I beg to differ, they were slow as sh*t. The only good ones I remember driving were 5294, 5296 (fast but would not stop, had extremely long brakes), 5463 (same problem as 5296), 5477, 5491 and 5497 off the top of my head. 5301 and 5478 were the WORST of the crop, talk about NO power. I really wish NF didn't change articulated joint as the old ATG joint had a nice turning radius of 41' (although some feel like they turn much tighter) compared to the 44' radius on the new Hubner joints found on the LFSA and XD60.