Create your own G.O.

[NBTA]

Planned Work:

Work on the Penn Station Switches on 7th and 8th. From 5/2021, to 5/2022.

Phase 1:

No  trains between 96th and Chambers Street. Shuttle trains will run between Chambers Street and South Ferry.

All  trains will run on a reduced schedule, via Lexington Avenue (some trains will run to 96th Street).

No  trains between 14th Street and 96th Street. 

Some  trains will run to New Lots Avenue.

 and  trains will have extra service.

Phase 2:

All ,  and  trains will run local between 34th Street and Chambers Street.

No  trains between 59th Street and Jay Street.  trains will run via the 6th Avenue line in both directions.  trains will also run local between 168th Street and 59th Street.

Some  trains will run via the  and  lines between 47th-50th to 96th Street. This line will also run at a reduced schedule.

No  trains between Chambers Street and 168th Street. 

All  trains will replace  trains between Lexington Avenue and Whitehall Street.

Phase 3:

All , , and  trains service is running on or close to schedule.

All , , and  trains are running local between Chambers Street and 168th Street.

 trains are running on a reduced schedule, and are running express between 59th Street and 145th Street.

During Phase 2 and 3, all LIRR trains to/from Far Rockaway and to/from Jamaica will be cross-honoring between Penn Station and Jamaica/Far Rockaway.

[FamousNYLover]

Broadway Bridge Renovation for weekend.

 No trains between Dyckman and 242nd Sts. Free shuttle buses provided.

Bx7 and Bx20 rerouted via Kingsbridge Rd/Sedgwick Av/Fordham Av and Universtiy Heights Bridge, then via 10th Av/215th St. Bx7 and Bx20 will not make any stops between 215th & 225th Sts.

BxM1 will follow same detour as Bx7/Bx20.

 

 

[FamousNYLover]

Manhattan Bridge renovation on both tracks.

: No trains running.

: Trains run between Norwood-205th St and 2nd Av . No train service between Broadway-Lafayette and Coney Island-Stilwlell Av.

: Trains will run via  between Canal and 59th St-Brooklyn.

: Trains will run via  between Canal and Atlantic Av, then at Coney Island,  will run on  to/from 36th St-4th Av.

Manhattan Bridge Shuttle buses operate in following.

6th Av Shuttle Bus will  leaving Atlantic av-Pacific St will stop at DeKalb Av, Grand St, 2nd Av and Broadway-Lafayette.

Broadway Shuttle Bus will leaving from atlantic Av-Pacific st on 4th Av entrance, stopping at DeKalb Av, Jay St, Court St-Borough Hall and Canal St.

NYC Ferry's will cross honor MetroCard at Brooklyn Bridge Park, DUMBO, Wall St Pier, 34th St Pier.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=11N7wGZkg_4JEz3jpgERyxCA64sqsgRH-&usp=sharing

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by FamousNYLover

[Vulturious]

12 hours ago, FamousNYLover said:

Manhattan Bridge renovation on both tracks.

: No trains running.

: Trains run between Norwood-205th St and 2nd Av . No train service between Broadway-Lafayette and Coney Island-Stilwlell Av.

: Trains will run via  between Canal and 59th St-Brooklyn.

: Trains will run via  between Canal and Atlantic Av, then at Coney Island,  will run on  to/from 36th St-4th Av.

Manhattan Bridge Shuttle buses operate in following.

6th Av Shuttle Bus will  leaving Atlantic av-Pacific St will stop at DeKalb Av, Grand St, 2nd Av and Broadway-Lafayette.

Broadway Shuttle Bus will leaving from atlantic Av-Pacific st on 4th Av entrance, stopping at DeKalb Av, Jay St, Court St-Borough Hall and Canal St.

NYC Ferry's will cross honor MetroCard at Brooklyn Bridge Park, DUMBO, Wall St Pier, 34th St Pier.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=11N7wGZkg_4JEz3jpgERyxCA64sqsgRH-&usp=sharing

 

So from what I'm understanding, You plan on having  trains extended from Coney Island towards 36th St? Sounds like a pretty cool idea, although, I don't think keeping having 3 different lines running via Montague is a good idea. That is if it's running during weekdays and not just weekends and late nights. Although, wouldn't it be better to extend  trains to Church Av via the ?  trains can make express stops on Culver and run local stops from Church to Coney Island and maybe even be extended towards 36th St? If anything, run shuttle service between Atlantic and Coney Island via 4th Av Express and West End, splitting up service.

