INDman Posted January 9, 2011 Share #26 Posted January 9, 2011 Another factor for the older cars, including the SMEEs was the use of acid baths in the early 1980s to wash off graffiti. The IRT LAHT SMEEs were treated with heavy acid and this often accelerated corrosion in the later 1990s. That's not really true, if you look at the R21/22s that had been turned into collectors, they don't have the same rust problems that the later redbirds had. On the R26 thru R36, the steel around the door pockets rots out while on the older SMEE cars, they don't have that problem. Even the R17 at Branford, 6688 which lives outside is in better condition then the R33/36s. The reason is, the R26 thru R36 cars used cheaper steel, that's why the bodies are shitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 9, 2011 Share #27 Posted January 9, 2011 You're saying the R142s... They don't have any rust problems?? Maybe you're right, but from what I can see especially on the sides towards the end of each car some of them seem to have a great deal of rust. :eek: I know this may sound stupid, but I was thinking they could buff out some areas that are in bad shape, i.e. areas w/grafitti? Is that possible? I'm not just saying that for the R142s, I'm saying this for all the NTTs. That brown you see IS NOT RUST. It is steel dust or the remnants of graffiti that has been buffed. The NTTs have a rough finish which traps the grime. Also, the ends of the car can't have rust, there made from reinforced fiberglass, which since it's not metal and it's painted, can't rust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share #28 Posted January 9, 2011 I'm not just saying that for the R142s, I'm saying this for all the NTTs. That brown you see IS NOT RUST. It is steel dust or the remnants of graffiti that has been buffed. The NTTs have a rough finish which traps the grime. Also, the ends of the car can't have rust, there made from reinforced fiberglass, which since it's not metal and it's painted, can't rust. What about the other R142 cars that don't have the reinforced fiberglass?? The cars in between...? I believe this one is a pic of an R142A, but you see what I mean there towards the bottom of car 7794 where the #2 appears...? Is that rust or steel dust in between the car? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/R142A_4_Train_Motor_Trailer_Truck_Comparison.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted January 9, 2011 Share #29 Posted January 9, 2011 What about the other R142 cars that don't have the reinforced fiberglass?? The cars in between...? I believe this one is a pic of an R142A, but you see what I mean there towards the bottom of car 7794 where the #2 appears...? Is that rust or steel dust in between the car? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f2/R142A_4_Train_Motor_Trailer_Truck_Comparison.JPG The blind end bonnets (as well as the front end bonnets) are fiberglass, not stainless steel. So yes, that is in fact steel dust since fiberglass can't rust anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share #30 Posted January 9, 2011 The blind end bonnets (as well as the front end bonnets) are fiberglass, not stainless steel. So yes, that is in fact steel dust since fiberglass can't rust anyway. Why does it get so bad particularly in that area of the subway car?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 9, 2011 Share #31 Posted January 9, 2011 Why does it get so bad particularly in that area of the subway car?? have you ever been in a subway tunnel? There not water proof and all kinds of sh*t leaks into them and gets on the cars. Hell. someone my have thrown up between cars. But no matter what it is, IT IS NOT RUST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share #32 Posted January 9, 2011 have you ever been in a subway tunnel? There not water proof and all kinds of sh*t leaks into them and gets on the cars. Hell. someone my have thrown up between cars. But no matter what it is, IT IS NOT RUST. I'm a bus fan, so I only ride the subway when I have to. That's why I asked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 9, 2011 Share #33 Posted January 9, 2011 Why does it get so bad particularly in that area of the subway car?? Look at where the wheels of the car (which generate and kick up much of the steel dust in the subway) are. Then look at where that one spot of the car is. There is a relationship between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share #34 Posted January 9, 2011 Look at where the wheels of the car (which generate and kick up much of the steel dust in the subway) are. Then look at where that one spot of the car is. There is a relationship between the two. Makes sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Posted January 10, 2011 Share #35 Posted January 10, 2011 If only trains had mudflaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 10, 2011 Share #36 Posted January 10, 2011 If only trains had mudflaps LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted January 10, 2011 Share #37 Posted January 10, 2011 If only trains had mudflaps Or get those few remaining homeless guys with the Windex and squeegees to come to the terminals, earn some honest money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 11, 2011 Author Share #38 Posted January 11, 2011 If only trains had mudflaps Or get those few remaining homeless guys with the Windex and squeegees to come to the terminals, earn some honest money. lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 14, 2011 Share #39 Posted January 14, 2011 Some of the R160s on the and have graffiti tags that have been cleaned off but it leaves traces that makes it noticeable to the eye that they did a shoddy job trying to take it off. Jamaica paints them now...makes them look worse. did you take a look at cars 9848-9852? its always on the line. those cars look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elantra06 Posted January 14, 2011 Share #40 Posted January 14, 2011 Simple: Oxidized rail dust is what you see not rust. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted January 14, 2011 Share #41 Posted January 14, 2011 Yeah, I'm not really a camera person so I don't know what the technical reason is, but I've never seen the LED's at the front or rear being defective in real life, so I am assuming the person is just talking about photographs. But power to you if you know the technical reason why those things photograph so poorly. That involves the refresh rate of the LED sign. The sign refreshes at a faster rate than the human eye, but if your camera shutter speed is too high, then you'll catch it mid refresh and it'll look messed up. But that's more prevalent with the R142s than the other NTTs (not saying the "issue" isn't prevalent with the R160s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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