Melvin Posted January 28, 2010 Share #351 Posted January 28, 2010 I nominate YOU as RCI of the year! Ok RCI What does RCI stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 28, 2010 Share #352 Posted January 28, 2010 What does RCI stand for? Road Car Inspector They are being sarcastic, because this thread has been cluttered with amateur car equipment diagnoses by railfans from the start and all attempts to correct misinformation have been followed by more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melvin Posted January 28, 2010 Share #353 Posted January 28, 2010 Thanks for definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 28, 2010 Share #354 Posted January 28, 2010 So you made your judgment after someone gave a possibility of a problem with the R44 (which has nothing to do with ride quality), thereby affecting your judgment of the car itself. You would not have noticed these "problems" with the ride quality before people started shit talking them because they don't exist. I have been riding the R46s regularly for almost four years and I have started riding R44s regularly as well for the past couple of months. Their ride quality is almost, if not exactly the same. The problem was inspection for cracks in the car's undercarriage, causing them to twist as they ride, if I'm not mistaken. I didn't get on the car looking for car body twist. I was looking for ride quality due to their 40th year being next year. If twisting could be seen--EMERGENCY! I am assuming that structural integrity can be felt, though. The ride from 34th street-Penn Station to W 4th Street looked (very low lighting--are they trying to set a mood?) and felt (it was almost like there were no shocks) like crap, car body or not. Everything that the shocks, or wheels, or trucks can convey to me has to go through the frame first, in order for me to feel anything. So instead of saying ride quality, I'll now say that my R44 ride experience has never been as good as...any other car's, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 28, 2010 Share #355 Posted January 28, 2010 The problem was inspection for cracks in the car's undercarriage, causing them to twist as they ride, if I'm not mistaken. The problem has to do with the car's frame, which is different from, and more extensive than its undercarriage. I didn't get on the car looking for car body twist. I was looking for ride quality due to their 40th year being next year. If twisting could be seen--EMERGENCY! I am assuming that structural integrity can be felt, though. Twisting would be neither seen nor felt unless precise measuring instruments were used. Any changes in ride quality would be 100% imperceptible. Structural integrity has nothing to do with ride quality. Likewise, a poor quality ride does not indicate a structural problem. It could indicate a number of things. The ride from 34th street-Penn Station to W 4th Street looked (very low lighting--are they trying to set a mood?) and felt (it was almost like there were no shocks) like crap, car body or not. OK well that's your opinion then, but it doesn't mean anything more than that it's just your opinion. Everything that the shocks, or wheels, or trucks can convey to me has to go through the frame first, in order for me to feel anything. Oy, without getting into subway car suspension at all, let's just simplify it to this: If I take an automobile, pop its tire, and drive down the highway fast on three tires and a rim, the ride quality isn't going to be very good either...and all of that vibration is going to go through the frame too on its way to me, but it doesn't mean the frame is the problem... The frame of the car sits on the suspension, and the suspension is what does the moving around when a car is moving. All those little side to side movements, the vibrations...all of that is related to the car's suspension, coupler slack, center casting (where the car rests on its truck), and the condition of the track NOT it's frame. So instead of saying ride quality, I'll now say that my R44 ride experience has never been as good as...any other car's, for that matter. OK so again that's your opinion which you're entitled to, you don't like the car fine, but I'm telling you it has nothing to do with the frame. Had no one posted anything most of the railfans here wouldn't even realize there was a problem with the R44's that was being studied because the cars would look and ride exactly the same as a few weeks ago before this was "hot news"...stick around in this hobby long enough and you will see why I say things like that...heck a couple months ago people were posting about how they liked the R44's because they had a "railroad like smooth ride" so what gives? Just them reacting to a little new information the way they can be expected to...so now you know and you can be better than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 28, 2010 Share #356 Posted January 28, 2010 I never liked R44's. LOL I'll just stick to what I know from experience, now. I'm no mechanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmouse Posted January 28, 2010 Share #357 Posted January 28, 2010 RoadCar Inspector They are being sarcastic, because this thread has been cluttered with amateur car equipment diagnoses by railfans from the start and all attempts to correct misinformation have been followed by more of the same. I don't know alot about tracton motors it was an C/R my friend knows who told me that unusual high-pitched whirring was because the were worn out... Incorrect then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 28, 2010 Share #358 Posted January 28, 2010 This is literally one of the best threads here.I find it hard to believe that even the buffest of railfans still cant tell the difference between the R44 and 46.What I like as well about the R44 is the Glass partitions near the doors which to me gives it class and a sense of security to anyone sitting in that seat.The