FriedChikkin Posted September 6, 2012 Share #976 Posted September 6, 2012 ...not sure if its part of this big picture but Corona's R-62s are being converted to two 5-car units with an extra single unit and undergoing brake testing at Coney Island Yard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted September 6, 2012 Share #977 Posted September 6, 2012 I made my youtube a very long time ago thats why it may say 24 You got younger? and now the info im giving u isnt false either and wat i said on the R32s and R46s is the plan FOR now everything may change so wait and see Why would the MTA want to retire only 80 of 222 50 year old cars that are on their last legs? Why does it make sense to retire the R46s which are still in sound condition? Also, the above poster explained it a lot better than I can but this quote makes no sense: The Cars got taken off of the last week so now they are getting overhauled and will return back on the soon so dont be shocked if its in service back in Pelham by thanksgiving. So you mean to tell me... the R188s will be constructed, delivered, tested, revenue service tested, programmed and whatnot in 2-3 months? LOL ok. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junjun798 Posted September 6, 2012 Share #978 Posted September 6, 2012 You got younger? Why would the MTA want to retire only 80 of 222 50 year old cars that are on their last legs? Why does it make sense to retire the R46s which are still in sound condition? Also, the above poster explained it a lot better than I can but this quote makes no sense: So you mean to tell me... the R188s will be constructed, delivered, tested, revenue service tested, programmed and whatnot in 2-3 months? LOL ok. You do know that former R142A 7211-7220 at Corona are R188s right they have cbtc and corona is waiting for the C car which is done at Kawasakis plant just waiting to get sent to corona yard so Ha 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 6, 2012 Share #979 Posted September 6, 2012 It wouldn't make sense to retire the 752 R46 cars and keep 142 R32s left in service, especially considering that the 300 R179s ISN'T enough to retire all those R46s... If the wanted those R46s to last until beginning in 2015 when they turn 40 years old then they would've order the R211s instead of the R179s and extend the lives out of those remaining 222 R32s and 48 R42s. But since the R32s and R42s are going bye-bye due to their aging bodies, the R179s were ordered first because the R46s was born after all cars below them were built FIRST... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junjun798 Posted September 6, 2012 Share #980 Posted September 6, 2012 It wouldn't make sense to retire the 752 R46 cars and keep 142 R32s left in service, especially considering that the 300 R179s ISN'T enough to retire all those R46s... If the wanted those R46s to last until beginning in 2015 when they turn 40 years old then they would've order the R211s instead of the R179s and extend the lives out of those remaining 222 R32s and 48 R42s. But since the R32s and R42s are going bye-bye due to their aging bodies, the R179s were ordered first because the R46s was born after all cars below them were built FIRST... I didnt mean all the R46s were leaving just the ones on the And as for the R62As ll agree and wait and see and I apologize to all as well no more speculation from me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted September 6, 2012 Share #981 Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) Ok guys, can we please just get back on topic with the R142A/R188. JunJun, you have been told already. Wait and See is all you need to do. Lets not flame or go down a hill to hell any more. Edited September 6, 2012 by mark1447 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 6, 2012 Share #982 Posted September 6, 2012 Ok guys, can we please just get back on topic with the R142A/R188. JunJun, you have been told already. Wait and See is all you need to do. Lets not flame or go down a hill to hell any more. People will always find a way to not do that... Just so no one asks in the future, the R188's will replace nothing. I'm tired of hearing that question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 6, 2012 Share #983 Posted September 6, 2012 People will always find a way to not do that... Just so no one asks in the future, the R188's will replace nothing. I'm tired of hearing that question. The R188s will displace (not replace) the R62As from the train to the train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 6, 2012 Share #984 Posted September 6, 2012 The R188s will displace (not replace) the R62As from the train to the train. I know that, that's why I'm making sure people don't ask/claim that... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted September 7, 2012 Share #985 Posted September 7, 2012 People will always find a way to not do that... Just so no one asks in the future, the R188's will replace nothing. I'm tired of hearing that question. I'm very aware of that. Anyways, would anyone know if there will be spare R62As left once Westchester is full of the R62As? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted September 7, 2012 Share #986 Posted September 7, 2012 I'm very aware of that. Anyways, would anyone know if there will be spare R62As left once Westchester is full of the R62As? Maybe just maybe the spares may go to the line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted September 7, 2012 Share #987 Posted September 7, 2012 Everyone is so sure that the R62A's from the are going to the but no one REALLY knows if that's going to happen. They could end up on the and the could end up with R142's and the R62's could go back to the . It's going to be a while before anything leaves Corona Yard and things are subject to change down here. I too am interested in what will happen but I have no idea so I'm going to sit back and see what happens just like the rest of you. Just be ready for the unexpected. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 7, 2012 Share #988 Posted September 7, 2012 Everyone is so sure that the R62A's from the are going to the but no one REALLY knows if that's going to happen. They could end up on the and the could end up with R142's and the R62's could go back to the . It's going to be a while before anything leaves Corona Yard and things are subject to change down here. I too am interested in what will happen but I have no idea so I'm going to sit back and see what happens just like the rest of you. Just be ready for the unexpected. But which lines have EXPRESS and LOCAL designation versions? and ...