Q90 Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2401 Posted August 11, 2013 The route could be made more useful by continuing it up Fresh Pond Road to at least Metropolitan Avenue or Flushing Avenue (there is an earlier transfer to the Q39). No one would use the B20 to Metropolitan Avenue. It's better to truncate it to Myrtle Avenue. I take it as you never been on the 14... The reason why it makes those turns in Brownsville is because there's no other bus that directly serves the area without walking. The only other bus in the area is the B60 and that's at least 4 blocks away on Rockaway (well in that area, its just one long superblock due to the projects). Plus, Pitkin Av where the 14 runs is a busy shopping strip. The 14 is fine as it is... Oh so it's for coverage. That explains a lot as to why it just randomly turns off Sutter at Powell/Junius Streets and uses Pitkin Avenue. But I'd still send it to Rockaway Boulevard as no one uses it to the Postal Facility. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2402 Posted August 11, 2013 No one would use the B20 to Metropolitan Avenue. It's better to truncate it to Myrtle Avenue. Oh so it's for coverage. That explains a lot as to why it just randomly turns off Sutter at Powell/Junius Streets and uses Pitkin Avenue. But I'd still send it to Rockaway Boulevard as no one uses it to the Postal Facility. And what makes you think people would use it to Rockaway Blvd? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2403 Posted August 11, 2013 And what makes you think people would use it to Rockaway Blvd? Hmm who knows a Q112 extension to gateway mall via postal facility or just to the facility would be better than a B20 extension. However during some times you barely see cars on linden Blvd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2404 Posted August 11, 2013 Hmm who knows a Q112 extension to gateway mall via postal facility or just to the facility would be better than a B20 extension. However during some times you barely see cars on linden Blvd. And who the f**k would use that extension... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2405 Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) No one would use the B20 to Metropolitan Avenue. It's better to truncate it to Myrtle Avenue. Oh so it's for coverage. That explains a lot as to why it just randomly turns off Sutter at Powell/Junius Streets and uses Pitkin Avenue. But I'd still send it to Rockaway Boulevard as no one uses it to the Postal Facility. Its not random turn If it was random they would've streamlined it by now. Yeah can't just eliminate all "deviations" . There's a reason the B70 deviates in Sunset Park. There's a reason why the B62 deviates east of DUMBO There's a reason why the B61 makes all those turns in Red Hook And there's a reason why the Q59 makes all those turns in Willamsburg They each have a purpose. I don't remember exactly who said this, but streamlining a route could make, or break its ridership. An Extention to Queens isn't needed, you have the Q8 in the Spring Creek Area to the Q11. Edited August 11, 2013 by Q23 Central Terminal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2406 Posted August 11, 2013 Two proposals. One is to straighten the B14 to run down Sutter Avenue's full length and reroute in to Rockaway Boulevard since I learned few people use it to the Postal Facility. Also the straightening is to make the route more reliable as it makes lots of unnecessary turns. Also I revised my proposal about the B20 and B83. Instead of having the B83 replacing the B20, the only change made to it would be taking it off Van Siclen Avenue. B20 would also be truncated to Myrtle Avenue/Decatur Street as no one uses it to Forest Avenue and be rerouted onto Van Siclen Avenue instead of having the B83 run down there. B14: https://maps.google.com/maps/msauthuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214089513480814599261.0004e3793594fdeb9d0e3 Have you ever been to Pitkin Avenue. NO. So don't make a proposal for it! B20/B83: https://maps.google.com/maps/msauthuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214089513480814599261.0004e3793594fdeb9d0e3 While I don't use the B20/B83 often enough to have a credible opinion on it, this makes sense to me, as it would increase coverage of Penn Avenue without losing service anywhere it needs it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2407 Posted August 11, 2013 I get a blank dam page when I click on either of those two links, so I'm just going by what's stated in text here about the idea..... The only thing I would do w/ the B14 is divert it from the postal facility & run it to Rockaway blvd. .... Don't really blame the MTA for removing B15's from there either, but that's another topic..... Don't agree w/ running buses down the length of Sutter... Hell, I wouldn't bother running buses on sutter, west of powell.... Pitkin is where all the action's at (so to speak... lol) b/w ENY av & M. Gaston (shopping strip/commercialism, as already stated).... The turns b/w pitkin/M. Gaston & Sutter av are most certainly not random - there's projects down there.... And what makes you think people would use it to Rockaway Blvd? I don't know what his plan entails, but I have the B14 goin there in place of the Q7 being cut back to the .... The problem I see w/ the 14 b/w Euclid/Sutter & the postal fac. is that buses tend to be empty more often than not.... The B13 & B15 are king over there by the pink houses, linden plz. apartments, & points south (for obvious reasons).... With the Q7 no longer serving Brooklyn, I most certainly think you'd have ppl. coming off the woodhaven routes (incl. folks coming up from the rockaways), etc. seeking access deeper into Brooklyn (which is one problem I see with the Q7 now).... So I say let all the Queens folks in that part of the borough have the Q7 for themselves - they need it..... IMO, it's rather exacerbatory to have em running to Brooklyn, since it only stops dead at Euclid .... I think both those changes I speak of w/ the Q7 & B14 are a win-win.... The Q7 crawls along Rockaway, and the B14 dies at Euclid/Sutter..... There's more I could add to support the point, but I don't wanna go too far o/t...... I don't remember exactly who said this, but streamlining a route could make, or break its ridership. A statement as such regarding Streamlining, I don't know... If you're referring to a statement I made, I said having a route make a turn of sorts (as opposed to keeping it straight for the sole sake of it) could make or break its usage..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2408 Posted August 11, 2013 And who the f**k would use that extension... People in south Brooklyn looking for woodhaven Blvd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2409 Posted August 11, 2013 People in south Brooklyn looking for woodhaven Blvd. Did you just pull this out of your behind..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2410 Posted August 11, 2013 I thought the Q112 to Broadway Junction was bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2411 Posted August 11, 2013 I thought the Q112 to Broadway Junction was bad. That is even worse that is what the is for dude. Its not random turn If it was random they would've streamlined it by now. Yeah can't just eliminate all "deviations" . There's a reason the B70 deviates in Sunset Park. There's a reason why the B62 deviates east of DUMBO There's a reason why the B61 makes all those turns in Red Hook And there's a reason why the Q59 makes all those turns in Willamsburg They each have a purpose. I don't remember exactly who said this, but streamlining a route could make, or break its ridership. An Extention to Queens isn't needed, you have the Q8 in the Spring Creek Area to the Q11. You do realize Q11 service is complete shit right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2412 Posted August 11, 2013 I thought the Q112 to Broadway Junction was bad. Remember ShortlineBus (the member) kept pushing for that specific idea.... Lol. Q112 to gateway mall though? I can't see anyone abandoning the Q8 for access to that mall from Queens, to have to put up w/ the double parking nightmare the 112 puts up w/ along commercial liberty av at & east of lefferts ..... Also don't see any unique riders/patrons that live around the 112 wanting Gateway like that..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2413 Posted August 11, 2013 (edited) You do realize Q11 service is complete shit right?You also have the at Euclid Avenue. And the Q11/Q21 run at similar headways as the Q112 for the most part Edited August 11, 2013 by Q23 Central Terminal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 11, 2013 Share #2414 Posted August 11, 2013 People in south Brooklyn looking for woodhaven Blvd. Who exactly in south Brooklyn... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted August 12, 2013 Share #2415 Posted August 12, 2013 B13 and Q8: B13---to bring northbound service closer to Euclid Avenue and the welfare office at that station: Instead of running via Crescent Street to Glenmore Avenue, I would propose that the B13 run via Doscher Street to Pitkin, and then Crescent, sharing a stop with the Q8 at Euclid Avenue northbound. Q8---westbound, instead of operating via Euclid Avenue, the route would continue down Euclid Avenue to Fountain Avenue. The aim of this would be to maintain a similar travel path in both directions down only one side of the Cypress Hills Houses (the B13 would serve the east side, while the Q8 would serve the west side).Stops would be added on the Q8 in both directions at Sutter Avenue and Dumont Avenue. JHS 218 would also be directly served from the subway by the Q8 with this reroute in both directions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2416 Posted August 13, 2013 You also have the at Euclid Avenue. And the Q11/Q21 run at similar headways as the Q112 for the most part That is 2 transfers from 2 craptastic lines B13 or Q8 to which isn't that reliable. Vs one infrequent line directly to the Q52/53. Who exactly in south Brooklyn... Ask the folks who buy water from me on linden . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2417 Posted August 13, 2013 Remember ShortlineBus (the member) kept pushing for that specific idea.... Lol. Q112 to gateway mall though? I can't see anyone abandoning the Q8 for access to that mall from Queens, to have to put up w/ the double parking nightmare the 112 puts up w/ along commercial liberty av at & east of lefferts ..... Also don't see any unique riders/patrons that live around the 112 wanting Gateway like that..... Yeah I remember. The sad part is it's Gateway via the Post Office. The only reasonable extension is Lindenwood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubBus Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2418 Posted August 13, 2013 (edited) Two proposals. One is to straighten the B14 to run down Sutter Avenue's full length and reroute in to Rockaway Boulevard since I learned few people use it to the Postal Facility. Also the straightening is to make the route more reliable as it makes lots of unnecessary turns. Also I revised my proposal about the B20 and B83. Instead of having the B83 replacing the B20, the only change made to it would be taking it off Van Siclen Avenue. B20 would also be truncated to Myrtle Avenue/Decatur Street as no one uses it to Forest Avenue and be rerouted onto Van Siclen Avenue instead of having the B83 run down there. B14: https://maps.google.com/maps/ msauthuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214089513480814599261.0004e3793594fdeb9d0e3[/url B20/B83: [url=https://maps.google.com/maps/msauthuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214089513480814599261.0004e3793594fdeb9d0e3]https://maps.google.com/maps/msauthuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214089513480814599261.0004e3793594fdeb9d0e3 When I proposed the B14 reroute to Rockaway Blvd, you disagreed with it. Now, you proposing the same thing.... Lol....... Edited August 13, 2013 by SubBus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q90 Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2419 Posted August 13, 2013 When I proposed the B14 reroute to Rockaway Blvd, you disagreed with it. Now, you proposing the same thing.... Lol....... Want to know why? Because it turns out few people use it to the Postal Facility. LOL that place is actually dead. I used to think a good amount of people use it to there but I found out actually only few do. Rerouting it to Rockaway Boulevard actually would provide more transfer options such as the train, Q11/21, Q41, Q52/53 LTD, and Q112. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2420 Posted August 13, 2013 Sigh. This is why there needs to be an age limit for the internet. Also, one of these days I'll think of some way to make that B102 thing work. Looking at the cross-Brooklyn route stuff, I don't know if there's that much left to fill in, but I'll think of something. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2421 Posted August 13, 2013 Dam shame 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2422 Posted August 13, 2013 Sigh. This is why there needs to be an age limit for the internet. Also, one of these days I'll think of some way to make that B102 thing work. Looking at the cross-Brooklyn route stuff, I don't know if there's that much left to fill in, but I'll think of something. They have the COPPA law. http://www.coppa.org/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2423 Posted August 13, 2013 (edited) Two proposals. One is to straighten the B14 to run down Sutter Avenue's full length and reroute in to Rockaway Boulevard since I learned few people use it to the Postal Facility. Also the straightening is to make the route more reliable as it makes lots of unnecessary turns. Also I revised my proposal about the B20 and B83. Instead of having the B83 replacing the B20, the only change made to it would be taking it off Van Siclen Avenue. B20 would also be truncated to Myrtle Avenue/Decatur Street as no one uses it to Forest Avenue and be rerouted onto Van Siclen Avenue instead of having the B83 run down there. B14: https://maps.google.com/maps/msauthuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214089513480814599261.0004e3793594fdeb9d0e3 B20/B83: https://maps.google.com/maps/msauthuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214089513480814599261.0004e3793594fdeb9d0e3 I agree with having the B14 extended to Rockaway Blvd. The Postal Facility doesn't really see a lot of riders from any bus routes that serves it. Edited August 13, 2013 by MTA Bus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q90 Posted August 13, 2013 Share #2424 Posted August 13, 2013 I agree with having the B14 extended to Rockaway Blvd. The Postal Facility doesn't really see a lot of riders from any bus routes that serves it. So true. It's also why the MTA is discontinuing B15 detours down there. Dam shame I was given 25 points. Meh I kinda needed it anyways to freshen up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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