[FamousNYLover]

24 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

So from what I'm understanding, You plan on having  trains extended from Coney Island towards 36th St? Sounds like a pretty cool idea, although, I don't think keeping having 3 different lines running via Montague is a good idea. That is if it's running during weekdays and not just weekends and late nights. Although, wouldn't it be better to extend  trains to Church Av via the ?  trains can make express stops on Culver and run local stops from Church to Coney Island and maybe even be extended towards 36th St? If anything, run shuttle service between Atlantic and Coney Island via 4th Av Express and West End, splitting up service.

 trains will not be running.

 

[Vulturious]

3 hours ago, FamousNYLover said:

 trains will not be running.

 

Well I never mentioned , but I also asked if this was during Weekdays as well or just Weekends and late nights? 

[FamousNYLover]

Hillside Av  station track works between Kew Garden and Jamaica-179th St.

 trains run local in Queens between Forest Hill and Jamaica Center.

 trains rerouted via  to/from Jamaica Center. Some trains terminate/originate at Kew Garden-Union Turnpike

Q20A, Q20B, Q25, Q30, Q31, Q34, Q43, Q44 SBS, Q60, Q65, Q110, Q111, Q112, Q113, Q114 buses will add more service.

Free shuttle buses operate between Jamaica-179th St and Kew Garden-Union Turnpike every 5 minutes.

LIRR will cross honor MetroCard customers at Atlantic Terminal, Nostrand Av, East New York, Penn Station, Woodside, Jamaica, Hollis, Queens Village, Laurenton manor, St. Alban, and Rosedale.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1MvkSpj6c7ZZ74FuUl18flWnIKxNHPYcx&usp=sharing

 

 

 

 

[T to Dyre Avenue]

On 12/9/2020 at 2:13 AM, FamousNYLover said:

Manhattan Bridge renovation on both tracks.

: No trains running.

: Trains run between Norwood-205th St and 2nd Av . No train service between Broadway-Lafayette and Coney Island-Stilwlell Av.

: Trains will run via  between Canal and 59th St-Brooklyn.

: Trains will run via  between Canal and Atlantic Av, then at Coney Island,  will run on  to/from 36th St-4th Av.

Manhattan Bridge Shuttle buses operate in following.

6th Av Shuttle Bus will  leaving Atlantic av-Pacific St will stop at DeKalb Av, Grand St, 2nd Av and Broadway-Lafayette.

Broadway Shuttle Bus will leaving from atlantic Av-Pacific st on 4th Av entrance, stopping at DeKalb Av, Jay St, Court St-Borough Hall and Canal St.

NYC Ferry's will cross honor MetroCard at Brooklyn Bridge Park, DUMBO, Wall St Pier, 34th St Pier.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=11N7wGZkg_4JEz3jpgERyxCA64sqsgRH-&usp=sharing

 

Does this mean the Brighton Line is closed if you have the  replacing the  in Brooklyn? You didn’t say anything about substitute service on Brighton.

Maybe have the  resume its regular route after DeKalb and have a shuttle train between Stillwell and 36th on either the Sea Beach or West End, with the  running through service on the other line. During March to November 1995, this is almost exactly what they did when they closed the Manhattan Bridge to trains entirely outside of rush hours. Service went something like this: 

 - Shuttle from 36th St to Stillwell via West End

 - 205th St to 34th St/Herald Square

 - Metropolitan to Chambers (normal rush hour service back then was to Bay Parkway; midday service was to 9th Ave)

 - Ditmars to Stillwell via Montague and Sea Beach. Local in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn (normal service back then was express weekdays in Brooklyn while the  ran local, local other times, as well as local full time in Queens and Manhattan)

 - 21st/Queensbridge to Stillwell via Broadway Express to Canal, then via the  between Canal and DeKalb. Resumed its regular route after DeKalb, but ran local to Stillwell in place of the , which was suspended below 34th St (normal service back then was the  running express to/from Brighton Beach via 6th Ave to/from 21st/Queensbridge).

 - unchanged

The big differences today are that the  is part time, the  is express weekdays in Manhattan, the  runs 24/7 from 2nd Ave and the  runs via 6th Ave. So the  would be suspended, like you said. The  would most likely be cut off at 34th, because that’s much easier operationally. Ending the  at 2nd Ave would likely cause a big logjam there with  trains leaving the station merging with the , then the  merging in a few hundred meters away before Broadway-Lafayette. As for the , it should be able to run normal service after DeKalb, unless there is also something preventing trains from Manhattan from accessing the Brighton Line.

