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The swipers are always aggressive and do dumb shit just for $2. I almost got into it with one of them years ago when i refused a swipe. Normally they either back off or get into a fight. They never have to resort to stabbing someone.

I don't think they use it on the anymore until further notice. I could be wrong though. I know that the R188s slip and can't stop properly in the rain or when the rails are wet.

R42's and R68 rollsigns aren't compatible. The R40,R42,R44,R46 and the R110B front rollsigns are compatible with each other. The R68/R68A uses their own roll signs.

Riding the trains on weekends sucks, 63rd Drive,Woodhaven,Grand ave, Elmhurst Ave and Steinway St are packed on weekends due to just having 1 service serve those stations and when something goes wrong, We have to wait double the time. Running the with the wouldn't hurt, a train every 6 mins isn't bad. I wish the could comeback during the weekends and nights because it's needed. ridership numbers are bullshit compared to what i see and for 12 years straight since these neighborhoods grew in population they have been screwed and when the road screws up on the , They barely send a train to help so we wait 20 to 30 mins for the next train. It's annoying as f**k and makes me wish i could move back to Jamaica.

The can run with the if the goes to forest hills during those weekends. There are more than enough R160s laid up on the weekends that could be used on the for weekend service. The and all have trains laid up during the weekend, They could use most of those laid up trains which should be enough to cover weekend service. The has lay ups in ave X yard that they can use as well.

Most or All of the order are going to come through that way since 207th is still being worked on.

The / had a spare factor of R32s,R42s,R160s and the R143s(2015-present) before the R179s. If you take out the R160s and R143s, Half of Those R32s and R42s would have not been able to make it and they would have only been able to run 50% service with 24/7 service. This was how they were able to run the R32s and R42s 24/7 without issue due to the healthy spare factor on top of the tech trains. When they did the / swap from 2010-2012, They had to borrow 3 sets of R42s from the and 2 R46s from the in order to make service and keep the spare factor normal. When the R179s were delivered and etc. This allowed them to replace all of the R42s and half of the R32 fleet with the intention to keep the other 50% of the R32 fleet up into 2022 when the R211s would have been in service because of the going up to 2nd ave and keeping the spare factor somewhat healthy. (originally the whole R32 fleet was going to stay along with the R42s for the shutdown) The Big difference here is that they prematurely retired the R32s completely with the intention of the R211s going into service in the summer of this year (which makes sense on paper). That's not happening now (all subject to change). Now you have a very low spare factor now leading up into 2023 . Regardless of of crew shortage, You will still need equipment to make service. That's the difference between back then and now, There are barely any spares. Why is it hard for you to understand that. The / has to share 5 sets of R46 spares, That's not enough due to the size of the line. They both don't have enough R179s to cover esp. the which has only 130 cars meaning the is 88% R46s. If there were no spare factor in the past, The R32s and R42s would have not survived hence the R32s having a large spare factor when the whole fleet was at 207th st from 2010-2014. And yes even the R68s are starting to feel the effect, I rode two R68As on the and they both were slow as shit. Also they aren't going to sideline the R46s. If anything, once the R211s go into service, They'll probably send a few sets to CI yard to beef up their spare factor and give concourse their R68s back to also beef up their spare factor back to normal before they start retiring R46s which i would say by fall of 2023 (late november) we could start seeing R46 retirements

Pitkin doesn't have enough R179s for the to do that. 130 cars is not enough for a line that needs about 60% of it's fleet during the off peak hours. Plus the R179s have to go through inspections as well. CI is a different story since they have nothing but 75 footers and their fleet is old now. Also Loaning R179s from ENY is a dumb idea since that would require transfers on Friday night and Sunday night and the is no where near ENY to warrant a loan unless its for a brief time like the R32 and R160 swap between 2013-2014. Before the swap, CI was alright since they had the R160's to balance things out, Now that they got the R46s in return, It makes things more complicated since the R46s require more spares due to it's age compared to the R160s that require a lower spare factor.

keep in mind all things are subject to change and the train can enter service earlier than the spring. As of now it's just a projected date. They had to replace certain parts and etc. So they are now testing the cars to make sure they work. This is normal and why it's always good to test a train before throwing it in service.

Damn i just saw the press release and oof. So we got to wait until the spring for these to do their 30 day in revenue service test Smfh. I understand they want to make sure things work but these R46's can barely run as it is and now the R68s are starting to run like shit. I rode an R46 on the today and the floors were shot and mind you this car was SMS'ed back in 2008-2009 when it received a new floor. The R32s and R42s had their floors completely replaced in 2001-2004 and they didn't sag even during their last days. I rode an R68A on the and the thing could barely run, Once in a while they would be slow but i took 2 R68A trains and they were dogs. I know it wasn't the T/O because even with full power the the train was slow.

Prior to the R46s going to Coney Island and The R32 retirement, The R46s were very reliable and have been since post GOH 1991 to present day. Besides them Running on the , They were mainly on the with a few on the for rush hours. If it had a higher spare factor, reliability wouldn't be as bad, It's still drop a little due to them being on the / 24/7 but it wouldn't be as bad.

