R160 sighting at Lefferts

[fishmech]

Isn't it usually the way things go that the never gets the latest cars until all the other B Division Lines get them?

[Grand Concourse]

Not sure about that, but for a long while when R38s and R44s where there - there was no need to give the A 'new cars' since those two fleets are esentially isolated on the A/C lines.

Coney can handle practically anything, Concourse yard is set with R68s only, and Jamaica yard can no longer handle the older smees. So by default Pitkin-207th would be last to get newer trains.

[R32 3348]

They are burning tests on the Fulton as always, but due to politics they cannot run there.

 

I Agree. But politics do shape the way that the R160s are currently distributed, except for the Jamaica EL.

FALSE

Thank you. R160s CAN run on the , and there is absolutely NO power issue in the Rockaways because R160s are tested out in the Rockaways, and all of the line rather.

From what I've heard (doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% correct) there was an existing power issue in the Rockaways but that problem was fixed a WHILE ago. Makes perfect sense considering they test out in the Rockaways all the time.

[LRG]

FALSE

 

From what I've heard (doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% correct) there was an existing power issue in the Rockaways but that problem was fixed a WHILE ago. Makes perfect sense considering they test out in the Rockaways all the time.

 

Okay, thanks.

[KNIGHTRIDER3:16]

Thank you. R160s CAN run on the , and there is absolutely NO power issue in the Rockaways because R160s are tested out in the Rockaways, and all of the line rather.

 

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[Grand Concourse]

Nice job man! :tup:

And I agree, they ran the R160 out to Far Rockaway a few years ago. I rode it and took some pics of it in 2006:

[NX Express]

Isn't it usually the way things go that the never gets the latest cars until all the other B Division Lines get them?

 

The , IIRC, will always be the B Div old train dump because 207 Yard is the only B Div Yard with direct water access (for reefing).

[m7zanr160s]

The , IIRC, will always be the B Div old train dump because 207 Yard is the only B Div Yard with direct water access (for reefing).

 

What does IIRC mean? I know it's a common phrase like, "IMO," but it's just not coming to mind.

[Fan Railer]

What does IIRC mean? I know it's a common phrase like, "IMO," but it's just not coming to mind.

 

if i recall correctly;)

[NX Express]

if i recall correctly;)

 

I thought it was If I Remember Correctly!

[m7zanr160s]

OK, thanks. Now I know.

[Juggler24]

well normally they dont burn test r160 at lefferts so that is new.........maybe they are training the crew for the r160s...............................:tup:

[Kingsbridge Bus]

well normally they dont burn test r160 at lefferts so that is new.........maybe they are training the crew for the r160s...............................:tup:

 

I wish, but I highly doubt it.

[R32 3348]

I think R160s have been tested on the Lefferts line before. Also, were you able to get a car number? @OP

[R44 5278]

The , IIRC, will always be the B Div old train dump because 207 Yard is the only B Div Yard with direct water access (for reefing).

 

Not only that, the N, Q, E, and F riders play a massive role in getting the new trains b/c most are generally wealthy, while the riders on the A usually don't have a say. It's the sad truth.

[Kingsbridge Bus]

Not only that, the , , , and riders play a massive role in getting the new trains b/c most are generally wealthy, while the riders on the usually don't have a say. It's the sad truth.

 

It's sad but at least the R38's are gone. I had lots of problems with them

[R44 5278]

Everyone look, if you know about induction with A/C Traction Motors, you'll understand that there was never a problem with running NTTs in the Rockaways. Every employee and worker covers the fact that they favor the residents of N, Q, E, and F lines by their income with this whole Rockaway problem in that the NTTs can't draw enough power. In addition, they use this lie as an excuse to make the A the permanent scrap line that runs the oldest trains simply b/c it's connected to 207th Yard. Remember, AC Traction Motors don't function like DC Traction Motors.

[Grand Concourse]

Not only that, the N, Q, E, and F riders play a massive role in getting the new trains b/c most are generally wealthy, while the riders on the A usually don't have a say. It's the sad truth.

 

What kind of generalization is that? Coney Island yard can handle practically anything. Jamaica yard could no longer maintain the R32s and needed newer trains. And what of ENY? That doesn't exactly scream 'wealth', but they have R160s as well. It has nothing to do with 'wealth'.

 

Before you bring up the R142s:

The 3 was supposed to get R142s, before it was decided to shift the 4's R62s to the 3 as the 3 was a part time line and didn't need the R142s.

The 7 line for some time had problems with the 3rd rail and the R142s couldn't draw enough power to run the train. Plus it ran 11-car trains meaning sets would've had to be broken up.

[R44 5278]

What kind of generalization is that? Coney Island yard can handle practically anything. Jamaica yard could no longer maintain the R32s and needed newer trains. And what of ENY? That doesn't exactly scream 'wealth', but they have R160s as well. It has nothing to do with 'wealth'.

 

Before you bring up the R142s:

The 3 was supposed to get R142s, before it was decided to shift the 4's R62s to the 3 as the 3 was a part time line and didn't need the R142s.

The 7 line for some time had problems with the 3rd rail and the R142s couldn't draw enough power to run the train. Plus it ran 11-car trains meaning sets would've had to be broken up.