Edited December 11, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue

[Maxwell179]

13 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Does this mean the Brighton Line is closed if you have the  replacing the  in Brooklyn? You didn’t say anything about substitute service on Brighton.

On 12/9/2020 at 2:13 AM, FamousNYLover said:

 

: Trains will run via  between Canal and Atlantic Av, then at Coney Island,  will run on  to/from 36th St-4th Av.

 

I think he means the  continues down Brighton then to the west end from coney

[darkstar8983]

14 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

 

Or how about:

 

 - suspended

 - split service:

1. 205 St to 34 St-Herald Sq

2. Atlantic Av-Barclays Center to Stillwell Av

 - late night service pattern - local in Manhattan and Brooklyn via the  between Canal St and DeKalb Av

 rerouted via the  from Canal St to DeKalb Av. Downtown trains local from 57 St-7 Av to Canal St

 

if this change had to be 24/7, then the service frequencies would be:

 

 - every 10 minutes on the Brooklyn segment. Normal frequency in the Manhattan/Bronx Segment

 - every 12 minutes between Manhattan and Brooklyn. Select rush hour trains from Astoria terminate at 34 St-Herald Sq every 20 minutes or so.

 - every 5 minutes

- every 12 minutes.

*this would account for the limited train capacity thru the Montague Tunnel and lower Broadway Line. I think the train cap is 22 TPH. But if it were 26, then the  would each be every 10 minutes.

 

the only true bottleneck would be 57 St-7 Av, because the  shuttles from Astoria to 34 St-Herald Sq would use both express tracks at 57 St and switching between express/local north of 57 St,  while the  would switch between the express and local tracks south of 57 St southbound.

Edited December 12, 2020 by darkstar8983

[darkstar8983]

6th Avenue  Full closure for signal upgrades - Full Time for about 3 weeks:

 

 trains would run only from Brighton Beach to DeKalb Av, then via the  to 96 St. - Frequency; Every 8 minutes Rush hours and every 10 minutes Middays. Trains would run from 6AM to 9PM (Departures from Brighton Beach) 

 trains would run from Norwood-205 St to 59 St-Columbus Circle, then via the  Express to Jay St-MetroTech, and via the  line to Stillwell Av. Alternating trains would run local between 145 St and 59 St-Columbus Circle to provide additional local service on Central Park West. Service frequency - Every 6 minutes rush hours, every 10 minutes middays, every 12 minutes evenings and weekends, and every 20 minutes overnight. 

 trains would run from Jamaica-179 St to Lexington Av-63 St, then via the  to 34 St-Herald Sq, then via the  line to 36 St-4 Av in Brooklyn, then via the  line to Stillwell Av (Bypassing DeKalb Av). Service Frequency - every 8 minutes during rush hours, every 10 minutes middays, and every 12 minutes evenings + weekends. 

 trains would run weekdays from 6:30AM to 8PM between Metropolitan Av and Essex St, then via the  to Chambers St, every 10 minutes all day.

 

Route changes needed:

 trains would run via the  between 57 St-7 Av and Atlantic Av-Barclays Center. Express service on 4 Av would remain. Service frequency would remain unchanged

trains would run every 20 minutes - No other route changes.

 - Trains run every 12 minutes between 168 St and World Trade Center only

 trains make local stops between Hoyt-Schemerhorn and Euclid Av in both directions (this could be isolated to the Lefferts Blvd  trains only if possible.

[Vulturious]

6 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

6th Avenue  Full closure for signal upgrades - Full Time for about 3 weeks:

 

 trains would run only from Brighton Beach to DeKalb Av, then via the  to 96 St. - Frequency; Every 8 minutes Rush hours and every 10 minutes Middays. Trains would run from 6AM to 9PM (Departures from Brighton Beach) 

 trains would run from Norwood-205 St to 59 St-Columbus Circle, then via the  Express to Jay St-MetroTech, and via the  line to Stillwell Av. Alternating trains would run local between 145 St and 59 St-Columbus Circle to provide additional local service on Central Park West. Service frequency - Every 6 minutes rush hours, every 10 minutes middays, every 12 minutes evenings and weekends, and every 20 minutes overnight. 

 trains would run from Jamaica-179 St to Lexington Av-63 St, then via the  to 34 St-Herald Sq, then via the  line to 36 St-4 Av in Brooklyn, then via the  line to Stillwell Av (Bypassing DeKalb Av). Service Frequency - every 8 minutes during rush hours, every 10 minutes middays, and every 12 minutes evenings + weekends. 

 trains would run weekdays from 6:30AM to 8PM between Metropolitan Av and Essex St, then via the  to Chambers St, every 10 minutes all day.

