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Caesar legit needs to stop taking his sweet time with whatever trips/picks he does. Apparently he just got recently assigned to the n/b weekday W20 9:27 PM out of Bedford Park. 9:27, guy’s nowhere to be found. Several minutes pass by, he walks back to the bus while carrying food, only to stop & chitchat with another B/O that was on layover (when he’s already more than due out already). We don’t leave ‘till like 9:35. And this was with me waiting since 9:02 (couldn’t get to the 8:52 in time, because f**k Subway dispatchers on the (4) line).

He’s always like this, no matter what.

Update: We eventually leave the Bronx 20+ minutes after the scheduled departure time out of Woodlawn, all seats filled, 30+ standees. At this hour?! Ridiculous!

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11 hours ago, Axis said:

Caesar legit needs to stop taking his sweet time with whatever trips/picks he does. Apparently he just got recently assigned to the n/b weekday W20 9:27 PM out of Bedford Park. 9:27, guy’s nowhere to be found. Several minutes pass by, he walks back to the bus while carrying food, only to stop & chitchat with another B/O that was on layover (when he’s already more than due out already). We don’t leave ‘till like 9:35. And this was with me waiting since 9:02 (couldn’t get to the 8:52 in time, because f**k Subway dispatchers on the (4) line).

He’s always like this, no matter what.

Update: We eventually leave the Bronx 20+ minutes after the scheduled departure time out of Woodlawn, all seats filled, 30+ standees. At this hour?! Ridiculous!

Are you sure it's that trip and not another one?

Around that time, the SB W20'a normally get held up by crowds around Yonkers Av and Woodlawn which make them late in leaving BPB.

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Poorly timed lights along Sterling Avenue on the W25 line, purposely hold the bus back for literally nothing at Wakefield Avenue, then make us just miss the light at McLean Avenue. Please fix and/or reroute the buses elsewhere. Waiting the maximum possible amount of time for the next (2) train is barely convenient (when they already don’t send (5) trains up IRT White Plains Road at a time when they should)

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40 minutes ago, Axis said:

Poorly timed lights along Sterling Avenue on the W25 line, purposely hold the bus back for literally nothing at Wakefield Avenue, then make us just miss the light at McLean Avenue. Please fix and/or reroute the buses elsewhere. Waiting the maximum possible amount of time for the next (2) train is barely convenient (when they already don’t send (5) trains up IRT White Plains Road at a time when they should)

Append: Missing the (2) train I was supposed to make it to has caused a domino effect, making me miss the last Q44 bus before a 20 minute gap. Isn’t this just the greatest?

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Just missed the last 1C for the next hour because I decided to take a bathroom break instead of holding it in.

I propose doubling of 1C service to half hourly frequencies.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Append: It gets better, the one time the 1C decides to use an Artic (#577 no less), I miss the bus.

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16 hours ago, Axis said:

Just missed the last 1C for the next hour because I decided to take a bathroom break instead of holding it in.

I propose doubling of 1C service to half hourly frequencies.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Append: It gets better, the one time the 1C decides to use an Artic (#577 no less), I miss the bus.

The 1C service is fine as it is, ridership dosent justify adding double frequency.

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Once every 12 minutes out of Bedford Park for points beyond Empire City Casino is so far from enough at the height of the afternoon rush if the bus is always SRO out of the Bronx, because a (4) train terminates at Woodlawn right after the Yonkers Avenue short turn bus in front of us leaves.

#more20service

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I propose either a bus route from City Island to New Rochelle. Or, increasing W45 service to once every 15 minutes between Pelham Bay Park & New Rochelle, ALL DAY LONG.

 

This sissy lala butt of a Bx29 driver just made me miss the last W45 for the next hour, because he decided to step out of the bus for goodness knows why, one stop away from the Shore Road transfer point.

 

A 30 minute trip from the busiest transit hub in Eastern Bronx really does not need to take two hours & more than one bus.

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6 hours ago, Axis said:

I propose either a bus route from City Island to New Rochelle. Or, increasing W45 service to once every 15 minutes between Pelham Bay Park & New Rochelle, ALL DAY LONG.

 

This sissy lala butt of a Bx29 driver just made me miss the last W45 for the next hour, because he decided to step out of the bus for goodness knows why, one stop away from the Shore Road transfer point.

 

A 30 minute trip from the busiest transit hub in Eastern Bronx really does not need to take two hours & more than one bus.

There isn't demand for this. Now, the service span can be extended and some frequencies enhanced, but no way is there demand for 15 minute headways on that route. I'd even argue that its too frequent for rush hour levels.

When you are making transfers, especially within suburban transit systems, you need to give yourself enough time (a person rule I use is more than 10 minutes between transfers). Timing stuff to the minute WILL blow up on you.

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On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 10:29 PM, Mtatransit said:

https://transportation.westchestergov.com/projects-programs-studies

It looks like Bee Line is looking at restructuring their routes. They are hiring someone to look at existing conditions.

System-wide, I don't think they have to change much....

But what I would start with, is a reassessing & reallocating of service between 242nd (1) & Yonkers....

