What would you change on the beeline? 2012

[Shortline Bus]

Just what does PART have to do with anything here.....

 

 

 

Thank you B35:tup:. Yet if you try to tell QJ it's more than connecting the dots(as he seems to does with his ideas) he goes into a temper tandrum like a boy. He understanding these changes also involves politics.Not to mention many Putnam NIMBY's who are in car country dont want their taxes used on mass transit. Yet he claims we on the boards we not 'thinking beyond the box."

QJ once again crashing a topic.

 

This is not a knock against mass transit but a major hurdle why mass transit has not grown outside of NYC.

[FamousNYLover]

Thank you B35:tup:. Yet if you try to tell QJ it's more than connecting the dots(as he seems to does with his ideas) he goes into a temper tandrum like a boy. He understanding these changes also involves politics.Not to mention many Putnam NIMBY's who are in car country dont want their taxes used on mass transit. Yet he claims we on the boards we not 'thinking beyond the box."

QJ once again crashing a topic.

 

This is not a knock against mass transit but a major hurdle why mass transit has not grown outside of NYC.

I agree with ShortlineBus and B35 via Church.

 

This topic has nothing to do with PART, so QJ, you're going off-topic.

 

This discussion is for mainly for Bee-Line Bus, not PART.

 

 

For my idea:

I would improve W12 bus service on weekends and coordinate with schedules of arriving Metro-North Train and Westchester County Airport.

 

I also restore Airlink aka W79 because this has been very popular to airport employees.

 

Both W12 and Airlink schedules will be combined schedules.

[qjtransitmaster]

Thank you B35:tup:. Yet if you try to tell QJ it's more than connecting the dots(as he seems to does with his ideas) he goes into a temper tandrum like a boy. He understanding these changes also involves politics.Not to mention many Putnam NIMBY's who are in car country dont want their taxes used on mass transit. Yet he claims we on the boards we not 'thinking beyond the box."

QJ once again crashing a topic.

 

This is not a knock against mass transit but a major hurdle why mass transit has not grown outside of NYC.

 

Not really was not tantruming just making a point jeez sorry. Now I will fully explain the true meaning of my words. The NIMBY's will LOVE my idea why cause the merged W16 and W77 lines after absorbing PART 5 and 1 will have a higher combined farebox recovery ratio and due to new inter county ridership and the merged current ridership bases will result in cost savings and would mean it will be cheaper for putnam to operate which means LESS TAX MONEY NEEDED!!!!! For transit. So they would love my idea. Also many times I talk with ppl while I travel many will benefit from my ideas.

[Gramps]

not really was not tantruming just making a point jeez sorry. Now i will fully explain the true meaning of my words. The nimby's will love my idea why cause the merged w16 and w77 lines after absorbing part 5 and 1 will have a higher combined farebox recovery ratio and due to new inter county ridership and the merged current ridership bases will result in cost savings and would mean it will be cheaper for putnam to operate which means less tax money needed!!!!! For transit. So they would love my idea. Also many times i talk with ppl while i travel many will benefit from my ideas.

 

r u nutz ?

[GreatOne2k]

I agree with ShortlineBus and B35 via Church.

 

This topic has nothing to do with PART, so QJ, you're going off-topic.

 

This discussion is for mainly for Bee-Line Bus, not PART.

 

 

For my idea:

I would improve W12 bus service on weekends and coordinate with schedules of arriving Metro-North Train and Westchester County Airport.

 

I also restore Airlink aka W79 because this has been very popular to airport employees.

 

Both W12 and Airlink schedules will be combined schedules.

 

Extend W12 to the MNR station where W79 used to stop, maybe extend W12 hours to Westchester County Airport to 10pm daily (to match the W79 hours).

[Shortline Bus]

Extend W12 to the MNR station where W79 used to stop, maybe extend W12 hours to Westchester County Airport to 10pm daily (to match the W79 hours).

 

Greatone 1 question/issue on why beeline management may not do this good idea? Should it still stop at SUNY-Purchase? Remember during when school is open Purchase college now has their own shuttle bus between Downtown White Plains and the school.

[GreatOne2k]

Greatone 1 question/issue on why beeline management may not do this good idea? Should it still stop at SUNY-Purchase? Remember during when school is open Purchase college now has their own shuttle bus between Downtown White Plains and the school.

