Damn that''s another mistake on my end. I meant to put 439 but typed 4059 by mistake Edited for Corrected numbers

Yeah that's what i meant, i keep forgetting that the numbers start from 0-4,5-9 It looks like the R211S would be 100-174, Looking closely that's car 100. Also I do think the Op 1 cars would start at 3400 since the R32's are no longer in the system and any that is for work service would have 1 added to their numbers like the 10 former work cars. Op II I believe would start from 5210-5609 or 4500-4904, 4905-4937 (8 car units) So The R211 numbers could be this : Base Order: R211T: 4040-4059 Base Order R211A:4060-4499 Base order R211S: 100-174 Option Order I: 3400-4059 Option Order II: 4500-4904 (5 car units) 4905-4937 (8 car units) This would be the most realistic unless option order I starts at 4500-4999 (500 cars) 3400-3539 (140 cars) or 5205-5344 5345-5749, 5750-5782 would also be open with option order II since all the R46s would be gone by then. So it's a toss up with the R32 numbers or former R44 and R46 numbers. The whole point of the pilot set is to troubleshoot all the issues so they can apply the fixes to the production cars. They pretty much built the production cars before the pilot set entered service so this way if the pilot car issues are fixed, They'll do the fixes on the fly on the first 40-60 production cars built on NYCT property most likely.

This video is from 3 months ago so i would expect 4101 to at least 4140 to be also built. These cars 4070-4100 (30 cars) will be on property as soon as the 30 day test is done.

highest numbered car i see is 4100 next to 4088.

those COULD get transferred to MTA bus. They always switch fareboxes.

It's the fleet in general, Gotta remember that they use the R179s a lot on the and they try to keep the majority of the fleet out 24/7 since it's the newest cars on that line which is still not enough, The R211s will fix this problem.

That won't be easy making the local on weekends (normal weekend service). The riders would bitch and rightfully so. The needs to comeback to Queens Blvd Nights and Weekends, Most people would get off at Roosevelt or Queens Plaza to transfer for an express train anyway. It sucks just having the running on weekends without a 2nd option.

I know, Albany could have still footed the bill though, Even for just an additional 132 cars (100 5- car sets) (32 4 car sets) it would have been better than nothing and the could have been 100% full length by giving more R46s to the . R32/42s would have still been completely replaced by the R179s and would have been all 5 car units instead of the config. that we have now but i thank god that we got an additional 16 cars to make the have 130 cars instead of 40. I wish they would have gotten another batch of free B cars for the break apart to make more 8 car units into 10 car sets. Speaking of the R179s, I rode one on the today. It wasn't the same as the last time i rode it, 3014 rode a bit rough. They are really giving them a workout, I just hope they figure out the issues of the R211s because they are really needed for service and the really needs more cars.

I agree 100% on that part, But also blame Albany, There were talks of doing an Option Order III for the R160 order in 2010 to pretty much replace the void of the R44s and retire the R32/R42 fleet but they didn't go with it which I'm shocked. The R179s would have just been for fleet expansion or to replace anything that didn't get replaced. The R142S (r142A) Supplemental order they did granted it was just 80 cars with the last 10 cars (7801-7810) being delivered in February of 2005 if I'm correct due to correcting a shortage of cars. 80 R33MLs were sidelined for service just in case anything went wrong but instead they never went back in service, most of them became work cars (refuse motors) and 14 cars (12 cars) became which would become the Train of many colors. 8950/51 was also saved but they turned that pair into rider cars, these were the last pairs to be converted to rider cars. I just wished the R179s were mostly 10 cars instead of 8, This would have allowed them to get more 8 car R211s for ENY since those cars would have been better off for the due to it's larger doors and the parts would have been shared since half of the parts of the R211s are the same as the R143 and R160s. The R179s use different parts.

R179s didn't replace all the R32s. The R211s are the replacements of the remaining ones that were on paper planned to retire in 2022 (which in turn they did, They only sat in storage from 2020-2021 when the decision was to retire them.) The plans changed due to politics which in turn the was going to see a reduction in service which the former governor signed on and then covid hit which was the nail in the coffin. R179s really replaced the void that the R44s that didn't get replaced by the R160s as well as replacing all of the R42s and half of the R32 fleet. The R211 order both base and Option order I is fixing the shortage by replacing R46s and fulling the void of the already retired R32s and a surplus of extra cars . We can't keep on letting scrap subway cars without proper replacements, Because just like in 2010, We will be waiting 7 to 10 years to fix the shortage of cars again which in this day in age isn't a good idea. This is why other systems around the world is better than ours, they don't do shit like that. Waiting 20-30 mintues for a or train due to an equipment shortage in 2022 is unacceptable, That's the issue. Unlike CI yard, The and really don't have a back up. It's not like the 80s which was worse but things shouldn't be the way they are today esp with today's political climate. People want better service but complain about the older subway cars. Then caves in and thus we have a shortage of cars. Thats my issue. There's no need to cut the train, It wouldn't really help, CI has the R68s to fall back on. Yeah it's still a small spare factor but weekends and nights there are plenty of R68s laid up that they can use. The and barely has anything and the amount of R179s doesn't help, The is dominated by R46s and the at least is 60/40.