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At the very least, I would consider the two things NICE Bus of all places has, yet Bee-Line doesn’t...sufficient Sunday service & overnight service.

Here’s what I would generally change for each route:

W1 - The branches stop running maybe an hour or so too early on the n/b side. Plus, if Bee-Line were to take a page from NICE, the branches should just have distinct numbers & thus be allowed to transfer between.

W4 - Sunday service ends a bit too early as it stands (even with fairly recent added evening service).

W5 - Combining the last weekday n/b trip from Yonkers to Odell Avenue with the last n/b trip from White Plains to Harrison, into a full-length Yonkers to Harrison is definitely a step in the right direction. Now if only they’d beef up Sunday service to Saturday’s levels.

W6 - Increasing Sunday service to at least hourly could do this route some good.

W7 - Evening service suddenly dropping to hourly from half-hourly isn’t so sightly tbh

W12 - I have to wonder how much longer this route could really last, in terms of maintaining service outside of hours...especially given how SUNY Purchase & Manhattanville College have their own shuttles to begin with.

W13 - I wouldn’t really change much here, aside from...I have to wonder what’s become of the idea of possibly putting artics on the route again in the future...

W14 - I would not keep service at hourly headways. Half-hourly (while more convenient) would probably be a bit excessive...but I wouldn’t keep it at current service levels.

W16 - *squints at unsightly three hour gap in service east of JV during weekday PM rush hours*

W20 - This route has more of a runtime distribution issue. Not enough time during weekdays & Sundays, a bit too much time on Saturdays. The weekday n/b W20X trips during the PM rush should probably become W21 trips, so people who want to go to CCSC can stop boarding & overcrowding the wrong trips.

W25 - I’ve been keeping a watchful eye on this route on Google Maps Live Arrival lately. And...I’m not happy. Runtimes are not enough. Late night weekday service finds the only two buses in circulation going back & forth between Yonkers & Bronx RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. You must be out of your mind to want to wait an hour (if not more) for the W25 at 9/10 PM or so. But hey, at least this allows the 40+ minute late driver to “extend” service to run until past midnight~ /sarcasm

W28 - Restore to pre-2009 levels & pricing. /thread

W40 - n/b weekday service becomes infrequent a bit too early & too abruptly. I would also consider having more trips (maybe every other trip) terminate in the Bronx regularly.

W42 - Truncating most service to 241 St? Not smart. You miss connections with the W25, W26, and Bx31 by doing that.

W45 - Half hourly service all-day would do a huge solid for this route (weekdays & Saturdays). Maybe increase the current Sunday service level to the current Saturday level.

W55 - Infrequent, not enough runtime per trip during rush hours. Increasing to 20 minute headways would help a ton.

W60 - I would keep 40 ft buses off this route during rush hours. And probably have more Sunday service going towards White Plains (4:20 PM being the last n/b departure out of Fordham on Sundays is simply way too early).

W62 - I feel like the current number of s/b trips is probably not enough (nor are they scheduled sensibly).

W66 - I’m legitimately surprised this route has been seemingly immune to cuts/elimination, given it’s ridership levels (from what I’ve seen since I use it pretty often).

W78 - This route is the perfect example of how Sunday service SHOULD be. In the midst of all the barebones service (if any) on most routes on Sundays, this one trooper stays strong. Also, they finally updated the rollsign program for Central Avenue-bound trips.

W91 - This route is the perfect opportunity for a Limited Stop year-round service to help out the W7 & W42.

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On 9/19/2019 at 10:04 PM, Lawrence St said:

One of the things I've noticed is that you can't transfer between branches of one route, such as Route 1.

The buses are seen as distinct by the fare reader. I have never been double charged for transferring from a 1T to a 1W (Scenario: I missed the 13, so I took the 1T to Route 9 and 119 and dashed across the street for the 1W going East )

The branches of the 1 have distinct colors and destinations, but many transit apps and sites do not take note of this. Which bus you take depends on where you want to go. You should decide before you board.

Route 1 only goes to the Yonkers City Line (or in some cases, Mercy College)

In the evenings, the 1 only goes to the City Line. You could also take the 6 to that same stop.

Route 1W goes to White Plains and turns right at NY-119 when Route 1T continues straight.

  • If you need the Harlem Line, connections to other state systems, or County Offices, you should take the 1W.
  • If you need the Hudson Line, or connections to Ossining, Peekskill or Briarcliff Manor, you should take the 1T. The 1W will also connect to the 13 and 14.

Route 1C - it depends.

  • If the wording is Via WMC, then it stops at the college last.
  • If it says via WCC, it stops at WMC last.

Route 1X is a skip-stop route and utilizes highways and US-9 (it makes one stop along Ashburton Avenue). The 3 goes to Manhattan Road along NY-119, NOT the bus terminal. If you need the terminal, you should take the 1W. There's a shopping mall just beyond the curb.