 

Would it cost that much more money to stop at SUNY Purchase? Some may use it (probably not many people). Any case it would connect SUNY Purchase to Westchester County Airport so it would be worth doing.

[qjtransitmaster]

Would it cost that much more money to stop at SUNY Purchase? Some may use it (probably not many people). Any case it would connect SUNY Purchase to Westchester County Airport so it would be worth doing.

 

Yes due to milage and the turn around I would have the bus Bypass SUNY If the W12 is to return to northern westchester then it must drop SUNY due to ZERO ridership. Nothing is stopping em from making an airport bus or shuttle. So this W79 or airlink return avoid SUNY. I proposed extension of 76 for a reason the ppl in rye have alot in common with those in yorktown. I had it serve suny to airport before hitting 684. Look at the downtowns and you will know what I mean!!!!! Plus it failed due to bad scheduling it did not meet rush hour trains!!!!

[mark1447]

After a certain time, only the locals serve Fordham. Most of the day, the expresses don't serve Fordham. No expresses serve Fordham at the time where the W60 only goes to New Rochelle.

 

During rush hours, then W62 picks up many of the W60 crowds at White Plains.

 

Do you also think the W40/W41/W43 competes with Metro North?

 

The W40/41? Hell no. Not unless you like taking a couple of hours to get from White Plains to Wakefield (MNRR). The W43? Maybe, but only if you're heading to the Bronx from Valhalla and vice-versa only. For anywhere else, you're better off hopping on the train.

 

Negative. The 40/41/42 are not there to compete.

 

Not even the 43. Its just an Express Rush hour bus for those heading to/from the Medical Center and Valhalla.

 

Same thing with the 1X and the 3.

 

The 41, pretty much just to give those who live along NY 22 a faster ride to the Medical Center. Theres higher demand during rush hours.

 

For the 62, its pretty much to pick up folks (PM) out of Westchester Avenue, rather then using the 12 or the 13. AM rush to get those to Westchester Avenue. And of coruse White Plains.

 

The 60 / 61 Sounds like its competing with Metro-North, but its not. Rather, people ether ride the bus to where ever they are going, or can connect with the 60 / 61 along the NEC and have a ride to there stop, rather then walk. Same for any other route that interlines it.

 

And if people love the train, then they can use the bus or the Loop shuttles around.

[40MntVrn]

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The 60 / 61 Sounds like its competing with Metro-North, but its not. Rather, people ether ride the bus to where ever they are going, or can connect with the 60 / 61 along the NEC and have a ride to there stop, rather then walk. Same for any other route that interlines it.

 

And if people love the train, then they can use the bus or the Loop shuttles around.

 

I disagree. People barely connect with the loops outside of the White Plains Train Station, and that's the same trend that follows along the New Haven Line.

 

For the 62, its pretty much to pick up folks (PM) out of Westchester Avenue, rather then using the 12 or the 13. AM rush to get those to Westchester Avenue. And of coruse White Plains.

 

I'll agree that the 62 is to help along the Westchester Ave Corridor, but most people would appreciate more frequent service. The 5:10 is usually standing-room only before it gets on I-287.

[Shortline Bus]

 

 

 

I'll agree that the 62 is to help along the Westchester Ave Corridor, but most people would appreciate more frequent service. The 5:10 is usually standing-room only before it gets on I-287.

 

If that the case why not also have artics on the #13 the only 'full time' 7-day a week bus route that serves Westchester Ave aka the service road for I-287?

[KeystoneRegional]

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[qjtransitmaster]

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From several rides, I'd say that the 62 has more riders than the 13, and I've seen plenty of people stand on the I-95 express portion of the route. Not to mention, I'd say it's unsafe for people to stand on express portions of a bus route but that's what the government funded a bus company, and that's their decision, so what can ya do ya know...

you are less likely to fall standing on the W62 on the highway than you are on a manhattan local bus LOL!!!!! I know I have done it

[KeystoneRegional]

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[40MntVrn]

One of my wishes, that I did not include on my original post, has finally come to fruition.

 

I've been waiting for the system to throw the "on" switch to the GPS enabled destination announcements since 2008, and on board a Bronxville-Bound 52, there were a couple of 'Now Approaching' announcements.