It wasn't all cars, They only did the ones that were on the M shuttle. The others just got a touch up like painting the end bonnets.

The R46's are bad because of the lack of spares and the fact they are running on the and 24/7 and the fact that the and is sharing the R46s with a very small spare factor plays a big part on why the R46s reliability has dropped. If they have the spares, It would lessen the blow on the R46s. It would be smart to send about 6 to 8 sets of R46s to CI when the R211s are officially in service to increase their spare factor instead of downright retiring them until the 8th set of R211s enters service. They really had no choice, They didn't even get an SMS and when they did they only did a very light one to 18 cars for that shuttle. They Even tried retiring them around 2012 with 50 R32s after they were SMS'ed but they decided not to do that because they didn't want to reduce the R32s spare factor. I think the R262 order and the R68 replacements will come within the same time frame, It's possible. Plus There is no rush to get the R262s since CBTC has been pushed back for Lexington ave.

All of that is being pushed back, I wouldn't expect the R262 order to be awarded until at least 2024-2025. Lexington CBTC has been pushed back in favor for 6th ave and crosstown CBTC. So When it comes to that, The Conversions are up in the air.

They pretty much saying the entire R46 fleet (* on paper*) is being replaced. People Think the Base order is going somewhere else when it says in the MTA Document " The Cars to be Purchased under Option I will provide replacements for the R46 fleet that runs on the and lines . These Cars , Like the cars in the Base contract (Base order cars), Will be CBTC equipped and to facilitate the continued expansion of CBTC on the 8th ave Line." Meaning pitkin will still get the base order cars and a small chunk of the option I cars (150 cars i would say) to make the 100% full length.

They already have more than enough 8 car units. The has about 92 R179s which is 11.5 sets. There is no need to order more 8 car units than what is being ordered with the R211 order. It's better to consolidate the 8 car R179s in one yard instead of having them in 2 yards. ENY already have a large fleet of 8 car units. When The R179s are CBTC equipped, They Can run on the line. This would reduce the need for spares since now the can use the R179s instead of using a dedicated fleet of R160s. Meaning the can share it's fleet except the R143s and R160 8313-8376 (a set in this pool did make an appearance on the post. CBTC but it for that one day). Jamaica can't get the R179s since it would already add another car type to their fleet and has to potential to get the R211s. R160s would be the better option. The only need 13 trains which it uses now with 5 cars. They wouldn't have mixed length trains running on the because there will be more than enough 8 car R160s needed for the and it could use the spares (2 sets are laid up in Jamaica Yard) during the off peak hours (weekends) And The reason why the never had lengthened trains because TA decided to reef 75% of the 60 foot SMEE fleet on top of having R44s with frame issues. This is also the reason why the never went full length because there weren't enough cars to make it happen. The has ridership and it will grow even more if congestion pricing goes into effect. The is a crosstown line so people coming from Downtown Brooklyn, Williamsburg, Bed-Sty and etc. will use the line more to transfer to the and lines to get into the city. So the being 10 cars would help and would be better off that way instead of being 8 cars anyway. Also All R160s 8377 and up, R179s and R211s CBTC has to be cross compatible with all current and upcoming CBTC lines except the line (this could change) for flexibility

They would have more than enough cars. ENY has a very large spare factor since their Fleets are used in groups. The uses 64 R160A-1s (8313-76) and all of the R143s. The uses It's own R160A-1 group (8377-8612, * 9551-54 and others outside of 8612 has also been used) The uses all of the R179s, R160A-1 8613-8652/9943-74 and the R143/R160A-1 spares from the / groups. Them losing a portion the 8 car R160s isn't going to hurt them because they will gain the 8 car R179s from 207th st which by then will be equipped with CBTC to run on the line meaning the & can share both R160s and R179s meaning you can slightly reduce the spare factor by 5-10%. The R211 order only calls for 32 4 car units that would help the line or allow more cars to run on the line. IMO if the stays at Jamaica which is very likely, It should just be full length of 10 cars for fleet uniformity (share with the fleet) which i think might happen. Have the 8 car R179s at ENY and either create a new line between chambers st and Bay ridge or just extend the to south Brooklyn (9th ave) Have every other go to 9th ave during the rush hour this way it wouldn't screw up skip stop service. 4th ave need an additional local anyway which I'm surprised still isn't addressed.

No, That's why the R142As had to be completely converted and that's why there's a large cabinet on the right side outside of the cab on the R188s. The R142/R142A order was signed in 1997 and didn't have CBTC in mind when it came to the IRT. The line however was planned hence the R143s being built CBTC ready.

