NICE Fare Increase

[Burrstone]

Err I did not present the completed proposals to them yet so we don't really know. And parts require multiple agencies to work together. So your argument is utter BS. The argument I went with is how metrocard influenced ridership on the bee-line positively. Others already said why it won't work drop it and move on. 

 

Idiotic?  I'm not going to get worked up over a loser who spends his free time plotting out routes no one in a position to take it serioulsy will ever condsider.  The idea that you have of presenting your ideas to anyone of with power in any transit agency and the thought of them taking you seriously is idiotic.  If you were ever lucky enough to land a position in any transit agency where you would get to pitch ideas would be a very short lived career because of your attitude problem.  These are "team" jobs and because you have all the answers and no else could ever be right will ensure that will continue to be just some peon posting your master plans on the internet while you bash others ideas.

 

You have made yourself look like a fool just using your own arguments.  You say Bee Line deciding to go against what I proposed invalidated my agrument, I pointed out that by your own argument every proposal you have made has been invalidated by your own reasoning because either they kept lines you prosed to eliminate or never decided to go with your plans.  To try and save face you attempted to say that your ideas weren't invalidated because you never proposed a completed work to "them."  Err, well I never presented this idea to NICE so,I guess we don't know.  Oh I get it, because a transit agency hasn't rubber stamped your ideas no one knows but becuase you're always right and no one else could ever convince you otherwise?

 

 

Others already said why it won't work drop it and move on.

 

 

Brett and many others have pointed out why idea's of yours would not work and are just flat out bad ideas, would you then drop it and move on?

 

 

 

The argument I went with is how metrocard influenced ridership on the bee-line positively

Actually you did not make that argument, you said:

if there were true benefits then the bee-line would never of adopted metrocard invalidating your argument to end it.

 

Of course many people are going to use the metrocard, it is more convenient than cash.  Any "payment system" would be just as popular.  You are wrong the Metrocard DOES NOT influence riderhip, it influences existing riders to use the easier form of payment, big difference.

 

You are confusing the metrocard brand with the technology, any payment system will have higher numbers than cash numbers.

 

 

NICE won't eliminate Metrocard, since they would be very foolish to lose the high ridership on its busiest most profitable routes (N6, N4, N22, N24, N20/21).  Many riders would walk and/or switch to the LIRR for a much quicker ride instead of paying a double-fare.

 

Why would NICE lose ridership if it did not mean a double payment?  I have said multiple times the agreements with Veolia and the MTA would still be in place. 

 

Let me say this again, with what I found out about cubic(who designed the metrocard) I feel they could easily make a NICE card that could also be read in MTA systems.  NICE fareboxes are already designed to take the metrocard so the metrocard could ALSO BE ACCEPTED!  NICE CARDS and cash would allow a $2.25 fare and have to pay a 25 cent step up fee if transfering to an MTA service.  METROCARDS WILL ALSO BE ACCEPTED and charge a $2.50 fare (as in place now) allowing for a free transfer to an MTA service or paying an extra quarter just to ride NICE within the SYSTEM for those who want to ride in the system.  25% of the riders transferring between NICE and the MTA can use whatever card they wanted.

 

Benefits to Creating a NICE card is it creates an easy payment options for the majority who want an easy payment system but may not transfer to the MTA (BUT COULD IF THEY WANTED/NEEDED) while keeping the fare at $2.25 instead of making them pay the extra 25 cents for a metrocard when a majority stay in the NICE system and only 25 percent of riders transfer to the MTA?  Everyone using a metrocard now in the NICE system will basically have to pay a 25cent step up fare for the right to use the metrocard!  With the NICE card people will get the discounted NICE $2.25 fare if staying within the system.  They WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY DOUBLE IF TRANSFERING NICE/MTA, ONLY A 25 CENT STEP UP FEE.

 

People would not have to lug around change, eliminates the concern others had about extra coins in the fareboxes, pulling fareboxes, extra overhead pulling fareboxes, and concerns over buses being held up by multiple passengers using coins for the fare.

 

AND funds would go right to NICE.