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I confused the 1X and 3. Also, some clarifications: I use Road names instead of given names (NY-119 instead of Tarrytown Road, NY-9a instead of Saw Mill River Rd, US-9 instead of Broadway/Albany Post Rd)
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There's a reason that you will continue to have folks confusing the 1x as an express 1w..... White Plains is simply more popular a destination than Valhalla.....

Anyway:

On 11/9/2019 at 5:12 PM, MassTransitHonchkrow said:

.....The 3 goes to Manhattan Road along NY-119, NOT the bus terminal. If you need the terminal, you should take the 1W.

I'll assume you meant Manhattanville rd, but I can't give you a pass in saying that the BL-3 doesn't serve the Transcenter (when it does).....

The BL-1W is an afterthought from White Plains during the PM rush :lol:

On 11/9/2019 at 5:12 PM, MassTransitHonchkrow said:

...In the evenings, the 1 only goes to the City Line. You could also take the 6 to that same stop.

The BL-6 does not run along Warburton..... @Lawrence St is right.

Unlike the BL-1x/BL-3 mixup, I don't see how you can confuse the BL-6 running with the BL-1 in that part of Yonkers...

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19 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

There's a reason that you will continue to have folks confusing the 1x as an express 1w..... White Plains is simply more popular a destination than Valhalla.....

Anyway:

I'll assume you meant Manhattanville rd, but I can't give you a pass in saying that the BL-3 doesn't serve the Transcenter (when it does).....

The BL-1W is an afterthought from White Plains during the PM rush :lol:

The BL-6 does not run along Warburton..... @Lawrence St is right.

Unlike the BL-1x/BL-3 mixup, I don't see how you can confuse the BL-6 running with the BL-1 in that part of Yonkers...

Yeah, my bad about the 3.

For about much of the time I was a Westchester County resident, the Warburton Bridge was being rehabbed, and the 1 and 6 actually shared the same trunk within Yonkers. I confused the 1 and 6 itinerary all the time due to that.

 

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5 hours ago, MassTransitHonchkrow said:

Yeah, my bad about the 3.

For about much of the time I was a Westchester County resident, the Warburton Bridge was being rehabbed, and the 1 and 6 actually shared the same trunk within Yonkers. I confused the 1 and 6 itinerary all the time due to that.

 

When the Bridge rehab was being done, the W6 stayed where it was, it was the W1 that got rerouted via Main St - Hastings in order to bypass the bridge work.

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On 11/10/2019 at 5:29 PM, B35 via Church said:

There's a reason that you will continue to have folks confusing the 1x as an express 1w..... White Plains is simply more popular a destination than Valhalla.....

Anyway:

I'll assume you meant Manhattanville rd, but I can't give you a pass in saying that the BL-3 doesn't serve the Transcenter (when it does).....

The BL-1W is an afterthought from White Plains during the PM rush :lol:

The BL-6 does not run along Warburton..... @Lawrence St is right.

Unlike the BL-1x/BL-3 mixup, I don't see how you can confuse the BL-6 running with the BL-1 in that part of Yonkers...

Route W3 is kinda of a express W1, but its frequency and span of service is more for the college in Manhattanville. I really wish it ran all day, because there is no other way to get to White Plains other then the slow 1W or the W1/W2 to the W6.

But I have to say, some of these service spans make absolutely no sense. 1W has Saturday service, but no Sunday service? The one that really makes no sense is how poorly the W20 is scheduled. What is the point of having one W20 bus serve Cross County, and the next one (in 40 minutes) be a W20X, and vice versa? No wonder why the W20's are always bunched together, because that always happens.

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2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Route W3 is kinda of a express W1, but its frequency and span of service is more for the college in Manhattanville....

...Which it doesn't even serve.

Hell, Manhattanville College has its own private shuttle bus anyway.

The BL-3 has no business even running in that general area (Manhattanville rd)... Yeah, it's a defacto express BL-1W to/from Yonkers or The Bronx & I've said for the longest that they should do away with the BL-1W & have the BL-3 run off peak as well as weekends.... Irvington does not need 2 BPH (BL-1T and BL-1W) & to have the local White Plains service (BL-1W) from The Bronx/Yonkers take such a long, drawn-out course to get to the heart of White Plains, is a waste of people's time....

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13 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

...Which it doesn't even serve.

Hell, Manhattanville College has its own private shuttle bus anyway.

The BL-3 has no business even running in that general area (Manhattanville rd)... Yeah, it's a defacto express BL-1W to/from Yonkers or The Bronx & I've said for the longest that they should do away with the BL-1W & have the BL-3 run off peak as well as weekends.... Irvington does not need 2 BPH (BL-1T and BL-1W) & to have the local White Plains service (BL-1W) from The Bronx/Yonkers take such a long, drawn-out course to get to the heart of White Plains, is a waste of people's time....

The frequency of the W1 and its branches in general is just so all over the place its not even funny.

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53 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

The frequency of the W1 and its branches in general is just so all over the place its not even funny.

...which to me is further evidenced by just how many people disembark northbound buses around Getty Sq.

I guarantee if the 1 was a route that was branched to run to either [Tarrytown, WMC, or White Plains] from Yonkers, each branch would not have the service levels that they currently do.

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