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I'm not looking at this from a railfan's point a view. I hate when people think that. I don't want to screwed because the idiots at 2 Broadway keep making dumb decisions while our local politicians are pushing for congestion pricing when we are still short on subway cars and staff. It's not my fault that didn't order enough cars when they had the chance. They had a chance to order more R160 cars but didn't. They could have added additional R179s (they got 16 cars for free) but they didn't. That's why the R32s lasted as long as they did. You guys clearly don't get it at all. I don't want to deal with another 6-10 year car shortage because of Bullshit decisions , We are in 2022 and the f**king train is still short and you have mixed length trains running around. This shouldn't be the case, Ridership will bounce right back up once they do congestion pricing because low income and semi middle class people will be forced to take the subway by default since its the cheaper option. Y'all sit here and want all these things to improve transit but without doing it right. Everyone wants congestion pricing but don't understand the negatives due to shitty management at . has a history of over scrapping trains and not replacing them and we get screwed. And the bullshit about low ridership, People said this in 2010 and the shit bounced right up soon after the cuts. In reality they had no choice but to cut service because of the R44 retirement, Them merging the helped which in turn helped retire the R44's without replacement until the returned in 2016 and 2nd ave opened requiring more cars in which Concourse had to give up a set or two of their R68s and Jamaica giving up 2 R160s and pitkin giving up 2 R46s to Jamaica. The R211 order is meant to fix all of these issues on top of replacing the already retired remaining R32s and the entire R46 fleet plus additional cars for fleet growth. The only issue is that the order is delayed which is no surprise due to the pandemic.

This has nothing to do with ridership, This is more like they won't use the extra or new drivers to cover for runs when that assigned B/O takes the day off or is on Vacation. Bus ridership is still very high

They wouldn't have to do that much cuts though. The issue is more of that CIY and Pitkin need more cars, They expected the R211s to be in service by now which isn't the case so they are in a tough spot. They can't really do cuts anyway but if they did it would only be the two lines i stated earlier and they would be more of an reduction of service rather than a cut. They really jumped the gun when the warning signs were there. This wouldn't be much of an issue if they put the R46s on the . This would help CIY give the cars more shop time during the weekends and help the R46s reliability. The only 2 lines that would still have issues until the R211s go into service would be the / .

Ok first off, What i'm posting are facts. When you have R46s running like dog shit and being taken OOS, It creates a gap in service. On top of that you have retards vandalizing them making things even worse. I take them daily on the and they are tired as f**k. They weren't this bad at Jamaica at all and the pitkin ones are decent but are starting to also show their problems. Nobody on here is saying the R32s are coming back. We are posting that the retiring them out of nowhere due to the fact that people bitched about them are causing the current issues. So yes It affects a lot of shit. Why the f**k do you think they wanted to keep them until the R211s? So they wouldn't run into this issue. The only thing that is keeping this issue to a somewhat minimal is the crew shortage. A Line like the has to share it's R46 spares with the which is very small (5 sets in totals and a pair), That's a problem. The only has 13 sets of R179s and The has 11. Most of the R46s on the / are now being vandalized hence why a T/O on facebook went on a rant about it which caused them to pull the plug on putting that R32 in regular service for a few trips. And Using that grown man argument is so f**king dumb when you have people in this transit community who do much worse shit than discuss regular shit like this. When you can't pull a train out the yard because you have no equipment, You get a ABD meaning you will have a gap in service. Why do you think the always have large gaps in service? Because they barely have the equipment. Hence why the spare factor argument.

They would only do cuts to one or two lines which is likely either the or , The others wouldn't be affected You posted all of that so Jamaica could lose some of their R160's back to CIY. You not slick.

And the funny thing is they could have barely ran them as well. They would have be the type of fleet where if they need a train, It'll go in service. They could have did that instead of flat out retiring them until the R211s are in service. The R211s are delayed due to the effects of covid (vendor delays, staff at the plant walking off the job and etc.). half of the R32 fleet were getting scrapped regardless like they are now while the remaining would stay which they are keeping a chunk (Subject to change) until the next scrap contract. Due to the delays of the R211s, We are going to have more issues with the R46 fleet unless they make cuts to a line where they can balance things out.

Things like this is the reason why the R46s run like shit. Idiots who complained to the governor is one of the reasons why the R32s aren't running anymore creating a spare shortage. spent money rehabbing 100 R32s to keep in service until the first R211s enter service after their 30 day test. Now you have a semi car shortage and the cars barely see shop time. The only thing saving everything from getting worse is the crew shortage. Sometimes people just need to shut up. When people complain about subway cars, They do things like over scrap cars and we end up with a decade long car shortage and having cars spend less time in the shop due to them being needed for service.

I thought they only do that on the trains as they get off snap a pic and get back on (That's annoying in itself) . Nah If i was on that bus, He would have stayed off. Esp if I'm going home.

I'm used to it, This is why it's better to take the Q60 at night. But nothing is worse than missing the train at 9pm at night and waiting between 15 to 30 mins.

Pretty much scrap at this point, They keep losing cars and now they really barely have spares. They really need to put the R46s on the at this point.

This Past Sunday reminded me how the Q114 sucks ass after 6pm. I don't know how the thought it was a good idea to end Q113 service after 6pm on a sunday was a good idea. I used to live along the Q111,Q113 and the Q114 (originally the Q113 local) and It was never this bad.