[qjtransitmaster]

Idiotic?  I'm not going to get worked up over a loser who spends his free time plotting out routes no one in a position to take it serioulsy will ever condsider.  The idea that you have of presenting your ideas to anyone of with power in any transit agency and the thought of them taking you seriously is idiotic.  If you were ever lucky enough to land a position in any transit agency where you would get to pitch ideas would be a very short lived career because of your attitude problem.  These are "team" jobs and because you have all the answers and no else could ever be right will ensure that will continue to be just some peon posting your master plans on the internet while you bash others ideas.

 

You have made yourself look like a fool just using your own arguments.  You say Bee Line deciding to go against what I proposed invalidated my agrument, I pointed out that by your own argument every proposal you have made has been invalidated by your own reasoning because either they kept lines you prosed to eliminate or never decided to go with your plans.  To try and save face you attempted to say that your ideas weren't invalidated because you never proposed a completed work to "them."  Err, well I never presented this idea to NICE so,I guess we don't know.  Oh I get it, because a transit agency hasn't rubber stamped your ideas no one knows but becuase you're always right and no one else could ever convince you otherwise?

 

 

 

Brett and many others have pointed out why idea's of yours would not work and are just flat out bad ideas, would you then drop it and move on?

 

 

 

Actually you did not make that argument, you said:

 

Of course many people are going to use the metrocard, it is more convenient than cash.  Any "payment system" would be just as popular.  You are wrong the Metrocard DOES NOT influence riderhip, it influences existing riders to use the easier form of payment, big difference.

 

You are confusing the metrocard brand with the technology, any payment system will have higher numbers than cash numbers.

 

 

 

Why would NICE lose ridership if it did not mean a double payment?  I have said multiple times the agreements with Veolia and the MTA would still be in place. 

 

Let me say this again, with what I found out about cubic(who designed the metrocard) I feel they could easily make a NICE card that could also be read in MTA systems.  NICE fareboxes are already designed to take the metrocard so the metrocard could ALSO BE ACCEPTED!  NICE CARDS and cash would allow a $2.25 fare and have to pay a 25 cent step up fee if transfering to an MTA service.  METROCARDS WILL ALSO BE ACCEPTED and charge a $2.50 fare (as in place now) allowing for a free transfer to an MTA service or paying an extra quarter just to ride NICE within the SYSTEM for those who want to ride in the system.  25% of the riders transferring between NICE and the MTA can use whatever card they wanted.

 

Benefits to Creating a NICE card is it creates an easy payment options for the majority who want an easy payment system but may not transfer to the MTA (BUT COULD IF THEY WANTED/NEEDED) while keeping the fare at $2.25 instead of making them pay the extra 25 cents for a metrocard when a majority stay in the NICE system and only 25 percent of riders transfer to the MTA?  Everyone using a metrocard now in the NICE system will basically have to pay a 25cent step up fare for the right to use the metrocard!  With the NICE card people will get the discounted NICE $2.25 fare if staying within the system.  They WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY DOUBLE IF TRANSFERING NICE/MTA, ONLY A 25 CENT STEP UP FEE.

 

People would not have to lug around change, eliminates the concern others had about extra coins in the fareboxes, pulling fareboxes, extra overhead pulling fareboxes, and concerns over buses being held up by multiple passengers using coins for the fare.

 

AND funds would go right to NICE.

Err my first draft NICE ideas were completely overhauled since I first mentioned them here. Meaning I used feedback to perfect them  nobody is perfect in their first go. So I actually changed most of them to reflect actual travel patterns. I refuse to argue with rude people carry on.

[Burrstone]

I don't care, I really could care less about this idea, you or your attitude.  You have yet again proven to be the person who "refuses to argue" when he has been proven wrong, great way to try to save face! 

 

I have real things to do, have fun with your ideas!  Speaking of rude people, it's obvious you have no idea how you come off towards people.  I just hope for your sake and your dreams you learn how to deal with people bacause no one will deal with you or your attitude especially people in power who have the power to take your proposals seriously.

