R1103 Posted November 16, 2010 Share #1 Posted November 16, 2010 Hi all. I don't know if it's been discussed before, but does anyone know where the Second Avenue Subway's yard will be once it's built, or where it would/will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 16, 2010 Share #2 Posted November 16, 2010 It has been discussed before, again we don't know. It isn't even done yet. Though the Second Avenue Subway has connections to the Coney Island Yard due to the , and it has connections to the Jamaica Yard due to the . Though we don't know for certain what cars would use the line or the yard they would be based out of. We would know only when Second Avenue is complete and most of us would be dead by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted November 16, 2010 Share #3 Posted November 16, 2010 Hi all. I don't know if it's been discussed before, but does anyone know where the Second Avenue Subway's yard will be once it's built, or where it would/will be? There will be space to lay up trains past 96th St in phase one, in phase 2, it will be past what ever station is the temp. terminal. From the track drawings, it looks as though there may not be space for lay ups if and when the SAS gets to 125th St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 17, 2010 Share #4 Posted November 17, 2010 It has been discussed before, again we don't know. It isn't even done yet. Though the Second Avenue Subway has connections to the Coney Island Yard due to the , and it has connections to the Jamaica Yard due to the . Though we don't know for certain what cars would use the line or the yard they would be based out of. We would know only when Second Avenue is complete and most of us would be dead by then. I dont think it'll ever go south of 63rd St. It will get up to 125th, where the will terminate, a couple tail tracks on 2Av north of 125th for layups/possible Bronx extension, and using the yard and equipment the uses now (Coney). Unless they build tracks directly from the 63rd tube in Queens onto 2Av, Jamaica is difficult as the trains would have to ping pong near the Lex Av Station, not an ideal place to turn, especially on a regular basis. What would probably happen is service will become more frequent earlier in the morning so there will be enough southbound service out of 125th that there will only be a need for two put-ins from those LU tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 17, 2010 Share #5 Posted November 17, 2010 Well if the is ever extended north into the Bronx in whatever future that would be it could use the Concourse Yard in the Bronx if it uses the former 3rd Avenue El alignment. Or it could be extended into the Montague Street Tunnel along with the and get to Coney Island. Or if there isn't too much money left connect it to the east of Houston Street and have it run on the Culver Viaduct to Coney Island. I doubt all that would happen though there isn't much money and if it happens we would most likely be dead. Though it would happen someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 17, 2010 Share #6 Posted November 17, 2010 I dont think they'll ever be a , just a to 125th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted November 17, 2010 Share #7 Posted November 17, 2010 I hope we can at least get that - the extension to 125th Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted November 17, 2010 Share #8 Posted November 17, 2010 Another train has to serve Astoria if the is rerouted to the SAS. The alone can't handle Astoria during the rush hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 17, 2010 Share #9 Posted November 17, 2010 That's why the is only temporarily dead. It will come back once Second Avenue opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 17, 2010 Share #10 Posted November 17, 2010 That's why the is only temporarily dead. It will come back once Second Avenue opens. And if you're lucky the might get down to the West End for rush hours, ending that discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alargule Posted November 17, 2010 Share #11 Posted November 17, 2010 That's why the is only temporarily dead. It will come back once Second Avenue opens. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 17, 2010 Share #12 Posted November 17, 2010 Source? Its his educated guess. Something has to happen once you take all those out of Astoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Dougherty Posted November 18, 2010 Share #13 Posted November 18, 2010 What would make sense is to run the up to Astoria and put the back onto Queens Blvd, especially if they decide to put the (G)'s southern terminal back to Smith-9th. By all accounts, the newly-rerouted is working well as a 6th Ave. line, and routing it to Astoria would make it even more popular, IMHO. Cheers, Peter Dougherty, Author/Publisher 2011 Edition coming December 7th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted November 19, 2010 Share #14 Posted November 19, 2010 What would make sense is to run the up to Astoria and put the back onto Queens Blvd, especially if they decide to put the (G)'s southern terminal back to Smith-9th. By all accounts, the newly-rerouted is working well as a 6th Ave. line, and routing it to Astoria would make it even more popular, IMHO. Cheers, Peter Dougherty, Author/Publisher 2011 Edition coming December 7th! How would it access the Astoria Line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alargule Posted November 19, 2010 Share #15 Posted November 19, 2010 What would make sense is to run the up to Astoria and put the back onto Queens Blvd, especially if they decide to put the (G)'s southern terminal back to Smith-9th. By all accounts, the newly-rerouted is working well as a 6th Ave. line, and routing it to Astoria would make it even more popular, IMHO. C'mon Peter...you should know better - you made the track maps yourself! Apart from bringing back the , another option might be to increase the frequency on the line and send the to Astoria instead. The would serve the Queens Boulevard local together with the and - maybe - the . The extra trains could also serve as a replacement for the old (Mx) train into Brooklyn that was cut back earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted November 19, 2010 Share #16 Posted November 19, 2010 C'mon Peter...you should know better - you made the track maps yourself! Apart from bringing back the , another option might be to increase the frequency on the line and send the to Astoria instead. The would serve the Queens Boulevard local together with the and - maybe - the . The extra trains could also serve as a replacement for the old (Mx) train into Brooklyn that was cut back earlier this year. Then we run into the problem that kicked the off Astoria in the first place, the lack of any access to a yard without having trains go out of their way to get there. As of currently, the only line that goes out of its way to get to the yard is the and that's because its termini are in the middle of Jamaica and Coney Island yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alargule Posted November 19, 2010 Share #17 Posted November 19, 2010 I am not familiar with the yard structure of the NYC Subway. However, this impracticality set aside, you could make do with the current three subway routes using the Broadway trunk line. We'll just have to wait and see what lines will run over the Broadway line once the first portion of the SAS gets finished (if ever). If the MTA is still in financial dire straits, Astoria riders might well be the ones paying the bill for better East Side access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 19, 2010 Share #18 Posted November 19, 2010 Anyone notice that the can't get to Astoria from where it's at lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 19, 2010 Share #19 Posted November 19, 2010 The extension of the to Astoria isn't a good idea. They would have to build a cross under or a cross over for the from 57th Street to 5th Avenue. It is too expensive and it could be impossible. The only way they could bring more service to Astoria and to remake the as an express is to reincarnate the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zman Posted November 19, 2010 Share #20 Posted November 19, 2010 Hi all. I don't know if it's been discussed before, but does anyone know where the Second Avenue Subway's yard will be once it's built, or where it would/will be? The 2nd Ave Line will be based out of Coney Island Yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted November 19, 2010 Share #21 Posted November 19, 2010 Anyone notice that the can't get to Astoria from where it's at lol? I noticed that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted November 20, 2010 Share #22 Posted November 20, 2010 Anyone notice that the can't get to Astoria from where it's at lol?Not unless the goes to the Nassau Street Line, head to the 4th Avenue line, and then travel via the Broadway line rather than entering the Nassau Street line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted November 20, 2010 Share #23 Posted November 20, 2010 If I heard correctly, there was once an idea of connecting the 63rd St. line to the Astoria line! This before the connection to Queens Blvd finally went ahead, and they were reconsidering what to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 20, 2010 Share #24 Posted November 20, 2010 They can still do it. If they have the money then connect 57th Street to 5th Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted November 20, 2010 Share #25 Posted November 20, 2010 They can still do it. If they have the money then connect 57th Street to 5th Avenue.The won't have money to connect the 63 Street line to Astoria sadly, unless they start saving up wisely for useful things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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