Future ENY OP Posted June 7, 2017 Share #1 Posted June 7, 2017 I've been noticing in recent months and maybe within the last year or two there's been a wave of window wraps on the express buses. Is there a possibility that the wraps used on express buses will migrate over to local buses? Primarily Manhattan and or Brooklyn? I understand that most express bus depots don't use the window wraps on local buses. Reason why I'm saying this is because when I leave the city for Philadelphia and Washington DC. They wrap their buses or at the least rear wrap their buses (I'm guessing for adversting dollars). Will the ever go back to rear wraps or window wraps on their local buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted June 8, 2017 Share #2 Posted June 8, 2017 The window wraps on the express bus really needs to stop. Paying $6.50 to look through blur... Some people refuse to sit in seats that have the wrap over the window, unless the bus is getting crowded, but those are usually the last few seats to get doubled up. I do recall seeing a lot of Orion VII OG/NG Hybrids from the city wrapped with window wraps(only one window is covered up; it's connected to the main ad on the side panels under the windows). So I'm sure they're interchangeable, but they best work on those buses. Express buses should only have side ads for under the windows. The local buses should have them on the sides under the windows, a banner ad for the space over the windows, and the rear panel ad. However, with the new scheme, buses are becoming ad-less on the outside (which I agree on). There should be ads all over the insides similar to how the subway cars are set up(across the top) and that's it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted June 8, 2017 Share #3 Posted June 8, 2017 The window wraps on the express bus really needs to stop. Paying $6.50 to look through blur... Some people refuse to sit in seats that have the wrap over the window, unless the bus is getting crowded, but those are usually the last few seats to get doubled up. I do recall seeing a lot of Orion VII OG/NG Hybrids from the city wrapped with window wraps(only one window is covered up; it's connected to the main ad on the side panels under the windows). So I'm sure they're interchangeable, but they best work on those buses. Express buses should only have side ads for under the windows. The local buses should have them on the sides under the windows, a banner ad for the space over the windows, and the rear panel ad. However, with the new scheme, buses are becoming ad-less on the outside (which I agree on). There should be ads all over the insides similar to how the subway cars are set up(across the top) and that's it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Agreed. I actually get a head ache trying to look through the windows with the wraps. I don't think the window wraps are any more effective than a regular ad, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted June 8, 2017 The window wraps on the express bus really needs to stop. Paying $6.50 to look through blur... Some people refuse to sit in seats that have the wrap over the window, unless the bus is getting crowded, but those are usually the last few seats to get doubled up. I do recall seeing a lot of Orion VII OG/NG Hybrids from the city wrapped with window wraps(only one window is covered up; it's connected to the main ad on the side panels under the windows). So I'm sure they're interchangeable, but they best work on those buses. Express buses should only have side ads for under the windows. The local buses should have them on the sides under the windows, a banner ad for the space over the windows, and the rear panel ad. However, with the new scheme, buses are becoming ad-less on the outside (which I agree on). There should be ads all over the insides similar to how the subway cars are set up(across the top) and that's it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk With the prevosts you can't have rear ads on the back of those buses, and I get what your saying about the window wrap on the driver side of the bus. The question would pose. With the incoming bus orders in guessing we will see rear ads on the new buses? Also, with the current fleet no rear or window wraps with exception of express buses and what are other ways that can generate advertising costs? I saw a few buses in Manhattan with the __I shape on the driver side, and certain ads you would see in Manhattan with the exterior top portion of the bus in Manhattan, you don't get those ads in Brooklyn or The Bronx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 8, 2017 Share #5 Posted June 8, 2017 Agreed. I actually get a head ache trying to look through the windows with the wraps. I don't think the window wraps are any more effective than a regular ad, to be honest. But I'm sure they bring more money in. But on that, with a 7 million daily ridership, why is it that NYCTA advertising revenue isn't higher? I might be comparing two different mediums, but if TV networks/shows are profitable getting 3.5 million