[qjtransitmaster]

I don't care, I really could care less about this idea, you or your attitude.  You have yet again proven to be the person who "refuses to argue" when he has been proven wrong, great way to try to save face! 

 

I have real things to do, have fun with your ideas!  Speaking of rude people, it's obvious you have no idea how you come off towards people.  I just hope for your sake and your dreams you learn how to deal with people bacause no one will deal with you or your attitude especially people in power who have the power to take your proposals seriously.

attitude sorry buddy not how I wanted to come off man I apologize. To be honest I am not very good at internet conversation.

[Burrstone]

I come off abrasive as well, especially when I get worked up.  I guess this is the part where we agree to disagree and play nice (until we disagree again ).

[Culver]

Eliminating the MetroCard would only hurt NICE ridership. This isn't debatable. Nobody wants to mess around with carrying exact change on them to ride a damn bus when they can just use a card. At this point, NICE and Bee-Lines (and maybe Suffolk) will adopt whatever the MTA presents as its next form of payment in a few years. Mangano and NICE would only dump the MetroCard if Mangano for ideological reasons sees public transport as evil, socialist and unAmerican (pretty damn likely considering where his party is headed) and wants more reason to cut it. Dumping the MetroCard would mean less ridership and even more cuts to said evil bus services. Veolia couldn't give two shits as long as they still make a buck from the contract. Designing a new card specifically for NICE would be a tremendous waste of money, and isn't happening; Mangano wants to drown public services in a bathtub, not invest money in them.

[Turbo19]

Edging my way between the discussion, since Cubic is still in operation, maybe NICE would be willing to work with them to perfect their fare media and collection devices.

[qjtransitmaster]

I come off abrasive as well, especially when I get worked up.  I guess this is the part where we agree to disagree and play nice (until we disagree again ).

 

yeah remember this is the internet. It's ok I don't hold grudges even if people do go over the top like others but they will calm down eventually. B35 is one that gets worked up a few times then calms back down.

Eliminating the MetroCard would only hurt NICE ridership. This isn't debatable. Nobody wants to mess around with carrying exact change on them to ride a damn bus when they can just use a card. At this point, NICE and Bee-Lines (and maybe Suffolk) will adopt whatever the MTA presents as its next form of payment in a few years. Mangano and NICE would only dump the MetroCard if Mangano for ideological reasons sees public transport as evil, socialist and unAmerican (pretty damn likely considering where his party is headed) and wants more reason to cut it. Dumping the MetroCard would mean less ridership and even more cuts to said evil bus services. Veolia couldn't give two shits as long as they still make a buck from the contract. Designing a new card specifically for NICE would be a tremendous waste of money, and isn't happening; Mangano wants to drown public services in a bathtub, not invest money in them.

Interesting POV. That is a different way of looking at it.

[Burrstone]

Eliminating the MetroCard would only hurt NICE ridership. This isn't debatable. Nobody wants to mess around with carrying exact change on them to ride a damn bus when they can just use a card. At this point, NICE and Bee-Lines (and maybe Suffolk) will adopt whatever the MTA presents as its next form of payment in a few years. Mangano and NICE would only dump the MetroCard if Mangano for ideological reasons sees public transport as evil, socialist and unAmerican (pretty damn likely considering where his party is headed) and wants more reason to cut it. Dumping the MetroCard would mean less ridership and even more cuts to said evil bus services. Veolia couldn't give two shits as long as they still make a buck from the contract. Designing a new card specifically for NICE would be a tremendous waste of money, and isn't happening; Mangano wants to drown public services in a bathtub, not invest money in them.

 

I'm not talking about elmininating the METROCARD as explained in bold above (I see how the metrocard should not be eliminated in the NICE sytstem)...  I propose adding the NICE card to the NICE system adding an easy way without for the majority of riders to pay the $2.25 fare without paying the additional quarter for having to use the metrocard.  So, I don't understand the relevance of what you posted?  Am I missing the point?

 

The nice card would be a easy way to pay for riders while eliminating the cost of having to deal with all the quarters people were worried about.  It is not fair for nice riders to have to pay a $2.50 fare to use the metrocard when a majority of the useser stay withing the nice system.

