Eastman346 Posted April 1, 2008 Share #1 Posted April 1, 2008 Now that the congestion pricing plan looks like its almost final, can our subway's handle the extra load that is anticipated? What do you guys think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted April 1, 2008 Share #2 Posted April 1, 2008 If the MTA implements service improvements where they can to get people into that congestion zone, then yes, the MTA should be able to handle it. But only time will tell when the tolls are put up in Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted April 2, 2008 Share #3 Posted April 2, 2008 When we're REALLY going to be boned is when East Side Access is complete, and the SAS ain't ready yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdotny Posted April 2, 2008 Share #4 Posted April 2, 2008 I'm pretty sure the MTA will work with the City. While I strongly agree with Mayor Bloomberg and Speaker Quinn, I am worried about the East Side. Basically, the Lex lines will have to run every 1-3 minutes during rush and 5 during non-rush. I hope MDBFs go up this year...some proof the MTA can handle the anticipated load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted April 2, 2008 Share #5 Posted April 2, 2008 I don't think so. That's why they will buy so many more extra buses if this CP gets approved. Instead of a sea of yellow, you will see a sea of white with blue stripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted April 2, 2008 Share #6 Posted April 2, 2008 yes if they take out the timers and increase the speed of the trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted April 3, 2008 Share #7 Posted April 3, 2008 yes if they take out the timers and increase the speed of the trains. That won't happen. They don't trust us "employees", using our own judgement, like they did with the old timers. That is why they have so much stuff in place in RTO, and so many people watching us at surface. With the "employees" now, they think they have a bunch of Spanish and ebonics speaking "monkeys" from the hood working for them. For they Caucasians who work for them......Well sometimes you have to hurt the ones you love, to get to the ones you distrust. There is a reason why employees and monkeys are in quotes........Some will figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted April 3, 2008 Share #8 Posted April 3, 2008 Yeah I don't think you going to get much better Rush Hour service because they run the max on all lines already. The only real improvement in service will be Off peak in the Subways but most will be Bus Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted April 3, 2008 Share #9 Posted April 3, 2008 There is a reason why employees and monkeys are in quotes........Some will figure it out. I have figured it out since i was 13 Years old, heh heh.. We had a guy in Schoolcar (who made it known several times about his collage "degree" he had) that "even a monkey" can learn this job... Guess where he is now?? Not employed by the MTA... With his collage degree and all he couldnt learn how to stop the train the right way. He aced all the written tests,but he failed his road pratical TWICE(Yes they gave him a second chance). So if a "Monkey" could do this job why isnt here down here?? Think about it....:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastman346 Posted April 3, 2008 Author Share #10 Posted April 3, 2008 I think the IRT Lexington would struggle the most. The people who drive to avoid that line would stay driving I think. The $8 would be worth it for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted April 3, 2008 Share #11 Posted April 3, 2008 It depends on which lines the BMT boadways line handle it as well as the eastern lines. but the A div cant handle it those R142/As are too fraigle for that kind of punishment they would really start breaking down. Unless they put CBTC on the lex then that will help.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted April 3, 2008 Share #12 Posted April 3, 2008 ANY car would be too fragile for that kind of job. Even your oh so precious perfect GREATbirds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted April 3, 2008 Share #13 Posted April 3, 2008 ANY car would be too fragile for that kind of job. Even your oh so precious perfect GREATbirds. WRONG a BMT standard could handle that kind of punishment. And the greatbirds would handle that job like its nothing. Watch when this congestion pricing gets put into effect. How they will have major car shortages becuase of so many R142/143/160s OOS with dead motor problems LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted April 3, 2008 Share #14 Posted April 3, 2008 Also CBTC is not the answer to the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted April 3, 2008 Share #15 Posted April 3, 2008 I have figured it out since i was 13 Years old, heh heh.. We had a guy in Schoolcar (who made it known several times about his collage "degree" he had) that "even a monkey" can learn this job... Guess where he is now?? Not employed by the MTA... With his collage degree and all he couldnt learn how to stop the train the right way. He aced all the written tests,but he failed his road pratical TWICE(Yes they gave him a second chance). So if a "Monkey" could do this job why isnt here down here?? Think about it....:cool: Ha...not to get "off topic" or anything but I'll just say quickly that as someone who is IN college I see that attitude way too much. All about memorizing things not how to actually use em, gonna be interesting