 

Route changes needed:

 trains would run via the  between 57 St-7 Av and Atlantic Av-Barclays Center. Express service on 4 Av would remain. Service frequency would remain unchanged

trains would run every 20 minutes - No other route changes.

 - Trains run every 12 minutes between 168 St and World Trade Center only

 trains make local stops between Hoyt-Schemerhorn and Euclid Av in both directions (this could be isolated to the Lefferts Blvd  trains only if possible.

Interesting G.O. Although, wouldn't the  at this point just be the  running? Is it possible to have the  basically run the same route the  runs? Changes I would've done would be:

 trains run from Bedford Park Boulevard to 59th St normal, then run local via the  to Jay St-MetroTech. Then from there, it runs express from Jay St to Church Av terminating with the  (if possible) or to Kings Highway during rush hours. I don't know about how many trains per hour it would run like this though, but I would keep it running the same amount of hours a day so that at least you don't just basically duplicate the . I do not know how doable this is having service run like this.

Can't you technically have the  make a return to Bay Parkway? Just curious, pretty well thought out, although it definitely would be an interesting 3 weeks if this actually happened.

[darkstar8983]

9 hours ago, Vulturious said:

Interesting G.O. Although, wouldn't the  at this point just be the  running? Is it possible to have the  basically run the same route the  runs? Changes I would've done would be:

 trains run from Bedford Park Boulevard to 59th St normal, then run local via the  to Jay St-MetroTech. Then from there, it runs express from Jay St to Church Av terminating with the  (if possible) or to Kings Highway during rush hours. I don't know about how many trains per hour it would run like this though, but I would keep it running the same amount of hours a day so that at least you don't just basically duplicate the . I do not know how doable this is having service run like this.

Can't you technically have the  make a return to Bay Parkway? Just curious, pretty well thought out, although it definitely would be an interesting 3 weeks if this actually happened.

Unfortunately, your  route wouldn’t fit thru the Cranberry St tunnel since the  would be routed that way, and the  already had to be cut to make room. And to keep thr Brighton Line with sufficient service, we do need a duplicate of the , be it called the or  

[darkstar8983]

For an 8th Avenue Full Closure (34 St-Penn Station to Jay St-MetroTech) - Extended to 59 St-Columbus Circle during overnights and weekends

Weekdays:

 - Trains run from 207 St to 59 St-Columbus Circle (Express), then via the  to 34 St-Herald Sq, then via the  to Jay St-MetroTech. Local in Brooklyn (again, could be local service for the Lefferts  trains only)

 - Brighton Beach to DeKalb Av, then via the  to 96 St. No service between Bedford Park Blvd and Grand St. - Frequency reduced to every 8-10 minutes rush hours due to sharing of track capacity on the Manhattan Bridge with the *

 - 168 St to 59 St-Columbus Circle (via Local) - Trains would terminate on the Uptown Express track - trains would run every 12 minutes*

* and  trains would make the stop at 59 St-Columbus Circle uptown on the local track

 - Select trains would make local stops along Central Park West to supplement  service

- Six-minute frequency overall, split as 12 minute headways for local service and 12-minute headways for express service.

 - Jamaica Center to 34 St-Penn Station - Trains relay using the pocket track south of 34 St, and run on the express tracks at 42 St. - Frequency of Rush Hour service reduced to every 7-8 minutes. *(Local tracks closed full time from 59 St-Columbus Circle to Jay St-MetroTech, but only express tracks between 30 St and 50 St remain in service weekdays from 5:30AM to 9:30PM)

 - Runs from Metropolitan Av to Essex St, then via the  to Chambers St

 - Rush hour frequency reduced (no 96 St-2 Av rush hour trips).

 

Weekends

 - Same pattern as above (except local on Central Park West Late Nights, and local in Brooklyn Weekends + Late Nights)

 -Suspended

 - Rerouted via the  from 5 Av-53 St (or Roosevelt Av, if we want to include 53 St tunnel work in this closure) to 2 Av.