[qjtransitmaster]

I'm not talking about elmininating the METROCARD as explained in bold above (I see how the metrocard should not be eliminated in the NICE sytstem)...  I propose adding the NICE card to the NICE system adding an easy way without for the majority of riders to pay the $2.25 fare without paying the additional quarter for having to use the metrocard.  So, I don't understand the relevance of what you posted?  Am I missing the point?

 

The nice card would be a easy way to pay for riders while eliminating the cost of having to deal with all the quarters people were worried about.  It is not fair for nice riders to have to pay a $2.50 fare to use the metrocard when a majority of the useser stay withing the nice system.

OHHH But what he is saying that it is not worth the money do undertake it.  But your point is interesting but I will leave you 2 to debate it.

[Culver]

I'm not talking about elmininating the METROCARD as explained in bold above (I see how the metrocard should not be eliminated in the NICE sytstem)...  I propose adding the NICE card to the NICE system adding an easy way without for the majority of riders to pay the $2.25 fare without paying the additional quarter for having to use the metrocard.  So, I don't understand the relevance of what you posted?  Am I missing the point?

 

The nice card would be a easy way to pay for riders while eliminating the cost of having to deal with all the quarters people were worried about.  It is not fair for nice riders to have to pay a $2.50 fare to use the metrocard when a majority of the useser stay withing the nice system.

Again, Mangano is not spending a cent to invest in the bus system. The NICE Card is not happening. Period.

[checkmatechamp13]

You have to consider that there are costs involved in NICE having its own card. That's why they just said "MetroCards will still be valid", and they'll pay the MTA a couple of cents per fare, and that's the end of it.

 

Plus, you have to consider that they have to work out a deal with the MTA to make sure they actually accept that NICE card. And then that's extra costs for them in reprogramming the fareboxes and everything, which could be passed onto NICE. So in the end, it's just cheaper to have them use a MetroCard.

[Burrstone]

You have to consider that there are costs involved in NICE having its own card. That's why they just said "MetroCards will still be valid", and they'll pay the MTA a couple of cents per fare, and that's the end of it.

 

Plus, you have to consider that they have to work out a deal with the MTA to make sure they actually accept that NICE card. And then that's extra costs for them in reprogramming the fareboxes and everything, which could be passed onto NICE. So in the end, it's just cheaper to have them use a MetroCard.

 

That is what I am curious about, the cost.  Would it be financially beneficial to do this or spend the overhead dealing with more coins? 

 

Are you certain all the fareboxes would have to be reprogrammed?  Or could information MTA fareboxes could understand be programed onto the magnetic strip on the card?  I am also curious about that, does anyone know?

 

There's a cost to everything, it's about smart investments that pay off.

 

 

Again, Mangano is not spending a cent to invest in the bus system. The NICE Card is not happening. Period.

 

Oh is that why 40+ new buses were bought (40 more this year), buses were painted, camera's installed, 20 new SUV's were bought, etc. etc. etc.  Mangano doesn't need to spend a dime Nassau Inter-County Express is spending money.

[Culver]

That is what I am curious about, the cost.  Would it be financially beneficial to do this or spend the overhead dealing with more coins? 

 

Are you certain all the fareboxes would have to be reprogrammed?  Or could information MTA fareboxes could understand be programed onto the magnetic strip on the card?  I am also curious about that, does anyone know?

 

There's a cost to everything, it's about smart investments that pay off.

 

 

 

Oh is that why 40+ new buses were bought (40 more this year), buses were painted, camera's installed, 20 new SUV's were bought, etc. etc. etc.  Mangano doesn't need to spend a dime Nassau Inter-County Express is spending money.

You can't not replace equipment, especially when you have buses to replace that have CNG tanks that are certified for a limited number of years. The funding to buy them is federal anyways, the hell do NICE or Mangano care? Again, your suggestion of developing a NICE card makes literally no sense. Why are they going to waste millions of dollars and spend a handful of years developing it when everybody in the area will just end up using the MTA's new card by the time it's done? The MTA sure as hell isn't going to support it, and then you leave your riders having to carry two cards to travel when they used to need just one. You haven't given anything close to a logical reason for NICE getting their own card; because there is none.