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 7, 2012 Share #989 Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) It makes no sense to put those R62As on either the or as those cars have LED lights with a red diamond meaning express and a green circle meaning local. And before someone gets upset with me and go all like "Oh, but why the hell does that matter? The route bullet says this train is a xyz*** regardless of the LED signs so riders couldn't give two cents about it, at least they know WHERE their train is going! It's not like their train is being rerouted or anything except for a general order!", well that's because riders need to know which train route bullet is express or local along lines that HAVE them. Plus, the requires 35 trains so it will have to use R62As instead of R62s as there's only 325 R62s built (though 8 of them were scrapped). There wouldn't be enough R62s to fill that entire line which is why it also used a few Redbird trains in the past when it was running with R62s..And EVEN if the R62s were to return to the , it will just be a fixed fleet with those cars and the R62As while the is 100% R62As. Edited September 7, 2012 by RollOverMyHead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted September 7, 2012 Share #990 Posted September 7, 2012 It makes no sense to put those R62As on either the or as those cars have LED lights with a red diamond meaning express and a green circle meaning local. And before someone gets upset with me and go all like "Oh, but why the hell does that matter? The route bullet says this train is a xyz*** regardless of the LED signs so riders couldn't give two cents about it, at least they know WHERE their train is going! It's not like their train is being rerouted or anything except for a general order!", well that's because riders need to know which train route bullet is express or local along lines that HAVE them. Plus, the requires 35 trains so it will have to use R62As instead of R62s as there's only 325 R62s built (though 8 of them were scrapped). There wouldn't be enough R62s to fill that entire line which is why it also used a few Redbird trains in the past when it was running with R62s..And EVEN if the R62s were to return to the , it will just be a fixed fleet with those cars and the R62As while the is 100% R62As. Just because Corona's R62As have LED side lights, doesn't mean these must go to the . As I and a few others know, even IF the gets it first, who knows if it will last long on that line. I've mentioned before, politicians and riders, may not be happy getting the old back.. Which means, even the can get it, or even the and/or (ITS POSSIBLE, you never know, so no conclusions, even related to swap) can get it. We still don't know at this point where it will go. Hey, the can even stay with its R142As, and can get it... just yank the LEDs or leave them as is. We all know the makes good, and a lot of times dumb decisions, we just gotta take it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted September 7, 2012 Share #991 Posted September 7, 2012 But which lines have EXPRESS and LOCAL designation versions? and ...... And what does that mean? This is the we're talking about here. It makes no sense to put those R62As on either the or as those cars have LED lights with a red diamond meaning express and a green circle meaning local. And before someone gets upset with me and go all like "Oh, but why the hell does that matter? The route bullet says this train is a xyz*** regardless of the LED signs so riders couldn't give two cents about it, at least they know WHERE their train is going! It's not like their train is being rerouted or anything except for a general order!", well that's because riders need to know which train route bullet is express or local along lines that HAVE them. Plus, the requires 35 trains so it will have to use R62As instead of R62s as there's only 325 R62s built (though 8 of them were scrapped). There wouldn't be enough R62s to fill that entire line which is why it also used a few Redbird trains in the past when it was running with R62s..And EVEN if the R62s were to return to the , it will just be a fixed fleet with those cars and the R62As while the is 100% R62As. Look, everything you are saying is on point but the doesn't think like that. They are going to put trains where they see fit to put them. Just because it wouldn't make sense to you or me doesn't mean the won't do it. I wrote what I wrote so that you won't be shocked if the doesn't go in the direction that everyone is thinking they will go. If the trains go to the , then fine but if not, then it doesn't happen but don't be shocked if it doesn't. Just because Corona's R62As have LED side lights, doesn't mean these must go to the . As I and a few others know, even IF the gets it first, who knows if it will last long on that line. I've mentioned before, politicians and riders, may not be happy getting the old back.. Which means, even the can get it, or even the and/or (ITS POSSIBLE, you never know, so no conclusions, even related to swap) can get it. We still don't know at this point where it will go. Hey, the can even stay with its R142As, and can get it... just yank the LEDs or leave them as is. We all know the makes good, and a lot of times dumb decisions, we just gotta take it. See you get it. Glad someone here does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 7, 2012 Share #992 Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) Just because Corona's R62As have LED side lights, doesn't mean these must go to the . As I and a few others know, even IF the gets it first, who knows if it will last long on that line. I've mentioned before, politicians and riders, may not be happy getting the old back.. Which means, even the can get it, or even the and/or (ITS POSSIBLE, you never know, so no conclusions, even related to swap) can get it. We still don't know at this point where it will go. Hey, the can even stay with its R142As, and can get it... just yank the LEDs or leave them as is. We all