 - Normal weekend service

 

 

 

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For a full-time Broadway Line Closure *concurrent with the addition of a reverse signaling at the downtown local track at 34 St-Herald Sq

 

-  trains run in 2 sections:

1. Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to 34 St-Herald Sq (49 St skipped northbound)

2. Atlantic Av-Barclays Center to Stillwell Av (via 4 Av Express/Sea Beach all times - including late nights)

*frequency - every 5-6 minutes on the Astoria section due to both downtown tracks being available in this scenario, every 10 minutes on the Brooklyn Section. If the downtown local track is NOT available, then the  would run every 8-10 minutes in the Astoria section.

 

 trains rerouted via 6 Av in both directions between Lexington Av-63 St and DeKalb Av. Express service on 6 Av and trains would run via the  tracks from north of 47-50 Sts to DeKalb Av, to allow the  to remain on 6 Av for this closure

 

 trains run only from Court St to Bay Ridge-95 St via 4 Av Local

*A Forest Hills-71 Av to 34 St-Herald Sq section could be run every 10 minutes if the demand for Astoria service is low enough that thee other track could be spared for the . Otherwise, both tracks are for the . Again, this is contingent on there being a reverse signal available to run trains northbound out of the downtown local track.

 suspended

 

 

 

[Lawrence St]

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JEROME LINE REHABILIATION

Weekends, starting Dec 31 until Summer 2021

We're doing this work in three phases!

PHASE 1:

Dec 31st to Jan 18th, 2021

 trains operate between Crown Heights-Utica Av and 125th St, and via the  to/from 138th St.  trains arrive and depart on the middle track at 138th St.

PHASE 2:

Jan 18th, 2021 to April 4th, 2021

 trains operate between Crown Heights-Utica Av and 149th St-Grand Concourse. Uptown  trains arrive on the middle track at 149th St and skip 138th St.

PHASE 3:

April 4th, 2021 to Summer 2021

 trains operate in two sections:

Between Crown Heights-Utica Av and 149th St-Grand Concourse.

Between Woodlawn and 161st St/Yankee Stadium. (service operates between Kingsbridge Rd and 167th St on July 4th-6th.)

As an alternative, use the train making nearby stops on Grand Concourse, or use free shuttle buses.

 

[Bklyn Bound 2 Local]

STATION AND TRACK RESTORATION

EFFECTIVE 24/7 FROM FEB 14, 2021 TO EARLY SUMMER 2021

The stations and track between Myrtle Ave and Broadway Junction are some of the oldest in the system, dating back to the late 1800's.

We are trying to restore these stations and track, so no service will run between Myrtle Av and Broadway Junction.

Because of this, service is going to be changed differently depending on the time.

RUSH HOUR:

•  trains will run via the  to Middle Village - Metropolitan Avenue,making express stops west of Myrtle Ave.
•  trains are only running between Broadway Junction and Jamaica Center, making all local stops.
•  trains will be running more frequent service between Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and Broadway Junction

MID-DAY AND EVENINGS:

•  trains will continue to operate during mid-day and evenings, but will run local.
•  trains will run exactly the same service as during rush hour.

LATE NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS:

•  trains will run same service as rush hour
•  trains will not run
•  trains will run between Metropolitan Av and Broad Street, and will be labeled as  trains.

[Vulturious]

1 hour ago, Bklyn Bound 2 Local said:

STATION AND TRACK RESTORATION

EFFECTIVE 24/7 FROM FEB 14, 2021 TO EARLY SUMMER 2021

The stations and track between Myrtle Ave and Broadway Junction are some of the oldest in the system, dating back to the late 1800's.

We are trying to restore these stations and track, so no service will run between Myrtle Av and Broadway Junction.

Because of this, service is going to be changed differently depending on the time.

RUSH HOUR:

•  trains will run via the  to Middle Village - Metropolitan Avenue,making express stops west of Myrtle Ave.
•  trains are only running between Broadway Junction and Jamaica Center, making all local stops.
•  trains will be running more frequent service between Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and Broadway Junction

MID-DAY AND EVENINGS:

•  trains will continue to operate during mid-day and evenings, but will run local.
•  trains will run exactly the same service as during rush hour.

LATE NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS:

•  trains will run same service as rush hour
•  trains will not run
•  trains will run between Metropolitan Av and Broad Street, and will be labeled as  trains.

You might as well have just kept the  as the  still since there is no need to go and change it to that. Sure its running via the , but there's no need to even keep the  running at all, just have the  running only during the weekdays and other times the  will continue to run. It's going to be running the same stops anyways.