 

My guess is that they're starting with the smaller routes first.

[40MntVrn]

If that the case why not also have artics on the #13 the only 'full time' 7-day a week bus route that serves Westchester Ave aka the service road for I-287?

 

The 13 and 62 serve two different types of customers. 62's are typically standing-room only because it's rush hour, and only runs when most people get off from work.

 

On the 13, most mid-day evening rush buses run at 60% capacity and drop most passengers before reaching the PC Station.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

What I would do is to restructure the 1 completely since the prefixes can be confusing:

1: Operates between Tarrytown and the 242 Subway Station. All short-turns will also be numbered 1

51/51X

The Renumbered version of the 1C/1X

101

The Renumbered version of the 1W

[poughkipsee]

What I would do is to restructure the 1 completely since the prefixes can be confusing:

1: Operates between Tarrytown and the 242 Subway Station. All short-turns will also be numbered 1

51/51X

The Renumbered version of the 1C/1X

101

The Renumbered version of the 1W

 

That makes no sense. The 1 (plain no letter attached) is to the Yonk/Hastings line. The 1T = Tarrytown, 1C = Community College, 1W = White Plains. The letter better explains the route extension. No one will know what a 51x is, as x denotes express and there is no 51 route (if there was it would be Mount Vernon based as all "50"-something routes are). There is no more 9 train.

 

I live off Broadway in Yonkers, don't have a car, so the BeeLine is my transportation. My "changes" would be:

 

Extend routes meeting the subways (1, 2, 4, 25, 20, 40, 60) at 1 hour headways until 3am for the bar/party/casino/midnight working folks.

- The 1, regular route to Yonk/Hast line.

- The 2 may have a problem going full route into Tudor Woods this late, the people would complain about noise, so consider terminating at Park Ave & Shonnard Pl.

- The 4, regular route to Getty Square.

- The 25 can bypass Cross County after 2am, not many movies let out this late, the stores are closed by then, and the restaurants are wrapping up.

- The 20 (or 20x or 21) again bypass CC after 2a, potentially end at Tuckahoe Rd, don't forsee many people going full route to WP, unless its a super express.

- The 40 and 60, I don't take these routes but they serve many towns on a major thoroughfare, an extenstion couldn't hurt.

 

A good seasonal route would be for the 77 into FDR Park. Not everyone has a car, I personally would make the trip to WP to get the 77 if I could go to FDR in the summer. Start it early (like 9am) since the trip is long and most people make the park a full day event. A 1 or 2 hour headway should be tested during the summer. Last southbound trip at like 7 or 8pm, around "dusk" when they start kicking people out.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

That makes no sense. The 1 (plain no letter attached) is to the Yonk/Hastings line. The 1T = Tarrytown, 1C = Community College, 1W = White Plains. The letter better explains the route extension. No one will know what a 51x is, as x denotes express and there is no 51 route (if there was it would be Mount Vernon based as all "50"-something routes are). There is no more 9 train.

 

I live off Broadway in Yonkers, don't have a car, so the BeeLine is my transportation.

 

Well The 1T will be merged with the 1 and the route will be labeled 1. The 1T designation will be retired. The 101 would be the new labeling of the 1W. I guess the 3 can go to WMC and then to White Plains. What About that. All services will still reach 242 street * station.

 

* The I added because I just felt like it in a sense. Don't worry, since I know the is extinct.

[Shortline Bus]

Replies in red. Even though i live upstate in Ducthess County(Poughkeepsie area)i sometimes use the Bee line when not in hurray to save a couple of bucks to travel to the 'city' by connecting to the Bronx subways i.e mainly the and . Not to mention transfer between the Hudson Line at Tarrytown and White Plains via the Route 13.

 

That makes no sense. The 1 (plain no letter attached) is to the Yonk/Hastings line. The 1T = Tarrytown, 1C = Community College, 1W = White Plains. The letter better explains the route extension. No one will know what a 51x is, as x denotes express and there is no 51 route (if there was it would be Mount Vernon based as all "50"-something routes are). There is no more 9 train.

 

I live off Broadway in Yonkers, don't have a car, so the BeeLine is my transportation. My "changes" would be:

 

Extend routes meeting the subways (1, 2, 4, 25, 20, 40, 60) at 1 hour headways until 3am for the bar/party/casino/midnight working folks.

