trainfan22 Posted April 26, 2012 Share #26 Posted April 26, 2012 . . P.S: Weekend trains that are "shuttle" services to W. Hempstead from Atlantic Terminal could be only two cars (one pair of cars). I don't think they could run 2 car trains in passenger service, they could gap out where ever there's a big space between the 3rd Rail.. This is the reason why they don't use the A-A pairs on the Rockway Park shuttle. It would gap out at some part of the route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted April 26, 2012 Share #27 Posted April 26, 2012 West Hempstead Even off peak uses 6 car trains with only the middle two open on weekends when it ran. I was on it one of the last weekends before it went weekday only. They cant use shorter trains because it will gap out in spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 26, 2012 Share #28 Posted April 26, 2012 Well, the main problem is the LIRR doesn't have 4 full tracks on many portion of the system, while Metro-North has, so that creates a problem where trains could get congested on a section of a line/branch. It's not that easy for the LIRR until local politicians recognize Public Transit and the potential, only thing I am seeing is Port Jeff getting better service... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted April 26, 2012 Share #29 Posted April 26, 2012 Well, the main problem is the LIRR doesn't have 4 full tracks on many portion of the system, while Metro-North has, so that creates a problem where trains could get congested on a section of a line/branch. It's not that easy for the LIRR until local politicians recognize Public Transit and the potential, only thing I am seeing is Port Jeff getting better service... Ideally they need a 4 track segment all the way to Hicksville. Its going to be a tight fit in many spots, 3 tracks they could do. The tough parts are going to be Mineola and New Hyde Park where the area is very built up right by the station. A 3 track system combined with grade seperation would do a lot to keep things moving on the main line and surrounding areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted April 26, 2012 Share #30 Posted April 26, 2012 Once an hour during night games so sometimes you must leave early or wait around or take the 7 to main street for the n20. No...http://mta.info/lirr/Timetable/Branch/Mets-Willets.pdf Weekdays 7:05 games half hourly eastbound until midnight Weekends 4:05 games half hourly eastbound until 8PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67thAve Posted April 27, 2012 Share #31 Posted April 27, 2012 Portions of the West Hempstead Branch DO have two tracks, but the ROW is too narrow to expand beyond where the double-tracked sections are. The line can be converted into a one-track line WITH sidings, as it is double track in the following locations: -Between Valley Interlocking and just beyond crossing Merrick Road -Between Hempstead Gardens and West Hempstead As part of this plan, the West Hempstead Branch should be extended to AT LEAST Country Life Press Junction as a double-tracked line, where trains could continue back towards the city. That extension would require: -Purchase of portions of ROW from LIPA -Removal of Country Life Press station -Double-tracking of the Hempstead branch to Hempstead (there is a 1-mile long strech is single-tracked) -Purchase of land along former ROW between Hempstead Avenue and Hempstead Turnpike -Removal of existing West Hempstead station and construction of a new elevated viaduct carrying the West Hempstead Branch over Hempstead Avenue and Hempstead Turnpike, with a new West Hempstead station built above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67thAve Posted April 27, 2012 Share #32 Posted April 27, 2012 Possibility of these ideas: Converting existing second tracks to sidings: Possible, but tracks would need some repairs. Purchase of ROW next to power lines from LIPA: Doubtful Removal of Country Life Press stations: Very possible, as it is near other stations and has low ridership Double-tracking of single-track portion of Hempstead Branch: If Country Life Press is removed, it will probably happen. Purchase of land between Hempstead Avenue and Hempstead Tunrpike: The strech between the two roads that the former ROW lies on is occupied by a car wash and no other buisnesses, so it is possible, but will most likely not happen. Relocation of West Hempstead station and construction of viaduct: Will only happen if MTA buys the ROW right next to the power lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 27, 2012 Share #33 Posted April 27, 2012 Ideally they need a 4 track segment all the way to Hicksville. Its going to be a tight fit in many spots, 3 tracks they could do. The tough parts are going to be Mineola and New Hyde Park where the area is very built up right by the station. A 3 track system combined with grade seperation would do a lot to keep things moving on the main line and surrounding areas. Yeah, 4 tracks w/ grade separation would be best, but I think they could do 3 tracks w/ grade separation