R46 doesn`t have it.Like can you tell the difference between a ford taurus and a Mercury sable? or a phillips tv and a magnavox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 28, 2010 Share #359 Posted January 28, 2010 I don't know alot about tracton motors it was an C/R my friend knows who told me that unusual high-pitched whirring was because the were worn out...Incorrect then? Incorrect.Like subway guy stated,the whirring noise is caused by a metallurgical quirk in the motor gears.In other words its harmless in nature,but its also one of those things that are overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmouse Posted January 28, 2010 Share #360 Posted January 28, 2010 Incorrect.Like subway guy stated,the whirring noise is caused by a metallurgical quirk in the motor gears.In other words its harmless in nature,but its also one of those things that are overlooked. Ok thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 28, 2010 Share #361 Posted January 28, 2010 Ok thanks.No prob Bob!:tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted January 28, 2010 Share #362 Posted January 28, 2010 This is literally one of the best threads here.I find it hard to believe that even the buffest of railfans still cant tell the difference between the R44 and 46.What I like as well about the R44 is the Glass partitions near the doors which to me gives it class and a sense of security to anyone sitting in that seat.The R46 doesn`t have it.Like can you tell the difference between a ford taurus and a Mercury sable? or a phillips tv and a magnavox? don't forget the glaring difference between an R44 and R46 - The R46 lacks the covered up blue stripe on the side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted January 28, 2010 Share #363 Posted January 28, 2010 The R44s are cool, but I'm sad to see them retire early if this is the case. I was hoping to see those on the too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 28, 2010 Share #364 Posted January 28, 2010 don't forget the glaring difference between an R44 and R46 - The R46 lacks the covered up blue stripe on the side LOL for all of that they should have kept the blue strip.Carbon steel is a no-no.:tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted January 28, 2010 Share #365 Posted January 28, 2010 Incorrect.Like subway guy stated,the whirring noise is caused by a metallurgical quirk in the motor gears.In other words its harmless in nature,but its also one of those things that are overlooked. Yes that's correct. In a DC subway motor like that on the R44's, should parts become "worn out" it would typically be in the area of the brushes or the commutator itself (although there are other areas of the motor that can become worn out). Should serious wear occur in that area and go unchecked, it could result in flashover of the motor in which case you'd see big electrical arcs coming from the motor...let it go long enough and the motor would straight up blow out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 29, 2010 Share #366 Posted January 29, 2010 The problem has to do with the car's frame, which is different from, and more extensive than its undercarriage. Twisting would be neither seen nor felt unless precise measuring instruments were used. Any changes in ride quality would be 100% imperceptible. Structural integrity has nothing to do with ride quality. Likewise, a poor quality ride does not indicate a structural problem. It could indicate a number of things. OK well that's your opinion then, but it doesn't mean anything more than that it's just your opinion. Oy, without getting into subway car suspension at all, let's just simplify it to this: If I take an automobile, pop its tire, and drive down the highway fast on three tires and a rim, the ride quality isn't going to be very good either...and all of that vibration is going to go through the frame too on its way to me, but it doesn't mean the frame is the problem... The frame of the car sits on the suspension, and the suspension is what does the moving around when a car is moving. All those little side to side movements, the vibrations...all of that is related to the car's suspension, coupler slack, center casting (where the car rests on its truck), and the condition of the track NOT it's frame. OK so again that's your opinion which you're entitled to, you don't like the car fine, but I'm telling you it has nothing to do with the frame. Had no one posted anything most of the railfans here wouldn't even realize there was a problem with the R44's that was being studied because the cars would look and ride exactly the same as a few weeks ago before this was "hot news"...stick around in this hobby long enough and you will see why I say things like that...heck a couple months ago people were posting about how they liked the R44's because they had a "railroad like smooth ride" so what gives? Just them reacting to a little new information the way they can be expected to...so now you know and you can be better than that I like you!!! You have facts!!! and use them!!!! i love how people are forgeting that supension AND track conditions (as you stated) is the 2 top factors of ride quality. where i live, track conditions change like night and day. Broad Channel flats-kinda rocky. hammels wye to 73rd st-kinda rocky. 73st to B67/Gaston-smooth as silk! No matter what kind of train car! why? Track! the 44s and 46s while riding on new track with concrete ties are both smooth rides! cracked frame or not! And i too remember the praises people were giving the 44s not too long ago who now jump on the 44s-are-crap bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted January 29, 2010 Share #367 Posted January 29, 2010 This is literally one of the best threads here.I find it hard to believe that even the buffest of railfans still cant tell the difference between the R44 and 46.What I like as well about the R44 is the Glass partitions near the doors which to me gives it class and a sense of security to anyone sitting in that seat.The R46 doesn`t have it.Like can you tell the difference between a ford taurus and a Mercury sable? or a phillips tv and a magnavox? The point is that people are treating the R44 as if it's 90% different from the R46. It's the exact opposite. Aside from a little glass, some extra paint around the carbody among other minor things the cars are basically the same (and I'm not even saying they're exactly the same. I hope that all of you can see that they look and ride almost the same). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted January 29, 2010 Share #368 Posted January 29, 2010 I like you!!! You have facts!!! and use them!!!!i love how people are forgeting that supension AND track conditions (as you stated) is the 2 top factors of ride quality. where i live, track conditions change like night and day. Broad Channel flats-kinda rocky. hammels wye to 73rd st-kinda rocky. 73st to B67/Gaston-smooth as silk! No matter what kind of train car! why? Track! the 44s and 46s while riding on new track with concrete ties are both smooth rides! cracked frame or not! And i too remember the praises people were giving the 44s not too long ago who now jump on the 44s-are-crap bandwagon. That's why foaming is simply sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 29, 2010 Share #369 Posted January 29, 2010 That's why foaming is simply sad... Agreed. Being passionate, energetic, enthusiastic, and even emotional is one thing. I can understand someone being sad of the possibility of losing the 44s or the joy of getting rid of them. But to flip-flop just because there was news of a possible problem? Foam! like a raccoon with rabies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted January 29, 2010 Share #370 Posted January 29, 2010 LOL for all of that they should have kept the blue strip.Carbon steel is a no-no.:tdown: Totally agree. I already don't like the look of both the 44s and 46s without the blue stripe, but since they still have to paint the former stripe area on the 44s anyway, they might as well paint it blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 29, 2010 Share #371 Posted January 29, 2010 Agreed. Being passionate, energetic, enthusiastic, and even emotional is one thing. I can understand someone being sad of the possibility of losing the 44s or the joy of getting rid of them. But to flip-flop just because there was news of a possible problem? Foam! like a raccoon with rabies! Lol! Speaking of which, I saw a raccoon some time ago near the 179th Street train station (outside of course). They were running off the street. Looks like they finished up some rail foamer extermination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 29, 2010 Share #372 Posted January 29, 2010 Lol! Speaking of which, I saw a raccoon some time ago near the 179th Street train station (outside of course). They were running off the street. Looks like they finished up some rail foamer extermination! LMAO I also seen one out here in Stamford just 2 days ago,although they are a common sight,just seeing them run across busy streets is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted January 29, 2010 Share #373 Posted January 29, 2010 Totally agree. I already don't like the look of both the 44s and 46s without the blue stripe, but since they still have to paint the former stripe area on the 44s anyway, they might as well paint it blue. What they should do is place the ads in that space, like they did on the 62's. The blue Monroe ad made it look like the old design with the blue stripe. Instead, for the 44's, they came up with some ad covering the window, which has been long dropped by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 29, 2010 Share #374 Posted January 29, 2010 LMAO I also seen one out here in Stamford just 2 days ago,although they are a common sight,just seeing them run across busy streets is funny. LOL not to keep off the topic, but when i saw my first raccoon here in Rockaway i thought it was a dog at first! i grew up n the Bronx. i never saw one until rockaway. My PJs hav them, ive even seen one on the platform at Broad Channel! Now back on the topic, i too beleive they shouldve kept the blue stripe. It was part of the MTA's "corporate look". i could understand the reasoning behind the red on the 142s (they did replace the Redbirds). but with color seeming to be making a comeback on the MTAs rail equipment (i.e. the M8s) i say the net fleet of cars should have some blue in it. If anything, to pay tribute to the cars (44s) they will most likely replace. Hopefully the 44s will be around when that time comes. We shall see when the final verdict is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted January 29, 2010 Share #375 Posted January 29, 2010 And i too remember the praises people were giving the 44s not too long ago who now jump on the 44s-are-crap bandwagon. I know! Stick to one opinion, and DO NOT start foaming at the mouth and changing your mind about them just because they have problems. That's why foaming is simply sad... I have one thing to say Rail foamers are the 37.4 Gallon ones Agreed. Being passionate, energetic, enthusiastic, and even emotional is one thing. I can understand someone being sad of the possibility of losing the 44s or the joy of getting rid of them. But to flip-flop just because there was news of a possible problem? Foam! like a raccoon with rabies! Remember, it is not good to always change your mind. Stick to one side. and... Don't tell a foamer they're wrong. They'll look like this ________________________________________________________________________________ I wasn on the to Rockaway Park riding an R44. I don't know what everyone's complaining about. It was a nice ride, and it did not feel like the train would fall apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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