- The 1, regular route to Yonk/Hast line.

(This or the #2 is the only route that needs to run until 3am or even 24/7 and only between 242ns and Getty Sq. I don't think the ridership is there *north* of Getty Sq. overnights.)

 

- The 2 may have a problem going full route into Tudor Woods this late, the people would complain about noise, so consider terminating at Park Ave & Shonnard Pl.

(See my above comments on my idea for the #1/#2)

- The 4, regular route to Getty Square.

Maybe until 2am but i don't think this line needs 24/7 service.

- The 25 can bypass Cross County after 2am, not many movies let out this late, the stores are closed by then, and the restaurants are wrapping up.

Similar to the #4 maybe run until 1-2am but it does not need 'owl' service. If anything the only 'crosstown' bus that should be considered *first* for getting 'owl' service is the #7 between New Rochelle and Yonkers.

 

 

- The 20 (or 20x or 21) again bypass CC after 2a, potentially end at Tuckahoe Rd, don't forsee many people going full route to WP, unless its a super express.

This is the only route besides the 1/2 that needs 24/7 service since like yesterday. Even running only between Tuckahoe and Bedford Park hourly would be great. However with White Plains growing in population and Metro North having no plans anytime soon for 'owl' service, this would work.

 

- The 40 and 60, I don't take these routes but they serve many towns on a major thoroughfare, an extenstion couldn't hurt.

Maybe running the #40 until 1230am(monday-saturdays)last bus leaving White Plains for Mt. Vernon would not be a bad idea. Ditto for the #60 (at least between New Rochelle and Fordham)but beyond that, the ridership is not there.

 

A good seasonal route would be for the 77 into FDR Park. Not everyone has a car, I personally would make the trip to WP to get the 77 if I could go to FDR in the summer. Start it early (like 9am) since the trip is long and most people make the park a full day event. A 1 or 2 hour headway should be tested during the summer. Last southbound trip at like 7 or 8pm, around "dusk" when they start kicking people out.

 

Not happening. A better idea would be to have a shuttle bus on weekends connecting at either the Peekskill or Croton Harmon stations and FDR Park during the summer. It would be similar to the connection between Rye MNRR station and Rye Playland via #76 Bus. Also maybe down the road i can picture beeline adding a #77 roundtrip midday trip between Baldwin Place and White Plains and that it.

 

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[Q43LTD]

Starting tommorow, the 60 and 61 will terminate at Fordham Plaza not Tiebout Av

[GreatOne2k]

Starting tommorow, the 60 and 61 will terminate at Fordham Plaza not Tiebout Av

 

The change starts on Monday

[mark1447]

Yep, I saw this on the Map about 2 weeks ago, I thought it was a flaw.

 

Plus here:

 

http://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Schedules/rte_60_62_61_timetable.pdf

 

The 62X remains the same. I wonder why the change?

 

Starting tommorow, the 60 and 61 will terminate at Fordham Plaza not Tiebout Av

 

Tiebout Ave is the first stop North, not last. Last stop is technically Valentine Avenue.

[Shortline Bus]

Yep, I saw this on the Map. I wonder if the 62X is also going to get in this as well.

 

Why the change tho?

 

I am guessing the 'parking lot' especially during rush hours and saturday afternoons along Fordham Rd between Tiebot and Webster. In worst case it could take a westchester-bound #60/61/62 20-30 minutes just to travel betwee Tiebot and White Plains Rd/Pelham Pwy.

[mark1447]

I am guessing the 'parking lot' especially during rush hours and saturday afternoons along Fordham Rd between Tiebot and Webster. In worst case it could take a westchester-bound #60/61/62 20-30 minutes just to travel betwee Tiebot and White Plains Rd/Pelham Pwy.

 

Edited last post*

 

What Parking lot? TBH, it doesn't take more then 30Min to travel from the current terminal to White Plains Road. It takes 20min or less during traffic time on US Route 1. It can take any of those routes up to 40Min just to get to the Eastchester Bridge. Been thru it lots of times.

 

Traffic is a major issue around Fordham, due to all those drivers getting thru US1 to the Cross Bronx.