 

When you're wealthy, you have more say in politics right? Look at the E residents (some residents of Kew Gardens and Middle Village are quite wealthy), they almost automatically got the R160As b/c they were complaining about the R32s.

 

Second, the R142s had problems with the traction motors themselves in that they couldn't generate more power. AFAIK, the NTTs draw the same amount of power as the older trains, but the Induction component in the AC Traction Motors generate more power using electromagnets to increase the voltage to 625v. If the R142 traction motors couldn't even do that, then no wonder why they couldn't run. On a side note, all R142s for short time bypassed the regenerative braking b/c their internal components couldn't handle the power feeding back into the main system. This clearly shows that it was the something wrong with the train and not the amount of power it takes in.

[jimbob60]

The "wealthy" E train riders had nothing but 40++ yr old R32's with poor A/C through summer 2008 and so were overdue to receive new cars

[R32 3348]

Not only that, the N, Q, E, and F riders play a massive role in getting the new trains b/c most are generally wealthy, while the riders on the A usually don't have a say. It's the sad truth.

No, wealth has nothing to do with car assignments.

Coney Island got R160s because they had 400 R40s that needed to be retired.

ENY got the R160s because they had 400 R42s that needed to be retired.

Jamaica got the R160s because they had ~300 R32s that needed to be retired.

The was originally slated to get R160s but there were power problems at the Rockaways which have since been fixed.

Every employee and worker covers the fact that they favor the residents of N, Q, E, and F lines by their income with this whole Rockaway problem in that the NTTs can't draw enough power. In addition, they use this lie as an excuse to make the A the permanent scrap line that runs the oldest trains simply b/c it's connected to 207th Yard. Remember, AC Traction Motors don't function like DC Traction Motors.

I don't understand why you think this is a conspiracy. The workers aren't hiding anything at all. It would be impossible for the to tell every worker to tell this "lie" to everyone in the general public. The doesn't favor the residents of any community. If anything, the community forces the to appeal to them at times, for example when the Jamaica's R32s had a mass A/C breakdown they decided to remedy the problem with R160s. The is also not the permanent scrap line as Pitkin and 207th are likely candidates to get new cars when the time for ordering new cars comes (now that yard such as East NY and Coney Island are out of the picture for receiving new cars).

 

Oh, and I don't know where you got the fact that riders are particularly wealthy. Both the and go through parts of Jamaica that I'm sure quite a few people would not want to hang around at night. Also, the does not serve Middle Village at all. By using the same logic, the passes through "ghetto after ghetto" and it's using R160s. So does the and its fleet is completely NTT. The pass through the South Bronx and their fleets are both 100% R142. Using wealth and politics as an argument is completely invalid.

[Grand Concourse]

Damn, that 'thanks' button disappeared. Nevertheless, A+ Kris.

[R44 5278]

Kris, then how would you explain that the N and Q riders got the R160s first when they had the second newest fleet, the R68/As? Why couldn't the B get them when it's also based off CI Yard? Also why didn't you mention the 4 train? You know as well as I do that Bloomberg wanted only new trains on "his" line.

 

On a side note what's going to replace the R42s on the J/M/Z when they are gone? Between the R42 and R160s, there is nothing that can replace their old trains as nearly all the fleets are 75ft trains. The R143 were dedicated the L for CBTC, something that the T/A marked on the Jamaica EL for last priority. Since the 75fters can't clear Eastern Division, the T/A dedicated their personal fleet of R160As to take out one their old trains.

[Grand Concourse]

The B is a part time line. The W is too, but the W shares the northern terminal with the N and it was just better off making the W R160s as well than to manually change the signs. The Q is not all R160s, I still see a good number of R68/As.

 

Again as I said above, the 3 is a part time line - that's why it made no sense to give the 3 R142s. R62s were 20years old and were a better fit for the 3 as it wasn't as demanding as the 4 line.

 

Unless there's no more cars they can order, I would guess they would buy more 4-car R160 sets to retire the remaining R42s in ENY.

[R32 3348]

Kris, then how would you explain that the N and Q riders got the R160s first when they had the second newest fleet, the R68/As? Why couldn't the B get them when it's also based off CI Yard? Also why didn't you mention the 4 train? You know as well as I do that Bloomberg wanted only new trains on "his" line.

 

On a side note what's going to replace the R42s on the J/M/Z when they are gone? Between the R42 and R160s, there is nothing that can replace their old trains as nearly all the fleets are 75ft trains. The R143 were dedicated the L for CBTC, something that the T/A marked on the Jamaica EL for last priority. Since the 75fters can't clear Eastern Division, the T/A dedicated their personal fleet of R160As to take out one their old trains.

As Phil said, the got them first because the was a full-time line compared to the ( and and probably has higher ridership than the . Even though the got them next instead of the , that was because it would make (N)s changing into (W)s much easier at Ditmars Blvd. The is the only other full-time line out of CI so it also got the R160s. Also, Bloomberg's line is the , not the . His home station is 77th St. The serves wealthy areas in Manhattan but it's a completely different story in the Bronx and Brooklyn (especially during late nights when it goes via the Livonia line).

 

The last example you provided for the is correct since it's yard capabilities that influence what subway cars go on what lines for the most part and not politics.