[Maxwell179]

3 hours ago, Bklyn Bound 2 Local said:

STATION AND TRACK RESTORATION

EFFECTIVE 24/7 FROM FEB 14, 2021 TO EARLY SUMMER 2021

The stations and track between Myrtle Ave and Broadway Junction are some of the oldest in the system, dating back to the late 1800's.

We are trying to restore these stations and track, so no service will run between Myrtle Av and Broadway Junction.

Because of this, service is going to be changed differently depending on the time.

RUSH HOUR:

•  trains will run via the  to Middle Village - Metropolitan Avenue,making express stops west of Myrtle Ave.
•  trains are only running between Broadway Junction and Jamaica Center, making all local stops.
•  trains will be running more frequent service between Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and Broadway Junction

MID-DAY AND EVENINGS:

•  trains will continue to operate during mid-day and evenings, but will run local.
•  trains will run exactly the same service as during rush hour.

LATE NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS:

•  trains will run same service as rush hour
•  trains will not run
•  trains will run between Metropolitan Av and Broad Street, and will be labeled as  trains.

you mean stops between Marcy & Myrtle or between Myrtle & Metropolitan ?

[Storm]

Track replacement on the Manhattan bridge and Montague Street Tunnel between Feb 2021 and April 2021

 trains run between Forest Hills and Whitehall Street. 

 trains run between Astoria Ditmars Blvd and Whitehall Street. Some  trains will turn around at 14th St Union Square. 

 trains will run between 96th Street and Canal Street. Some  trains will run via the  line from Lexington Ave 63rd Street to Coney Island.

 trains will run to Coney Island. Some  trains will run to Bay Ridge- 95th Street.

 trains will run between 179th Street and Coney Island. Some  trains will run via West End.

Frank  trains will run from Prospect Park to Coney Island via Brighton. For the 7th Ave Subway station (), there will be a free above ground transfer to the  at Grand Army Plaza.

 trains will run via Sea Beach from Atlantic Barclays-Coney Island.

 trains will run from Astoria Ditmars Blvd and Canal Street. Some trains will run via the  line to Myrtle Avenue.

 trains will run from Norwood and W 4 St.

, , , , , and  trains provide Alternate Service.

 

 

[darkstar8983]

6 hours ago, Stormxx said:

Track replacement on the Manhattan bridge and Montague Street Tunnel between Feb 2021 and April 2021

 trains run between Forest Hills and Whitehall Street. 

 trains run between Astoria Ditmars Blvd and Whitehall Street. Some  trains will turn around at 14th St Union Square. 

 trains will run between 96th Street and Canal Street. Some  trains will run via the  line from Lexington Ave 63rd Street to Coney Island.

 trains will run to Coney Island. Some  trains will run to Bay Ridge- 95th Street.

 trains will run between 179th Street and Coney Island. Some  trains will run via West End.

Frank  trains will run from Prospect Park to Coney Island via Brighton. For the 7th Ave Subway station (), there will be a free above ground transfer to the  at Grand Army Plaza.

 trains will run via Sea Beach from Atlantic Barclays-Coney Island.

 trains will run from Astoria Ditmars Blvd and Canal Street. Some trains will run via the  line to Myrtle Avenue.

 trains will run from Norwood and W 4 St.

, , , , , and  trains provide Alternate Service.

 

 

Would you do this in phases, or in one go?

if you want to close the Manhattan Bridge (all four tracks at once)

-  and  trains rerouted via the  lower manhattan between Canal St and DeKalb Av. 
-  trains either suspended or running every 20 minutes from 34 St to Astoria, bypassing 49 St.

-  and  service cut south of 34 St. 
- shuttle  train service between Atlantic Av Barclays Center and Stillwell Av (4 Av Express, with the  running local).

If the Montague Tunnel is closed, then the  will be split similarly to how it was in 2013-2014, with the  train terminating at Canal St.

 

if the Bridge tracks are closed one pair at a time, then the  is rerouted via lower manhattan regardless of the closure side.

Broadway Closure:

 rerouted via 6 Av

some  trains terminate at Canal St (or completely suspended, replaced by the , some trains terminating at Canal St or Whitehall St.)