on every part of the line with ease. The only thing that is not good about this is really Parking Space, these Spaces would need to be found for people to park at. Still these investments are needed with an ever growing population in Long Island. As for other lines, all should be Double Tracked no matter what, use eminent domain to make a ROW for Double Tracks, the only exception could be West Hempstead and Greenport [East of Riverhead]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted April 27, 2012 Share #34 Posted April 27, 2012 No...http://mta.info/lirr/Timetable/Branch/Mets-Willets.pdf Weekdays 7:05 games half hourly eastbound until midnight Weekends 4:05 games half hourly eastbound until 8PM Thanks for correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TML Posted April 27, 2012 Share #35 Posted April 27, 2012 Portions of the West Hempstead Branch DO have two tracks, but the ROW is too narrow to expand beyond where the double-tracked sections are. The line can be converted into a one-track line WITH sidings, as it is double track in the following locations: -Between Valley Interlocking and just beyond crossing Merrick Road -Between Hempstead Gardens and West Hempstead As part of this plan, the West Hempstead Branch should be extended to AT LEAST Country Life Press Junction as a double-tracked line, where trains could continue back towards the city. That extension would require: -Purchase of portions of ROW from LIPA -Removal of Country Life Press station -Double-tracking of the Hempstead branch to Hempstead (there is a 1-mile long strech is single-tracked) -Purchase of land along former ROW between Hempstead Avenue and Hempstead Turnpike -Removal of existing West Hempstead station and construction of a new elevated viaduct carrying the West Hempstead Branch over Hempstead Avenue and Hempstead Turnpike, with a new West Hempstead station built above it. Possibility of these ideas: Converting existing second tracks to sidings: Possible, but tracks would need some repairs. Purchase of ROW next to power lines from LIPA: Doubtful Removal of Country Life Press stations: Very possible, as it is near other stations and has low ridership Double-tracking of single-track portion of Hempstead Branch: If Country Life Press is removed, it will probably happen. Purchase of land between Hempstead Avenue and Hempstead Tunrpike: The strech between the two roads that the former ROW lies on is occupied by a car wash and no other buisnesses, so it is possible, but will most likely not happen. Relocation of West Hempstead station and construction of viaduct: Will only happen if MTA buys the ROW right next to the power lines. These ideas sound good on paper, but I believe there is a very high likelihood that somewhere along the line, NIMBY resistance will emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted April 27, 2012 Share #36 Posted April 27, 2012 The West Hempstead branch should be restored back to the Hempstead Branch , the Central Branch should be restored which connections the Hempstead Branch to the Ronkonkoma Branch which gets rid of the need for 3rd tracking of the Main line. The Oyster Branch should be reconnected to the Hempstead Branch and Electrfied. The Port Washington Branch should be restored to Wading River....all these old ROWS are mostly perserved ,not only would you be able to triple amount of trains that operate but ridership would grow. I estimate that would only cost 2.6 Billion to due all this and ridership would grow by at least 360,000 people. The lines run through office parks and populated areas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted April 27, 2012 Share #37 Posted April 27, 2012 Not as easy as it sounds, the central branch goes thru the heart of Levittown, theyre not gunna want a rail line going thru their town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexis4Jersey Posted April 27, 2012 Share #38 Posted April 27, 2012 Not as easy as it sounds, the central branch goes thru the heart of Levittown, theyre not gunna want a rail line going thru their town. Well use some muscle....like in NJ and MD and build it through...or under... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 28, 2012 Share #39 Posted April 28, 2012 Not as easy as it sounds, the central branch goes thru the heart of Levittown, theyre not gunna want a rail line going thru their town. Well use some muscle....like in NJ and MD and build it through...or under... I agree, use some muscles and get state Senators to both announce it, and give these guys who can't handle a new rail line a good pwn'ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted April 28, 2012 Share #40 Posted April 28, 2012 @67thAve When the West Hempstead Branch ran to Mineola, CLP was a 2-line station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted April 28, 2012 Share #41 Posted April 28, 2012 This would help out a bit with the fact that passengers wont be screaming "where is the train" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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