Yeah but before they retired, The R46s weren't that bad since the was mainly R32s and R179s and the had plenty of R46 spares which some could have went to Coney. Once they retired the R32s, The reliability went down since they barely had spares,That is a fact. Pitkin's R46s were a hit or miss but they weren't that bad until they started throwing them on the . The and has to share the R46s and out of pitkin's fleet, There's only 4 to 5 set spares plus a pair. That's not enough since the majority of the line is still R46s. This is one reason why the is stupid for making the R179s mostly 8 car units. Had it been the other way around, This wouldn't be an issue since the would have more R179s vs R46s. The R32s could have stayed on the and (50 cars) and they could have sent more R179s to the to increase the spares but covid happened. This is why the R46s are unreliable. Then you add the CIY R46s which run on the and 24/7 along with the and you would see why the R46s run like garbage. When the and had half of the R32 fleet, ENY also had the R42s, R143 and R160s meaning the and had a very high spare factor and why they were able to run the R32s 24/7 with barely any issues. All is this is 's fault due to poor planning, All of this wouldn't be an issue if they made logical decisions. Their stupidity is why the R32s lasted 58 years and why we still have equipment shortages in 2023. But as the R211s go in service without issue i hope, All of these issues would be fixed and the entire R46 fleet would be retired within 3 years since option order I has been awarded. Politics, Covid and the fact that ridership was low in 2021, They said screw it which makes sense. The R211 was on property already and they thought the R211s would be in service by 2022 which by then the R32 fleet wouldn't be needed which IMO was a mistake because supply shortages and teething issues have delayed the R211s from entering service. But just about half of the R32 fleet that were replaced by the R179s were going to get scrapped regardless. The original plan was to use the parts from the scrapped cars onto the remaining fleet until 2022 and the spent money rehabbing the remaining R32s to run until 2022 before Covid hit.

This is what happens when the agency don't think with logic, A good portion of the R46s have very bad floors and the reason why they are unreliable because they chugged the R32s prematurely thinking the R211s would be in service in 2022 (it made sense at the time since ridership was low in 2021). The and has equipment shortages because of it on top of the crew shortage. You add them being on the and 24/7 and you see why they aren't doing great. And you add the R211 issues and supply shortages and it makes things worse.

The lines still have it worse esp the since it only has 13 R179s and has to share it's R46 spares with the . The and at least have the R68s to fall on and a very small spare factor and laid up trains at Coney if they really need anything. The / has nothing and 65% of the missing and trains are due to the lack of equipment since the R46 spare factor is very low for the / combined. This one one of the reasons why the 50% of R32 fleet were planned to stay until the first R211 would enter passenger service until politics and covid threw those plans in the trash. I just think Coney doesn't want to deal with the r46s in hopes of Car equipment changing their minds to give them a piece of the R211 order which i doubt would happen. Politics can't get in the way of CBTC, It's been proven. Coney Island yard will still need tech trains for the , This is why it makes sense for Coney Island to get the R160s back because the majority of the R160s would be for the . The remaining would likely be on the / along with the R68s while the is nothing but R68s with maybe 1-3 sets of tech trains. The however will need tech trains. As much as I would hope for concourse to get the R211s, It wouldn't surprise me if they gave concourse the R160s from Jamaica instead while Jamaica would get the majority of the R211 order since on paper the and even the has higher ridership and would want both the / to be 100% R211s and in order to make that happen including putting them on the they would need about 800-840 R211s in total. But I still think the would get a whole new fleet and the R211s would be perfect for the alone due to it's heavy ridership and the reliability would go up due to cut dwell times because of more doors (40 doors) vs the 32 on the R68s. They can live, Again the and riders has has old shit for 30 plus years and never gave a shit until a certain group of people starting moving into brooklyn. and riders had to watch other lines get new equipment throughout the years. R160B 9803-9942 were planned to go to the line in 2009 and they were training crews to be R160 qualified back in 2009 until they decided to just give that batch to Jamaica. Still to this day that I still think Rockaway power bullshit was just a way to keep the tech trains off the until they were forced to get them (R179s).

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Dude it's just a train. If you have a job, Why would you try to avoid a certain car class? Any normal person who is going to work would get on the first train that comes. It's not that serious, Yeah the train run like shit but they aren't going anywhere yet and the last majority won't be gone until 2-3 years tops.

It wouldn't surprise me if this happens but I don't think Jamaica should lose their xcelsiors. The LFS is the better bus but it's only flaw is the crowd control. 90% of CS routes are crowded and the XD40s do a better job at handling crowds vs the 40 foot LFS. But with the current config. of seating, crowd control should be improved on the LFS.

It can happen, It'll just be R160s from Jamaica running on the . It'll either be trains replacing trains in queens or both / running together. The Shuttle train between Astoria and 39th ave is close to the 36th st station, They want people to transfer via a block ticket to 39th ave from 36th st hence the running on queens blvd to avoid confusion.

With all the BS going on in NYC, A C/R is necessary. It's not killing y'all if we have conductors. There are other things that the needs to cut cost on like management. Too many supervisors and etc. from the top to start. Try having OPTO on the line or on queens blvd. You would need platform conductors to try to control the crowds, So getting rid of conductors wouldn't save money regardless.

I don't see an issue with the merge at 59th between and trains since those are switches that trains can go about 25mph over. The Hoyt merge kinda sucks but that can be modified if they built a high speed switch. Canal St is the only issue as it causes delays to all 3 and lines which could be corrected. A good chunk of you guys lack common sense and think everything has to be de interlined when its completely normal for routes to merge. There are certain things that do need to be corrected but not everything should de interlined just for the sake of it. Railroads have routes that merge but it works because trains do not go 10mph over switches that you can go 20-30mph on. All of these changes you guys are proposing costs money that we all know they don't have. And if were up to me, The only 2 junctions that would be corrected would be dekalb with a new 4 track underwater tunnel connecting Broadway and 6th ave lines and the rogers junction which was going to be corrected and was in the planning stages before the pandemic hit. Broadway can get corrected 8th ave can be corrected These 2 wouldn't hurt because its very simple and much cheaper esp Broadway. Just have the and serve Queens while the / serves 2nd ave. This eliminates the merging point at 34th st and keeps the express trains on their own tracks.