 

6 Av Closure

 train rerouted via Broadway to Astoria (stops at 49 St)

 train rerouted via Broadway to 96 St

 train suspended

[Vulturious]

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

9 hours ago, Stormxx said:

Track replacement on the Manhattan bridge and Montague Street Tunnel between Feb 2021 and April 2021

 trains run between Forest Hills and Whitehall Street. 

 trains run between Astoria Ditmars Blvd and Whitehall Street. Some  trains will turn around at 14th St Union Square. 

 trains will run between 96th Street and Canal Street. Some  trains will run via the  line from Lexington Ave 63rd Street to Coney Island.

 trains will run to Coney Island. Some  trains will run to Bay Ridge- 95th Street.

 trains will run between 179th Street and Coney Island. Some  trains will run via West End.

Frank  trains will run from Prospect Park to Coney Island via Brighton. For the 7th Ave Subway station (), there will be a free above ground transfer to the  at Grand Army Plaza.

 trains will run via Sea Beach from Atlantic Barclays-Coney Island.

 trains will run from Astoria Ditmars Blvd and Canal Street. Some trains will run via the  line to Myrtle Avenue.

 trains will run from Norwood and W 4 St.

, , , , , and  trains provide Alternate Service.

 

 

Would you do this in phases, or in one go?

if you want to close the Manhattan Bridge (all four tracks at once)

-  and  trains rerouted via the  lower manhattan between Canal St and DeKalb Av. 
-  trains either suspended or running every 20 minutes from 34 St to Astoria, bypassing 49 St.

-  and  service cut south of 34 St. 
- shuttle  train service between Atlantic Av Barclays Center and Stillwell Av (4 Av Express, with the  running local).

If the Montague Tunnel is closed, then the  will be split similarly to how it was in 2013-2014, with the  train terminating at Canal St.

 

if the Bridge tracks are closed one pair at a time, then the  is rerouted via lower manhattan regardless of the closure side.

Broadway Closure:

 rerouted via 6 Av

some  trains terminate at Canal St (or completely suspended, replaced by the , some trains terminating at Canal St or Whitehall St.)

 

6 Av Closure

 train rerouted via Broadway to Astoria (stops at 49 St)

 train rerouted via Broadway to 96 St

 train suspended

Yeah, I'm going to agree with what he said about doing it in phases because it would be impossible to suspend service running through both Montague and Manhattan Bridge as not only would that piss off a lot of people from South Brooklyn, but it would've been hell.

People at Atlantic Av would be crowding the , , , and  just to get into Manhattan which is already crowded as is with how small those trains are compared to B division cars. If something were to happen along either Clark St or Joralemon St tunnel, it would be even worse.

You also have the issue of crowding the , , and . The  and  already have issues as is because they both have to share a tunnel between Hoyt and Canal St and the  having to deal with the , , and the . I'd bring back the  for the purpose of at least serving Grand St as it is a station that is forced to not have any service which means  trains would be have to terminate at 34 St-Herald Sq. 

How the hell are  trains going to run to Bay Ridge-95 St? There are no connections that allow for this to occur whatsoever, if you're assuming that because of the transfer at 4 Av-9 St, then you're dead wrong.

 trains cannot terminate at 14 St-Union Sq as there are no switches over there to begin with.

There is no way for  trains to run via West End without running along Manhattan Bridge, unless you extend  trains along West End from Coney Island which would already be a major issue because of both closures of the Bridge and Tunnel.

The Franklin Av  cannot replace the  along Brighton as it runs a length of 2-75 Feet long cars. Even if you were to add in more cars, the stations along the Franklin Av  line are way to small to add in more train cars. Not to mention, keeping them at 2 cars would mean a capacity issue, which is why the  whenever it couldn't run to Manhattan from Prospect Park still ran only to terminate at Prospect Park. If the  didn't go ahead and demolish to halfass its reconstruction, maybe then we would've seen the  extended from Prospect Park to Coney Island and not confuse people.

[Storm]

8 hours ago, Vulturious said:

Yeah, I'm going to agree with what he said about doing it in phases because it would be impossible to suspend service running through both Montague and Manhattan Bridge as not only would that piss off a lot of people from South Brooklyn, but it would've been hell.

People at Atlantic Av would be crowding the , , , and  just to get into Manhattan which is already crowded as is with how small those trains are compared to B division cars. If something were to happen along either Clark St or Joralemon St tunnel, it would be even worse.

You also have the issue of crowding the , , and . The  and  already have issues as is because they both have to share a tunnel between Hoyt and Canal St and the  having to deal with the , , and the . I'd bring back the  for the purpose of at least serving Grand St as it is a station that is forced to not have any service which means  trains would be have to terminate at 34 St-Herald Sq. 