R179 will be CBTC compatible before option Order II. They need the 130 R179s (5 car units) to Be CBTC ready and the 8 car ones as well meaning they can run on the . This would allow ENY to lose a portion of their 8 car R160s for the R143s,R160s and R179s were delivered without CBTC kits but were built CBTC ready (meaning all TA or the vendor has to do is install the CBTC kits)

I doubt the R142s will get kits. Just like the R142As they would have to do more than just install kits. The R143s-R179s were built with CBTC in mind while the R142/R142As weren't. By the time the R262 order is on property (if it gets approved) the R142s would be at age for retirement along with the R62s (they would be way over the retirement age) It wouldn't be wise to do the same they did wit the R188s. The R188 conversion was planned and done over a decade ago. Plus the R142s would need a complete rebuild. The R142A's would be cheaper for conversion since there are over 200 left vs over 1,000 R142 cars. But, they will only need the entire R262 order (all options as well) to make Lexington 100% CBTC enabled while all the unconverted R142s would be pushed to the 7th ave line. This could also mean changes in terms of the routes to avoid swapping CBTC and Non CBTC equipment meaning the or the could change southern terminals while the and could also change southern terminals putting those trunk lines together instead of ex. / at flatbush. By the time 7th ave get CBTC, The R142s would be up for replacement anyway since that line is dead last when it comes to CBTC.

The Base order cars are still in line to replace the already retired R32s (50% of the remaining fleet, The other 50% were replaced by the R179s) The SI R44s and the some of the R46s. The Option order would replace the remaining R46s completely. Option Order II is just for fleet expansion.

There is a spare issue, Besides the crew shortage. One of my friends who is a senior T/O even explained this to me that on some days they have ABDs due to having no equipment. Esp on the line. It's a weird situation, You have the R46s at CI which run like pure garbage (those issues could be solved by running the R46s on the ). They Can get away with certain things for now due to the crew shortage but they will have to figure out something within a year or two. If Congestion pricing wasn't pushed as hard, Then this wouldn't be an issue. I wish all parties involved come up with a solution and push Congestion pricing back until at least 2025.

Just because the farebox is removed doesn't mean it's scrapped. It could go to MTA bus. They swap out fareboxes most of the time. Until the bus is at ECH in the scrap lot, I wouldn't say its scrapped until then.

They only are going to keep a handful (for now, all subject to change) They are only scrapping 40 to 50% of the fleet. That percentage could increase but for now the scrap contract only calls for a certain amount which was already planned before they made the decision to retire them. They don't need all 222 cars since the R179s replaced half of the fleet and the first 80 or so R211cars are replacing the remaining R32s that are already retired. What you and other people don't seem to understand is that the B divsion (Pitkin, CI and Concourse) have basically barely to no spares. The remaining R32s weren't supposed to retire until the 1st R211 set enters service. Politics is what made MTA decide to retire the R32s that they were going to keep plus covid was the final nail in the coffin. Then the R179 incident happened in 2020 which brought the R32s back until October of that year. Then they were in storage until late 2021 when decided to officially retire the remaining cars because at that time they thought since the R211s were already on property and were going to be in service 12 months after delivery. That's what made them make the decision which do make sense. The one issue did not look at is the supply chain shortage which could cause delays in the order. Then the other problems started piling up and now they are in a situation where they have no spares and the R46s are taking a beating because of it. Like it or not when the R32s were running, The R46s didn't have as much issues as they do now. The has to share their R46s with a 5 set spare factor and a pair of A-A cars which isn't enough due to how much cars you need for the line alone. The R179s barely do anything because there is only 130 of them for the which is 10% (they use 9-10 sets with the remaining being spares). And the is mixed length which is dumb all together. put themselves in a corner due to betting too much on the R211s when issues started popping up Both with the cars and at the plant on top of the supply chain shortages. Now They have to deal with an unreliable R46 fleet until enough R211s cover the void. Plus I don't see any R46s with the exception of cars that are shot beyond repair going out so fast. They need the cars and with the city and state pushing for congestion pricing, Scrapping anything outside of the R32s would be very dumb.

That was actually going to happen due to the shutdown that got canceled later on. The would have been R46s and full length R179s. The would have been what it is now 100% tech trains. The would have been 100% R160s as it is now along with the (The R46/160 swap was going to happen earlier than late 2019). The would have been a mix of 8 car R32s and R160s or R179s. The would have been a mixture of R32s,R42s,R46s and R68s. As much as thought back then this would have been stupid, It made sense because the wouldn't be affected by the shutdown and it was the only logical place to put the R32 and R42 fleet instead of keeping them on the lines which needed a more reliable fleet due to the shutdown. Plus the is a part time line. The having the R32s to run with the 8 car techs would have been mainly due to the R32 fleet being at CIY instead of having the fleet in 2 yards. Making the 100% tech at that time would have made sense due to the fact that line goes near the affected areas of the line. Also the R160s started appearing on the and lines in early 2010, So They been on the since then, From 2010-2015 there were about 2-4 R160s on the then around 2016 or 2017 they started using the R160s on the on weekends from Jamaica yard ( Laid up R160s) making the half and Half on weekends and during the week about the same 2 to 4 sets.