[Burrstone]

You cannot say the nice card literally makes no sense or makes no sense because I pointed out many benifits of a nice card.  So how could something "literally make no sense" and how did I give "no logical reason" for a noce card when I pointed out the numerous benefits? 

 

Why are they going to waste millions of dollars and spend a handful of years developing it when everybody in the area will just end up using the MTA's new card by the time it's done?

 

Do you have any proof or data to share that it will take years and Millions to create a NICE card?  I seriously would love to know the costs, but I'm not interested in assumptions pulled of ones rear.

 

The technology is there, it's just a matter of putting info on the cards magnetic strip, do you know anything about this, because I am very interested.

 

 

Why are they going to waste millions of dollars and spend a handful of years developing it when everybody in the area will just end up using the MTA's new card by the time it's done?

 

If a majority of the riders use the metrocard on NICE and stay within the NICE system why would they use the metrocard to pay $2.50 instead of using the NICE card and pay $2.25?  Your statement goes against logic.

 

 

The funding to buy them is federal anyways, the hell do NICE or Mangano care?

 

80% comes from funding 20% comes from Nassau/NICE

[Culver]

Look, if you want NICE to either have to put up with accepting both fare cards, or have NICE spite some of its riders by only accepting its own card in a metro area where the MTA's card is the majority, go right ahead and waste the time and money to do it. It's an odd obsession, but why not.

[Burrstone]

Look, if you want NICE to either have to put up with accepting both fare cards, or have NICE spite some of its riders by only accepting its own card in a metro area where the MTA's card is the majority, go right ahead and waste the time and money to do it. It's an odd obsession, but why not.

 

Why would nice be spiting some of it's riders?  I have been more than clear on how both cards could be used and the benefits of having a nice card, I'm not going to explain it again.

 

 

Look, if you want NICE to either have to put up with accepting both fare cards, or have NICE spite some of its riders by only accepting its own card in a metro area where the MTA's card is the majority, go right ahead and waste the time and money to do it. It's an odd obsession, but why not.

 

Since when is logical thinking an odd obsession?

[Culver]

Why would nice be spiting some of it's riders?  I have been more than clear on how both cards could be used and the benefits of having a nice card, I'm not going to explain it again.

 

 

 

Since when is logical thinking an odd obsession?

It's not logical. In any way. Just use the damn MetroCard and keep cash/card fares the same. And use the extra revenues to maybe pay somebody to maintain those buses.

[Burrstone]

Either you don't know what logical is or you have a problem with reading comprehension because I mentioned SEVERAL benefits!

[FamousNYLover]

Speaking off NICE Fare Increase, Westchester County Dept of Transportation adopted MTA Fare Hike with an implement.

http://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Docs/Fare_Incr_Fact_Sheet_Spr13.pdf

http://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Schedules/Spring_2013_Poster.pdf

[Culver]

Either you don't know what logical is or you have a problem with reading comprehension because I mentioned SEVERAL benefits!

Your benefits are not benefits that would come to fruition. Again, you're essentially making a new card for NICE and then thinking of ways that maybe it could benefit anybody when it would be a waste of money. The entire, single point that unravels this NICE Card nonsense is that NICE already has a card: the MetroCard, the one that Bee-Line also uses because it's already there and you have a handful of million more people ready to use your service if they're in the county without needing a new fare card. And it makes connections easier for those who need to use MTA services. And if you want NICE to take MetroCard and NICE Card, then NICE Card is a gigantic waste of money to develop anyways. Any sane human being will use the MetroCard since they can then use that in NYC. And you then need fareboxes that accept both. And the MTA is definitely not going to waste its time and money to work with accepting NICE Card.

