Savino calls for subway, rail links for Staten Island with floating $3B

[2Line1291]

 

And Far Rockaway is way further than 6 miles away from Lower Manhattan but thanks to the city they converted the LIRR Rocakway branch for subway use and is a thrieving communiy building hotels and condo's along the beach. What's your point?

ROTFL!!! They stopped building the condos on the Rockaway? When this happen cause they were renaming stations along the branch cause of the project?

[Roadcruiser1]

Uh that is at Howard Beach not the Rockaways.

[Roadcruiser1]

What Staten Island would look like with light rail and subway connections.

 

[2Line1291]

OOHHH!!! I see why it isn't a thrieving community http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/09/nyregion/09rockaway.htmlSorry.. I was almost 3 years late!

[Roadcruiser1]

Now do you see why some Staten Islanders don't want the subway?

[checkmatechamp13]

Now do you see why some Staten Islanders don't want the subway?

 

 

Sorry to bump this (but I figure this section doesn't really have many threads anyway, so I might as well), but that article about abandoned storefronts has absolutely nothing to do with subway service in that area.

[qjtransitmaster]

Now do you see why some Staten Islanders don't want the subway?

they want an interborough connection.

[jgood6195]

Yes, but there is a problem. There are no NYC Subway services that could immediately be extended to Staten Island right now. The only line would be the . The is the most possible line to reach Staten Island because it is utilizes the same cars (R44), and it is the same in length (4 cars). The problem is it would require tunneling to reach 59th Street and continue on to Saint George. I had drawn a proposal on a map that would require the to run from Church Avenue down a new tunnel on 14th Avenue to 62nd Street where it would use the Sea Beach Line or the old LIRR Bay Ridge Branch (it can carry a maximum of 6 tracks near the Sea Beach Line 2 of them could be used for subway service) and then it would run on to the SIR which would be converted into subway service. If the could be extend and could use the SIR the SIR cars could have their extra equipment removed and they could be attached to the cars thus making the a total of 8 cars in length.

Yeah, except that the have R46s and now R68s. No 44s to be seen.

[qjtransitmaster]

Yeah, except that the have R46s and now R68s. No 44s to be seen.

 

how about we extend (SIR) to brooklyn instead?

[checkmatechamp13]

Yeah, except that the have R46s and now R68s. No 44s to be seen.

 

 

Eh, there's nothing saying a route's fleet has to be uniform.

[realizm]

Yeah, except that the have R46s and now R68s. No 44s to be seen.

 

 

What Roadcruiser stated makes sense sorta makes sense because the city already envisioned this decades ago.

 

Plans outlined in the IND Second System called for a Ft. Hamilton line to be extended from the Culver Viaduct through Church Ave, along Ft Hamilton Pkwy to the vicinity of 59th Street where the buried BMT bell-mouths remains are located for the original BMT Dual contracts proposal, also for a SI tunnel, inside Owls Head Park. (Don't quote me on this)

 

Evidence of this of this can be seen right at Church Ave Station on the and where two tracks immediately descend before the approach to the Culver elevated. (IND over-engineering at it's finest)

 

[Vistausss]

It probably still won't work, because the tunnels are extremely close to the waterfront, and would most certainly get flooded by the East River.

 

 

Then I wonder why they built the tunnel's mouths and a tunnel under OH Park in the first place like realizm points out. If it was true what you said then they should've encountered the same problem back then hence not starting to build it. But they did start to build it.

[realizm]

Then I wonder why they built the tunnel's mouths and a tunnel under OH Park in the first place like realizm points out. If it was true what you said then they should've encountered the same problem back then hence not starting to build it. But they did start to build it.

 

 

Exactly! Not to mention the fact that aside with the provision on the IND, the BMT via the Dual Contracts built spurs just after 59th Street as part of the construction of the 4th Ave line before the IND Culver viaduct was even built with SI connections in mind.

[Roadcruiser1]

That's because the Owl Park Tunnel heads are connected to the nearby 59th Street Station. The 59th Street Station is located on Fourth Avenue. When you drill the tunnel heads at the right angle you won't hit the ocean and it would go to Staten Island and back. Sadly it was never done.

[realizm]

That's because the Owl Park Tunnel heads are connected to the nearby 59th Street Station. The 59th Street Station is located on Fourth Avenue. When you drill the tunnel heads at the right angle you won't hit the ocean and it would go to Staten Island and back. Sadly it was never done.

 

 

True Roadcruiser, that's my understanding too. Unfortunately as usual, politics and financial problems killed the projects. Both the BMT and IND projects alike interestingly enough.

 

I've read that there is also a provision slightly south of Whitehall street as the dual contract planners were envisioning a SI loop from Brooklyn to Manhattan and back with a stop at Ellis Island. The map you've provided at the start of this thread reinforces this historical fact.

[Vistausss]

That's because the Owl Park Tunnel heads are connected to the nearby 59th Street Station. The 59th Street Station is located on Fourth Avenue. When you drill the tunnel heads at the right angle you won't hit the ocean and it would go to Staten Island and back. Sadly it was never done.

 

 

Indeed. But because it was provisioned this way it *could* be done unlike what you said earlier. Of course, money is a problem but we're only talking about the *possibility* here.