people to watch the show and commercials - despite changing channels, why can't transit do better in this area when it has a captive audience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 8, 2017 Share #6 Posted June 8, 2017 Agreed. I actually get a head ache trying to look through the windows with the wraps. I don't think the window wraps are any more effective than a regular ad, to be honest. The window wraps on the express bus really needs to stop. Paying $6.50 to look through blur... Some people refuse to sit in seats that have the wrap over the window, unless the bus is getting crowded, but those are usually the last few seats to get doubled up. I do recall seeing a lot of Orion VII OG/NG Hybrids from the city wrapped with window wraps(only one window is covered up; it's connected to the main ad on the side panels under the windows). So I'm sure they're interchangeable, but they best work on those buses. Express buses should only have side ads for under the windows. The local buses should have them on the sides under the windows, a banner ad for the space over the windows, and the rear panel ad. However, with the new scheme, buses are becoming ad-less on the outside (which I agree on). There should be ads all over the insides similar to how the subway cars are set up(across the top) and that's it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk They're also stopping because people are complaining about them officially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 8, 2017 Share #7 Posted June 8, 2017 But I'm sure they bring more money in. But on that, with a 7 million daily ridership, why is it that NYCTA advertising revenue isn't higher? I might be comparing two different mediums, but if TV networks/shows are profitable getting 3.5 million people to watch the show and commercials - despite changing channels, why can't transit do better in this area when it has a captive audience? Location, location, location. I want my ads to be seen, but I don't want them to be subconsciously associated with Dr. Zizmor. MTA and its ad subcontractor (since I don't think they actually run ads by themselves?) have been very slow to migrating to all-corporate ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennyj17 Posted June 8, 2017 Share #8 Posted June 8, 2017 Speaking of Ads looks like Front End Ads are going out with the RTS ... No Xcelsiors or LFS's are carrying front Ads.... Only JG puts Front ad on their C40s ... CP SC and WF do not. ECH seems to have stopped being bothered w/Front Ads, its the only depot still sporting Old Fox 5 ads while the rest of the fleet is back on VIM ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 8, 2017 Share #9 Posted June 8, 2017 The ads should be where they've always been. There's plenty of room for them on the sides of the bus and in the front and back, but NOT on the windows. The also don't seem to place ads in the buses anymore, or if they do, it's the same ads placed through the entire bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted June 8, 2017 But I'm sure they bring more money in. But on that, with a 7 million daily ridership, why is it that NYCTA advertising revenue isn't higher? I might be comparing two different mediums, but if TV networks/shows are profitable getting 3.5 million people to watch the show and commercials - despite changing channels, why can't transit do better in this area when it has a captive audience? ..... Especially in New York City. I just feel that the needs to do better with advertising with the outer boroughs like Manhattan where you would see the actual ad matching with the roof ad and the 30x215, 30x240 and 30x240 super king. It's rare that you see an 30x240, 30x240 super king or 30x215 ads on buses on a consistent basis in the outer boroughs but more in Manhattan. Just guessing it has to do with location to where the services are being marketed to and bus maintenance when getting rid of the ad after it's 3-6 months use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 10, 2017 Share #11 Posted June 10, 2017 Speaking of Ads looks like Front End Ads are going out with the RTS ... No Xcelsiors or LFS's are carrying front Ads.... Only JG puts Front ad on their C40s ... CP SC and WF do not. ECH seems to have stopped being bothered w/Front Ads, its the only depot still sporting Old Fox 5 ads while the rest of the fleet is back on VIM ads. ENY did front ads on Xcelsiors for a while, can definitely be done. JG's newer C40s can have front ads, but none of WF's C40s nor the older C40s can--the license plate gets in the way. As for CP and SC, probably just the MTAB tradition of no front ads. Still got the O7s to wear them for ages, and MTAB just started installing them at JFK and LGA fairly recently. ECH has always been the odd one out with ads, often runs buses naked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 10, 2017 Share #12 Posted June 10, 2017 ENY did front ads on Xcelsiors for a while, can definitely be done. JG's newer C40s can have front ads, but none of WF's C40s nor the older C40s can--the license plate