 

Here is a list of all the entities who will absolutely 100% see a tangible benefit from a NICE Card:

1) The company that gets paid to design the system

 

Here is a list of those who will see no real benefit and either deal with farecard headaches if NICE only takes their proprietary card; or just not use NICE Card anyways if NICE still takes MetroCard:

1) Everybody else

 

Unless you work for Cubic, I don't know why you're that obsessed with NICE having their own card. Liberty Lines has been doing this private-bus-service-in-an-MTA-county thing for a while, and they're sticking with MetroCard. I'd learn from their experience.

[Burrstone]

What you are over looking is that the Metrocard is the MTA's payment system, NICE was a part of the MTA, that's the ONLY reason NICE uses the Metrocard.  I don't know much about Bee Line but it sounds like they are the oddball deciding to contract with the MTA to use their payment system.  Do you honestly believe NICE would be usng the metrocard if LIB was controlled by another company when Veolia took over?  Of course not, NICE would be using whatever payment system whoever ran the system at the time of takeover.  Why?  Because the MTA contract expired at 11:59pm and the Veolia contract started at 12:00am, when was Veolia supposed to install new fareboxes?  MTA and Veolia made a deal for a fair deal to lease the boxes and use the payment option that the MTA used, that is the ONLY reason NICE uses the metrocard, not because there are any other clear benefit to NICE using the metrocard (except for convience, which any payment system would allow).

 

NICE is obvioulsy not a fan of the metrocard that's why they set the cash fare lower.  The fact that a majority of NICE riders use the metrocard for convenience while only 25% of the riders transfer to an MTA service (leaving the majority paying for an MTA payment system for no reason) proves there is merit to my argument and turns the table on your argument proving the NICE card is more useful and no real benifit of for the majority of NICE riders to be using the metrocard on NICE. 

 

Do you know, and please provice me with the data you have that it cost millions for use to retrofit a NICE card that can be read by MTA fareboxes.  Remember NICE has MTA fareboxes, so what work needs to be done than reprogramming the magnetic strip?

 

I would love to know the costs in all this, there are obvious benefits and none of us know what the costs would be to be able to say the costs outway the rewards...

[Culver]

What you are over looking is that the Metrocard is the MTA's payment system, NICE was a part of the MTA, that's the ONLY reason NICE uses the Metrocard.  I don't know much about Bee Line but it sounds like they are the oddball deciding to contract with the MTA to use their payment system.  Do you honestly believe NICE would be usng the metrocard if LIB was controlled by another company when Veolia took over?  Of course not, NICE would be using whatever payment system whoever ran the system at the time of takeover.  Why?  Because the MTA contract expired at 11:59pm and the Veolia contract started at 12:00am, when was Veolia supposed to install new fareboxes?  MTA and Veolia made a deal for a fair deal to lease the boxes and use the payment option that the MTA used, that is the ONLY reason NICE uses the metrocard, not because there are any other clear benefit to NICE using the metrocard (except for convience, which any payment system would allow).

 

NICE is obvioulsy not a fan of the metrocard that's why they set the cash fare lower.  The fact that a majority of NICE riders use the metrocard for convenience while only 25% of the riders transfer to an MTA service (leaving the majority paying for an MTA payment system for no reason) proves there is merit to my argument and turns the table on your argument proving the NICE card is more useful and no real benifit of for the majority of NICE riders to be using the metrocard on NICE. 

 

Do you know, and please provice me with the data you have that it cost millions for use to retrofit a NICE card that can be read by MTA fareboxes.  Remember NICE has MTA fareboxes, so what work needs to be done than reprogramming the magnetic strip?

 

I would love to know the costs in all this, there are obvious benefits and none of us know what the costs would be to be able to say the costs outway the rewards...

Well, any of us could Google the costs. I'm too lazy to spend five seconds of my time on it, but you're welcome to use Google. Here's what I'll promise you though, whatever the initial estimates are, won't be the final cost. Cubic is a defense contractor, so they'll make sure to deliver your NICE Card three years late and at three times the cost.

 

Now all that aside, the fact that there is any cost alone disqualifies a separate NICE Card as a serious idea. I've said it before and I'll say it again: whatever the cost, it's a complete waste of money that would achieve nothing. And yes, I know NICE was LIB before Nassau decided they didn't want to pay for their bus service. And that's a benefit, you already have a widely-used fare card, and you already have fareboxes. Don't waste a bunch of money on crap that would be literally nothing more than a bloody novelty.

