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If you think climate change isn't happening...

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Thanks for posting the second URL...

 

ITS A &@$#%ing VIRUS!:tdown:

 

worked just fine for me...

 

 

anyway didn't need these to know that our climates are changing. My thinking though is that its always been like this since before we even came into existence. We might just be speeding up the process is all.

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The video works just fine.

I dare not to be outside in the wind when it's completely gone black with the sand.

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And how does this tie into global warming anyway? Call the theory what it is, I noticed they sneakily changed the language to climate change when temperatures started getting colder here, not warmer.

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I never said anything about the video not working, it is a corrupt website that starts opening connections from your computer to other shady hosts with DNS that resolves to names that are porn sites and other shady stuff. This laptop has never been to any porn sites and is password protected, I also have software that monitors all of the inbound and outbound TCP/IP UDP connections and when I clicked on that link all of these shayd connections started opening up. Before that my computer was clean and not opening up connections to sites like that.

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I appreciate your interest in climate change, and I agree that an indulgent, consumerist lifestyle is not good for humanity and the planet on many levels, but isolated cases of dust storms and/or forest fires do not prove anything and can be used to (falsely) justify any theory. Dust storms and forest fires occur as a matter of course, the latter being a natural part of the regeneration of an area's ecology.

 

It is perfectly possible that the current warming trends are part of a medium term (on a evolutionary time scale) change following the Medieval Warm Period from 800-1300 CE and the Little Ice Age staring then and continuing to the mid 19th century. Or, it could simply be the peak warm period of an interglacial phase in the longer term cycle of Ice Ages that has occurred regularly in the Pleistocene Era. Concerns over anthropogenic causes for accelerated glacial retreat are based on, what I feel, evidence that is too flimsy and models that are too speculative.

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Nothing on earth is isolated, especially weather.

 

Scientists are saying LA & LV are only a few years away from such events.

 

- A

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Nothing on earth is isolated, especially weather.

 

Scientists are saying LA & LV are only a few years away from such events.

 

- A

 

True, its not isolated, but it may well be a natural occurrence given our position between the end of one glacial period and perhaps the start of another in a few thousand years.

 

I am sure freak weather events such as dust storms happened hundreds or thousands of years ago as well, just that written records do not exist or survive. While I'm no biblical scholar, I think a lot of catastrophic events described in the Bible and other religious texts are simply word of mouth retellings of actual weather events (e.g. a massive flood). I am sure the Aborigines have seen a fair few dust storms in their time, just that today the news cycle moves so fast it makes once in a blue moon events seem like they are happening all the time. If the entire interior (~85%) of your country is a desert, it doesn't seem to far fetched to have a few sandstorms once in a while.

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I wouldn't blame the dust storms solely on climate change but neither would I dismiss the connection entirely. Perhaps they would not have been as severe if the atmosphere were more stable.

 

What I don't understand is why people think climate change is a made up conspiracy. Why would scientists concoct a theory out of nowhere? What would they gain out of it?

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What I don't understand is why people think climate change is a made up conspiracy. Why would scientists concoct a theory out of nowhere? What would they gain out of it?

 

Well, you never know. One story I have heard is that it is simply a way to secure funding for research, since scientists are never entirely happy with the amount of federal (taxpayer) funding for research projects, and the only way to get a stimulus package would be to scare the public out of it.

 

I also view the entire alternative fuel industry with a great deal of suspicion; I think going after alt. fuels will simply mean exchanging old masters (Big Oil) for new (Big Alt Fuels). There is definitely a lot of money to be made in, especially, wind and biofuel sectors.

 

Speaking of which, if the US and other countries don't stop or drastically reduce biofuel production, people in many countries will starve to death as food prices go astronomically high. Something almost as bad happened in late-2007 and a comprehensive rethink is necessary (proof that alternative fuels aren't the be all and end all of global energy resources).

 

The overwhelming sense of entitlement to getting an audience to listen to and agree with their predictions make me wonder about the entire environmental lobby. I keep seeing people try to appeal to "sympathy for the unfortunate" and rampant fear-mongering to try to drive home the point. While initial warnings about the impact of sea level rise focused on the fact that small countries like Tuvalu and the Maldives will go under water, recently I have seen the focus shift to more densely populated places, such as Bangladesh. Its much easier to increase the gravity of the situation by saying 150 million people (e.g. in Bangladesh) are at risk as opposed to 12,000 in Tuvalu (all of whom will be resettled in Australia and New Zealand anyway).

 

Footnote: I was volunteering at the World Science Festival (http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/2009/festival) and attended the "Carbon Conundrum" event, and it heavily invoked the fate of Bangladesh, the country I happen to have emigrated from. Bangladesh has been a magnet for natural disasters since time immemorial; in 1970, a hurricane killed between 200,000 and 300,000 people and played a part in precipitated a civil war that led to its secession from Pakistan, this at a time when "global cooling" was in vogue. (Just proving "warming" has nothing to do with natural disasters over there).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

 

I particularly like this article and find myself amazed how similar it is to one that may be written today, with 'warming' replacing 'cooling' and a few minor adjustments:

 

http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Edited by MAA89

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Earth has been cooling off since it was created, technically we are in global cooling. Global warming is a theory, not fact like Al Gore and others would like to crow. It is also a faulty theory, if you are going on weather patterns and temperature change, how reliable can century old data be when temperature monitoring devices have been improving by leaps and bounds in the last two decades alone compared to 100 years ago when all they had was a pad of paper, pencil, and a mercury thermometer.