when these people start work.. Also seen the "too good for real work" attitude...when im here i work at a hockey rink, we keep it clean, help make ice sometimes, keep people out where they aint suppose to be, all that jazz...seen kids show up you hand em a broom or a mop and they want to quit on the spot. Well as far as jobs for students this one pays well and i work with good people so the joke's on them when im making $$$ on a saturday night and they're out blowing $$$ on a night theyre not even gonna remember anyway. i lucked out got a job lined up for next year and everything, now a lot of the kids who think college is just a mix of "the real world" (on MTV) and the movie animal house are gonna have to pay the piper when they haveta pound payment just to get a job as a paper pusher somewhere... /end of rant B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted April 4, 2008 Share #16 Posted April 4, 2008 When we're REALLY going to be boned is when East Side Access is complete, and the SAS ain't ready yet Why don't they just make the SAS elevated, get it done in a quarter of the time, no TBM's needed. Would make an interesting addition, and bring the rapid transit back to its roots of being elevated. - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted April 4, 2008 Share #17 Posted April 4, 2008 Why don't they just make the SAS elevated, get it done in a quarter of the time, no TBM's needed. Would make an interesting addition, and bring the rapid transit back to its roots of being elevated. - Andy This would also decrease the groundwater pumping needed to keep the tunnel dry, and decrease the cost of lighting, and if done right would look really cool in conjunction with the east side access/CGT/highline redevelopment ideas.... Am i missing a huge reason for them not doing this? - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted April 4, 2008 Share #18 Posted April 4, 2008 WRONG a BMT standard could handle that kind of punishment. And the greatbirds would handle that job like its nothing. Watch when this congestion pricing gets put into effect. How they will have major car shortages becuase of so many R142/143/160s OOS with dead motor problems LOL. How would you know? The redbirds went because it WAS TIME TO GO. They were beginning to rust and a lot of rust can appear and weaken steel in 5 years. I bet you loved the R142A five years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted April 4, 2008 Share #19 Posted April 4, 2008 Am i missing a huge reason for them not doing this? - Andy NIMBYs!!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted April 4, 2008 Share #20 Posted April 4, 2008 How would you know?The redbirds went because it WAS TIME TO GO. They were beginning to rust and a lot of rust can appear and weaken steel in 5 years. I bet you loved the R142A five years ago. Dude a BMT standard desroyed ocean parkway station in the 60s. Those cars can handle congestion pricing as well as the greatbirds and R32-R42 fleets and the 75ft cars. They went though worst punishment in the 70s and 80s and still ran great in the 90s and this decade. The NTT CANNOT handle that kind of punishment due to many computerized parts end of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted April 5, 2008 Share #21 Posted April 5, 2008 NIMBYs!!! :) Psh, some people! - Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken S. Posted April 5, 2008 Share #22 Posted April 5, 2008 Dude a BMT standard desroyed ocean parkway station in the 60s. Those cars can handle congestion pricing as well as the greatbirds and R32-R42 fleets and the 75ft cars. They went though worst punishment in the 70s and 80s and still ran great in the 90s and this decade. The NTT CANNOT handle that kind of punishment due to many computerized parts end of story. Never knew about the Standard destroying that station. A Standard did win a fight with both an R16 and an R27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted April 6, 2008 Share #23 Posted April 6, 2008 I have figured it out since i was 13 Years old, heh heh.. We had a guy in Schoolcar (who made it known several times about his collage "degree" he had) that "even a monkey" can learn this job... Guess where he is now?? Not employed by the MTA... With his collage degree and all he couldnt learn how to stop the train the right way. He aced all the written tests,but he failed his road pratical TWICE(Yes they gave him a second chance). So if a "Monkey" could do this job why isnt here down here?? Think about it....:cool: Cause he was a loud Baboon, not a monkey......... Some people outsmart themselves so much, that they can't do a simple task correctly.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted April 6, 2008 Share #24 Posted April 6, 2008 I have figured it out since i was 13 Years old, heh heh.. We had a guy in Schoolcar (who made it known several times about his collage "degree" he had) that "even a monkey" can learn this job... Guess where he is now?? Not employed by the MTA... With his collage degree and all he couldnt learn how to stop the train the right way. He aced all the written tests,but he failed his road pratical TWICE(Yes they gave him a second chance). So if a "Monkey" could do this job why isnt here down here?? Think about it....:cool: Maybe he thought it was easy beacuse darius started stealing trains since he was 12. Maybe that guy heard the story about darius and thought operating trains was easy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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