 

"Why yes, we do have our own fare card here in Nassau, go right ahead and use it whilst the rest of the region uses the MTA's fare card." - Great marketing campaign

[Burrstone]

"Why yes, we do have our own fare card here in Nassau, go right ahead and use it whilst the rest of the region uses the MTA's fare card." - Great marketing campaign

 

I am not trying to bash the metrocard in any way, it serves a great purpose for the payment system of the MTA, NOT the region.  The "rest of the region" does not use the Metrocard, the metrocard is only used in the MTA (and not all MTA services use it) the only evception to this is Bee-Line and obvioulsy NICE because it was part of the MTA and cheaper/easier  than swapping all the fareboxes out between 11:59pm and 12:00am.  I don't see what you think that proves? 

 

If the Metrocard was the be all and end all you make it out to be NJT would be paying the MTA to use the Metrocard.

 

You have proven yourself to be one of those "but this is the way it's always been, so why change it" thinkers, people who think you bankrupt  municipalities and public agencies! 

 

Now all that aside, the fact that there is any cost alone disqualifies a separate NICE Card as a serious idea.

 

Wrong, if the cost of the card is cheaper than the overhead of all the extra coins in the system, it will be worth it.  Seriously, how many times do I have to say that?  Do you really not understand or do you feel that saying the same thing over and over will turn me into the sheep that you've become?

 

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: whatever the cost, it's a complete waste of money that would achieve nothing.

"Why yes, we do have our own fare card here in Nassau, go right ahead and use it whilst the rest of the region uses the MTA's fare card." - Great marketing campaign

 

I have posted the benefits over and over but you have proven that you cannot comprehend them because of your "this is how it's always been" attitude and have been brainwashed into thinking the MTA way is the only way, so I think this conversation is over.  But why are we even having this conversation anyway?  If Mangano paid the MTA what they wanted we wouldn't be having this conversation now.  Isn't the other thing you kept repeating in here?  If Mangano paid the MTA (whatever amount it was) blah blah blah?

[Culver]

I am not trying to bash the metrocard in any way, it serves a great purpose for the payment system of the MTA, NOT the region.  The "rest of the region" does not use the Metrocard, the metrocard is only used in the MTA (and not all MTA services use it) the only evception to this is Bee-Line and obvioulsy NICE because it was part of the MTA and cheaper/easier  than swapping all the fareboxes out between 11:59pm and 12:00am.  I don't see what you think that proves? 

 

If the Metrocard was the be all and end all you make it out to be NJT would be paying the MTA to use the Metrocard.

 

You have proven yourself to be one of those "but this is the way it's always been, so why change it" thinkers, people who think you bankrupt  municipalities and public agencies! 

 

 

Wrong, if the cost of the card is cheaper than the overhead of all the extra coins in the system, it will be worth it.  Seriously, how many times do I have to say that?  Do you really not understand or do you feel that saying the same thing over and over will turn me into the sheep that you've become?

 

 

 

I have posted the benefits over and over but you have proven that you cannot comprehend them because of your "this is how it's always been" attitude and have been brainwashed into thinking the MTA way is the only way, so I think this conversation is over.  But why are we even having this conversation anyway?  If Mangano paid the MTA what they wanted we wouldn't be having this conversation now.  Isn't the other thing you kept repeating in here?  If Mangano paid the MTA (whatever amount it was) blah blah blah?

Look, your benefits aren't real, I've said this before. I've read through them, and it's a fantasy to consider those benefits to actually become a reality. All you're doing is isolating Nassau from NYC for no reason other than  "WE'RE DIFFERENT." You're adding senseless complications with step-up fares and different fare cards and having NICE or the MTA have to accept both cards. All that adds COST and TIME. It would be an awful waste of time and money on Nassau's part. You realize the development and implementation cost for a fare card system is in the millions, right? It's a bloody awful idea, please let it go.