know the makes good, and a lot of times dumb decisions, we just gotta take it. I still have doubts about the being affected as you have trains interchanging on each other's lines and I can't imagine how much a pita it must be to change every single roll sign to display the correct route or if a train has to make a diversion. Now if those R62As have electronic signs, then that could make a big difference.If the were to stay all NTT, I could see them taking some of the trains off the and the getting the R62As. But that would get too far into the speculating. Edited September 7, 2012 by Grand Concourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted September 7, 2012 Share #993 Posted September 7, 2012 I still have doubts about the being affected as you have trains interchanging on each other's lines and I can't imagine how much a pita it must be to change every single roll sign to display the correct route or if a train has to make a diversion. Now if those R62As have electronic signs, then that could make a big difference. If the were to stay all NTT, I could see them taking some of the trains off the and the getting the R62As. But that would get too far into the speculating. I know, the and does swap, but remember, the Redbirds had those swap signs before. I wouldn't imagine the install something similar to that. Of course the and/or getting it is still slim. To bad these roll signs aren't electronic, which would get changed at the operators cab and make it easy for the crews to change the route/destination. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted September 7, 2012 Share #994 Posted September 7, 2012 Just because Corona's R62As have LED side lights, doesn't mean these must go to the . As I and a few others know, even IF the gets it first, who knows if it will last long on that line. I've mentioned before, politicians and riders, may not be happy getting the old back.. Which means, even the can get it, or even the and/or (ITS POSSIBLE, you never know, so no conclusions, even related to swap) can get it. We still don't know at this point where it will go. Hey, the can even stay with its R142As, and can get it... just yank the LEDs or leave them as is. We all know the makes good, and a lot of times dumb decisions, we just gotta take it. One problem with that: there aren't enough 142As on the 4 for the 6 to keep its 142As. Thing is, I could see them putting Jerome's 142s on the 6 because of the signage issue and the 62As on the 4 instead. Especially with the 6's short recovery times. Either way, someone's getting the older cars. Plain and simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 7, 2012 Share #995 Posted September 7, 2012 (edited) I still think they're going to the . There's really a perfect number of R62As available for that; Westchester Yard should have a slightly increased spare factor and the excess R142As from the can go to the . That leaves the right number of trains; no mixed fleets. Edited September 7, 2012 by TheSubwayStation 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 7, 2012 Share #996 Posted September 7, 2012 I still think they're going to the . There's really a perfect number of R62As available for that; Westchester Yard should have a slightly increased spare factor and the excess R142As from the can go to the . That leaves the right number of trains; no mixed fleets. Why overcomplicate things? This is perfect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B to Brighton Posted September 7, 2012 Share #997 Posted September 7, 2012 No matter of what line the R62As are going.. One line must get the OTT's, and riders just have to deal with that.. What if and riders start to complain with R62's on their lines? What can be done? Nothing! The same applies to the . If riders may dislike getting the old, riders may also dislike it, but they just have to deal. Many lines have to deal with OTT's, they just ride on the train and do not complain. The train will bring you from point A to point B. Thats enough. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 7, 2012 Share #998 Posted September 7, 2012 I still prefer the simple option though. The R142/142As (350 sets) have the strip maps. The former R62As from the and were moved to the to retire the remaining Redbirds there. Those LED lights will work just fine with the and . To see the installing new strip maps for the and on the 's R142/142As is a waste of investment if they were to please the angry Upper East Side and Pelham riders who ride the that want their clear announcements and shiny/brighter interiors to stay permanent. At least they'll just put up with it until the R62As retire but of course, this agency is the "" and we know how they are.....though luck.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted September 8, 2012 Share #999 Posted September 8, 2012 No matter of what line the R62As are going.. One line must get the OTT's, and riders just have to deal with that.. What if and riders start to complain with R62's on their lines? What can be done? Nothing! The same applies to the . If riders may dislike getting the old, riders may also dislike it, but they just have to deal. Many lines have to deal with OTT's, they just ride on the train and do not complain. The train will bring you from point A to point B. Thats enough. Exactly, it's public transit that you pay $2.25 to ride. If you can't deal with older cars on your line then take the bus, take another line, or buy a car/take a cab. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted September 8, 2012 Share #1000 Posted September 8, 2012 (edited) One problem with that: there aren't enough 142As on the 4 for the 6 to keep its 142As. Thing is, I could see them putting Jerome's 142s on the 6 because of the signage issue and the 62As on the 4 instead. Especially with the 6's short recovery times. Either way, someone's getting the older cars. Plain and simple. And that's just what I was going to say. There are jobs on the where I've started at Parkchester and ended at Pelham so one of my trips started at Parkchester but when I got to Brooklyn Bridge, I would then go to Pelham Bay Park going uptown. That would require rollsigns changing too. Edited September 8, 2012 by Princelex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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