gets in the way. As for CP and SC, probably just the MTAB tradition of no front ads. Still got the O7s to wear them for ages, and MTAB just started installing them at JFK and LGA fairly recently. ECH has always been the odd one out with ads, often runs buses naked. Sounds like a description of some nude beach in Europe somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 11, 2017 Share #13 Posted June 11, 2017 ENY did front ads on Xcelsiors for a while, can definitely be done. JG's newer C40s can have front ads, but none of WF's C40s nor the older C40s can--the license plate gets in the way. As for CP and SC, probably just the MTAB tradition of no front ads. Still got the O7s to wear them for ages, and MTAB just started installing them at JFK and LGA fairly recently. ECH has always been the odd one out with ads, often runs buses naked.Them license plates never stopped Gleason lol. There was one bus (I think it was 245) that they put a front ad on, and just (crudely) cut around the license plate. Looked ultra tacky to me Sent from my SM-G928T using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 11, 2017 Share #14 Posted June 11, 2017 Them license plates never stopped Gleason lol. There was one bus (I think it was 245) that they put a front ad on, and just (crudely) cut around the license plate. Looked ultra tacky to me Sent from my SM-G928T using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Lmao, I think I remember seeing that actually. At least they never pulled that on the original C40s. Also forgot in the first post, SC's C40s are the older version with the center-ish plates, so those also can't (shouldn't) have ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 11, 2017 Share #15 Posted June 11, 2017 ENY did front ads on Xcelsiors for a while, can definitely be done. JG's newer C40s can have front ads, but none of WF's C40s nor the older C40s can--the license plate gets in the way. As for CP and SC, probably just the MTAB tradition of no front ads. Still got the O7s to wear them for ages, and MTAB just started installing them at JFK and LGA fairly recently. ECH has always been the odd one out with ads, often runs buses naked. I think because of the nose of the Xcelsior, those ads have had a hard time trying to stay on it. I've seen those ads slowly peel off of the front when I would see them on the Q24. They also looked tacky. Makes me glad they don't use them on the front of those buses anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted June 11, 2017 Author Share #16 Posted June 11, 2017 I think because of the nose of the Xcelsior, those ads have had a hard time trying to stay on it. I've seen those ads slowly peel off of the front when I would see them on the Q24. They also looked tacky. Makes me glad they don't use them on the front of those buses anymore. Same thing with Flatbush, Fresh Pond and Ulmer Park. Those depots eliminated the front ads on their XD40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share #17 Posted June 26, 2017 Spotted a driver side window wrap on an MJQ local bus earlier today on Broadway in Midtown. Apparently it's for summer campaign for Haggen Das Ice Cream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 26, 2017 Share #18 Posted June 26, 2017 Yeah, and for the first time O7 OGs are getting full driver side wraps. Bigger than the NGs ever got, includes multiple windows on the side. Windows (framed) look horrible. Terrible call on the MTA's part, can't possibly be worth the meagre increase in revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted June 26, 2017 Share #19 Posted June 26, 2017 Yeah, and for the first time O7 OGs are getting full driver side wraps. Bigger than the NGs ever got, includes multiple windows on the side. Windows (framed) look horrible. Terrible call on the MTA's part, can't possibly be worth the meagre increase in revenue. It's probably to cover up how slow the bus is going. [emoji13] Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share #20 Posted June 27, 2017 Yeah, and for the first time O7 OGs are getting full driver side wraps. Bigger than the NGs ever got, includes multiple windows on the side. Windows (framed) look horrible. Terrible call on the MTA's part, can't possibly be worth the meagre increase in revenue. I think this would only be for Manhattan, and would not expand citywide on depending how this go. However, I do agree with you on this. The MJQ bus that I saw on was 67xx series tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share #21 Posted July 26, 2017 Yeah, and for the first time O7 OGs are getting full driver side wraps. Bigger than the NGs ever got, includes multiple windows on the side. Windows (framed) look horrible. Terrible call on the MTA's part, can't possibly be worth the meagre increase in revenue. Seen NG 3807 MJQ with a full side wrap on the driver side earlier this evening on the M50. Could only guess that this will eventually spread throughout the Manhattan Division soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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