 

On another intersting note, around 30-40 years ago lots of scientist were prediciting global cooling for around this time period. I'm guessing only a few lived long enough to see they were wrong. It is easy to predict things that will happen years after you are in a pine box.

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Well, you never know. One story I have heard is that it is simply a way to secure funding for research, since scientists are never entirely happy with the amount of federal (taxpayer) funding for research projects, and the only way to get a stimulus package would be to scare the public out of it.

 

I also view the entire alternative fuel industry with a great deal of suspicion; I think going after alt. fuels will simply mean exchanging old masters (Big Oil) for new (Big Alt Fuels). There is definitely a lot of money to be made in, especially, wind and biofuel sectors.

 

 

 

That's true. I'm just not much of a conspiracy theorist, so I typically wouldn't factor in motives of that nature. By nature, though, I'm an environmentalist, and I do believe that it is critical that we switch to alternate fuels.

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Global warming was invented by democrats to destroy George Bush.

 

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Right?

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Global warming was invented by democrats to destroy George Bush.

 

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Right?

 

That was real funny, I am still laughing. Sarcasm rules:p;)

 

On a serious note, it wasn't "invented" to "destroy" anybody, it's been circulating in the press for a few decades, always in the same shape and form ("we must do something before it's too late"), but with amusing alterations (e.g. the jump from global cooling to global warming).

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After this year I don't know if we're going through global cooling or global warming, this Summer started off cool and rainy but then we had a very much above average August which included a 9 day heat wave. Climate Change is occurring though statistically from the year 2000 there's has been like twice as much record highs than record lows. I wouldn't mind higher temperatures at all (I actually want them) but its just the environment I'm worried about.

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I wouldn't blame the dust storms solely on climate change but neither would I dismiss the connection entirely. Perhaps they would not have been as severe if the atmosphere were more stable.

 

What I don't understand is why people think climate change is a made up conspiracy. Why would scientists concoct a theory out of nowhere? What would they gain out of it?

 

Its just a theory any way you slice it. A theory isn't necessarily true. Why is it we never hear from the scientists who believe that it is false.

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Its just a theory any way you slice it. A theory isn't necessarily true. Why is it we never hear from the scientists who believe that it is false.

 

Actually in scientific terms a theory is a collection of ideas that have yet to be disproven. As soon as they are disproven, they are no longer a theory.

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At this stage theres theories for both sides

 

No, there are ideas that don't work and there is the absolute reality of human caused climate change. Just look at when we started using oil from the ground (vs whales) on a population chart.

 

- A

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At one point it was universal that people thought the world was flat too. And these guys cant even get their terms straight, first it was Global Warming, and when the weather got colder they changed it to Climate Change to cover their asses, so they can now blame any freak weather anomaly on climate change.

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No, there are ideas that don't work and there is the absolute reality of human caused climate change. Just look at when we started using oil from the ground (vs whales) on a population chart.

 

- A

 

People who cannot predict whether on a day-to-day scale should hardly be making claims of what has happened (and will happen) over centuries. Just the other day, the Fox 5 weather reporter advised carrying umbrellas on Friday, but no rain came.

 

Like I said, tropical countries that were always magnets for hurricanes, flooding and tsunamis should not be used as examples of the consequence of global warming, since these places would experience the same freak weather in any case.

 

Hurricanes have occasionally struck New York City, especially in 1821, 1893 and 1938, with devastating effects. If one were to happen today, people would automatically point the finger at global warming, ignoring the fact that they happen once in a while of their own accord (in New York, on a cycle of about one every 70 to 80 years).

 

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050601_hurricane_1938.html

 

http://www.nypress.com/article-11820-the-big-one.html

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Global warming is a theory, not fact like Al Gore and others would like to crow.

 

of course al gore and his associates would love to brainwash us into believing in all this global warming nonsense. they don't care about the environment or the fact that they purposely misinterpret and misrepresent science to scare us into investing in alt. energy resources, all they are looking out for is the lining of their own pockets. al gore is in business of selling carbon footprints and "offsets" his own outrageous energy consumption by buying said footprints.... oh, get this... from his OWN company. boosting the investments of his own company = increased profits for him. so of course he'd wants us to do the same. if we all invest in being "green", his pockets mysteriously get a whole lot greener. not to mention all of the stocks he and his cronies invested in all these alt. energy resource programs. yeah. REAL legit. he's not looking out for the green, he's in it FOR the green. he's a crook and global warming is a SCAM to make our already small wallets smaller and his already bulging wallet overflow. i say no thank you to that. :tdown:

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