Man, It would have been nice to run those R32s for more trips in regular service. But of course the idiots ruin it. There are things that they want to do with that train but because of the retards, They might pull the plug.

it was apart of the museum trip and it 2 round trips.

yeah its apart of the museum trip, I just saw.

Probably either for a movie shoot, Brake testing or a protection train for the Museum train That set that that was from Concourse is a scrap train.

The R179s are a smaller fleet within the . There are more R46's on the and about 8-10 R46s on the . The only has 92 R179s which is 11.5 sets which 9 out of 11.5 are used. So both fleets are used constantly with the R179s being more reliable. But the R179s barely help due to the fact the R46s dominate both lines. If there were more R179s on both lines, This would be a non issue. The Fleet age is very unbalanced on the since the older fleet make up 65-70% of both together with the having 88% R46s. This is why they have issues on top of a very small spare factor. R179s might be reliable but it doesn't do much since they make up 13% of the And The B division is suffering (except Jamaica and ENY) Due to the shortage of spares. The lines all have issues due to low spare factor. Concourse got screwed since 2016 hence the issues with the IC's and other issues that are finally being addressed. CIY has the R46s that are unreliable and the issues mentioned above.

Nope that's not the main reason. They have little shop time because you know, They barely have spares. 5 sets and a pair as spares for the is not enough and the main reason why they are dropping in performance. Even with the R179's, They barely do anything since they also have a low amount on both lines with the having only 130 cars.

The Last part, The would probably get the majority of the R211 fleet when Jamaica gets them. The is a mixed bag because if it's open gangway, The Line superintendent probably would throw a fit due to the being homeless central. But realistically they always make sure the get the newest equipment first, It's always been like that until the R160's. The originally was supposed to be first for the R160's then the early to mid 2009 but the line superintendent wasn't having it so they took a 4 car R160A-1 from ENY and started R160 qualifying crews and burn testing as well. The majority of the line crew were already Qualified to operate R160's as far back as July 2008 when they had a plan to use a few CI R160's on the until Jamaica got theirs in late 2008. When the R160's debuted on the , Half of the line crew weren't R160 qualified.

No Because of the R32 retirement, Spare factor has decreased hence why the R46s are barely doing great and always having issues. The R179's plus the extra 16 cars finally bridged the gap and allowed them to kill off 50%+ of the R32 fleet and all of the 50 R42's. Then they decided to retire all the R32s thus creating another car shortage in terms of spares. The had a very good R46 spare factor (12 sets in total) that was going to be reduced thanks to the R179s and the R32s would have supplemented to allow pitkin to send more R46s to CI yard increase their spare factor even more. Jamaica being all R160s made things worse because they need a higher spare factor but not on the level of ENY since ENY has car types and now has two CBTC lines instead of just one. And Also now CI has a fleet average of 35 years instead of 12 years (in 2020 their newest R160s were 12 years old. I'm not counting 9853-9942 as those were originally Jamaica's and were there only briefly). With the using R46s, The suffers as well. The / has to share 5 R46 sets together plus a pair and it doesn't help that 4 R46's combined plus one A car from an A-A set (6214) are OOS with the 4 cars pending scrap and 6214 as a spare R46. They are doing this to probably reduce the spare factor in the future. If these mixed trains are successful without issue, They can reduce the spare factor without issue and could send more 8 car R179s to the freeing up more R46s. The same could be said about CI with the R68s to slightly increase their spare factor.

There is an obsession of wanting the gone amongst foamers. They never ride the daily until the R32s started running on it. The works and it pisses me off when people compare it to the / .

They can retire them with a separate order, Why waste millions of dollars on converting those cars when by the time they do those cars they will be at retirement age. It took the TA a whole decade to get those cars right and to be reliable. There is over 1,000 of them on top of that. Converting them to CBTC will be a big pain in the ass since they weren't built with CBTC in mind like the R143 fleet and above which imo is a dumb oversight by MTA. If they want the R142s to last they would have to totally rebuild them from the ground up which again would cost money. All this is just copium at this point. I can't take you seriously after the first point.

You saying all of this bullshit because you want techs on the , Stop it. They can turn trains around at Jay St and at Atlantic ave. And SMEEs can Run on CBTC lines since the block signals will still be there, It's just less signals and more apart. 6th ave is being done because they will have the oldest signals in the system by the time CBTC work would start since they are IND original signals. With Lexington ave CBTC being delayed, Those R142s might retire instead of being converted either half or the whole fleet.

I see the R262 order being pushed back since Lexington CBTC is pushed back. The R62/62A fleet are still in decent shape so they can last up to 50 years with good maintenance.

Watch idiots still think that the they won't be funded even though this is proof This puts a smile on my face because the foamers are gonna cope with this news. I still think the R160s will go to CI for the while Jamaica gets their batch of R211s. The , , and will get them. The probably will still go 8 cars

Some of these comments are on here just make me laugh. The "Oh no one will return to office work" Virginia likes to say hello (Governor lied and is making people go back to office work.) Yeah it won't be like pre pandemic but It's not as bad as you guys make it out to be. Y'all said the same shit back in 2010 when they did the cuts. "oh ridership isn't gonna grow" and then within a year areas in north Brooklyn shot up in ridership. You can't predict the future because shit changes. Saying that getting new subway cars aren't a priority is a dumb argument. If the R32s were still running, You guys wouldn't say that. Plus the R211s are pretty much paid for and option order I seems like a lock according to the latest update. These guys lack common sense.