How the hell are  trains going to run to Bay Ridge-95 St? There are no connections that allow for this to occur whatsoever, if you're assuming that because of the transfer at 4 Av-9 St, then you're dead wrong.

 trains cannot terminate at 14 St-Union Sq as there are no switches over there to begin with.

There is no way for  trains to run via West End without running along Manhattan Bridge, unless you extend  trains along West End from Coney Island which would already be a major issue because of both closures of the Bridge and Tunnel.

The Franklin Av  cannot replace the  along Brighton as it runs a length of 2-75 Feet long cars. Even if you were to add in more cars, the stations along the Franklin Av  line are way to small to add in more train cars. Not to mention, keeping them at 2 cars would mean a capacity issue, which is why the  whenever it couldn't run to Manhattan from Prospect Park still ran only to terminate at Prospect Park. If the  didn't go ahead and demolish to halfass its reconstruction, maybe then we would've seen the  extended from Prospect Park to Coney Island and not confuse people.

 

TRACK REPAIRS ALONG THE MANHATTAN BRIDGE Feb 13-14 and Feb 20-21

Phase 1: Track repairs along the Manhattan-Bound side (Feb 13 and 14)

 train service is suspended.

 trains run every 10 minutes.  trains are running in two sections: W 4 st to Norwood and Coney Island to 36th st

Manhattan bound  trains are running every 15 minutes via the Brooklyn side. Brooklyn bound service is running every 12 minutes.

Brooklyn bound  trains run every 15 minutes. Manhattan bound service runs every 12 minutes.

Phase 2: Track repairs along the Brooklyn-Bound side (Feb 20-21)

 trains run from Atlantic Barclays to Coney Island.

 trains run every 10 mins in two sections: W 4 to norwood and 36th st to Coney Island.

Manhattan bound  trains are running every 12 minutes via the Manhattan side. Brooklyn bound service is running every 15 minutes.

Brooklyn bound  trains run every 12 minutes. Manhattan bound service runs every 15 minutes.

Alternate service: , , , , , , , , .

 trains will run via the  line in manhattan and will run via the  line in brooklyn to Franklin Ave- medgars college.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vulturious]

5 hours ago, Stormxx said:

TRACK REPAIRS ALONG THE MANHATTAN BRIDGE Feb 13-14 and Feb 20-21

Phase 1: Track repairs along the Manhattan-Bound side (Feb 13 and 14)

 train service is suspended.

 trains run every 10 minutes.  trains are running in two sections: W 4 st to Norwood and Coney Island to 36th st

Manhattan bound  trains are running every 15 minutes via the Brooklyn side. Brooklyn bound service is running every 12 minutes.

Brooklyn bound  trains run every 15 minutes. Manhattan bound service runs every 12 minutes.

Phase 2: Track repairs along the Brooklyn-Bound side (Feb 20-21)

 trains run from Atlantic Barclays to Coney Island.

 trains run every 10 mins in two sections: W 4 to norwood and 36th st to Coney Island.

Manhattan bound  trains are running every 12 minutes via the Manhattan side. Brooklyn bound service is running every 15 minutes.

Brooklyn bound  trains run every 12 minutes. Manhattan bound service runs every 15 minutes.

Alternate service: , , , , , , , , .

 trains will run via the  line in manhattan and will run via the  line in brooklyn to Franklin Ave- medgars college.

Well you definitely learned something, just to point out something,  trains don't run during the weekend so it wouldn't matter if you said they're suspended. They also cannot operate to Coney Island as it will interfere with  trains trying to terminate and it cannot terminate at Atlantic because there is no relay switch for that to happen and it will also interfere with  service trying to run through Atlantic Av.

Why not extended the  in Brooklyn to Atlantic Av and have  trains run local from 59 St? This would allow better connections for people taking the  to at least connect to the , , , , and . 

[Bklyn Bound 2 Local]

On 2/11/2021 at 2:00 PM, Maxwell179 said:

you mean stops between Marcy & Myrtle or between Myrtle & Metropolitan ?

Kosciuzko, Gates, Halsey, and Chauncey are closed

[Bklyn Bound 2 Local]

On 2/11/2021 at 12:53 PM, Vulturious said:

You might as well have just kept the  as the  still since there is no need to go and change it to that. Sure its running via the , but there's no need to even keep the  running at all, just have the  running only during the weekdays and other times the  will continue to run. It's going to be running the same stops anyways.

The reason I used the  and  is because the  is used for only rush hour service normally, so having the  run on weekends and late nights would be very confusing for a lot of people