LRG Posted January 27, 2010 Share #76 Posted January 27, 2010 Just ride the express buses when all the Low-Floors dominate the city. Um, not everyone has the money to do that. Besides, a bus is a bus, be it high-floor or low-floor, express or local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bx41 Wakefield Posted January 27, 2010 Share #77 Posted January 27, 2010 The contract part of the 260 bus order (last New Flyer D60HF artic order) states to build high floor. New Flyer agrees with the option order of the 260 bus main order. Suddenly, New Flyer back out of the high floor production and tries to "persuade" MTA to order low floor when New Flyer factories is already in low floors and didnt have room nor space to build high floors for MTA. The could have been 2004-2005 New Flyer D60HF buses would be numbered as 5770-5834 (65 buses), with the same spec as 5560-5769. MTA still is angry towards New Flyer unless it can make it up for this upcoming CNG order. Thank you for explaining that issue. I had only hear bits and pieces of that story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted January 28, 2010 Share #78 Posted January 28, 2010 I hope that the and New Flyer can settle their differences and work together again. They made some great buses for us and I'd love to see what else New Flyer can do for NYC. ugh, they didnt made a good bus in the 1999-2000 NF D60HF order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 28, 2010 Share #79 Posted January 28, 2010 Ramps > lifts. An RTS I was on had to restart 3 times for the lift to work. Another time a bus had to be taken out of service because the lift was stuck in the up position. Tell that to FG with his 50 Cent mentality. Since he hates the hybrids, everyone should detest them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted January 28, 2010 Share #80 Posted January 28, 2010 ugh, they didnt made a good bus in the 1999-2000 NF D60HF order. What was up with that particular bunch of buses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty24 Posted January 28, 2010 Share #81 Posted January 28, 2010 Just so you guys know...such an animal does exist. Orion built two Orion V hybrids in 2003/2004 using GM Allison technology, one of which operators for FAX in Fresno, CA and the other which is sitting at the Mississauga facility and still undergoes testing. And for the sake of discussion...the Orion V wasn't necessarily "discontinued". It may not be advertised anymore on the website, but the jigs for production are still stored at the Mississauga facility and if a decent order came along (not talking like 100+, even 20 is what I've heard and they would produce an order) it would be easy to put it back into production. It was really just a matter of plant space that they had - it's no doubt that the VII NG is the best seller and they needed the plant space to keep a constant pace of production. It's also the reason the last orders (for Westchester and Sonoma County) were so slow and late - by October 2008 the only had a single production line for the Orion V, all the other jigs for the other lines they had were taken down and put into storage. Great Information:):tup::tup::tup::tup::tup:..I would love to see new Orion V CNG's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted January 29, 2010 Share #82 Posted January 29, 2010 What was up with that particular bunch of buses? the build and ride quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 29, 2010 Share #83 Posted January 29, 2010 This post made my day! The Orion V still lives! Thank you for this information sir!Long live the Orion 5!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bx41 Wakefield Posted January 29, 2010 Share #84 Posted January 29, 2010 Long live the Orion 5!!! Hell Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted January 30, 2010 Share #85 Posted January 30, 2010 Long live the Orion 5!!! There RUSTED, leaking ceiling crying buses. They didnt even make it to 17 years old on most of the 1993 buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 30, 2010 Share #86 Posted January 30, 2010 Exactly. RTSs >>> O5s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted January 30, 2010 Share #87 Posted January 30, 2010 IMO: NovaBus Artic>D60 Artic Designline>Orion 07 NG>Orion 5>RTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 30, 2010 Share #88 Posted January 30, 2010 RTS > O7 NG > O5 Imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted January 30, 2010 Share #89 Posted January 30, 2010 There RUSTED, leaking ceiling crying buses. They didnt even make it to 17 years old on most of the 1993 buses. A bus is expected to have a minimum service life of 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted January 31, 2010 Share #90 Posted January 31, 2010 A bus is expected to have a minimum service life of 12 years. Bullcrap, thats the feds rule in which the transit authorities across the US use federal funds to purchase buses. MTA doesnt even retire the fleet at 12 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaimlerBuses Posted January 31, 2010 Share #91 Posted January 31, 2010 Bullcrap, thats the feds rule in which the transit authorities across the US use federal funds to purchase buses. MTA doesnt even retire the fleet at 12 years old. No, he's right - when buses are purchased using funding they are expected to be in service for the duration of their minimum design life - which in the case of the Orion V is 12 years. If the MTA decides to keep the fleet running for more than 12 years then that's their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted January 31, 2010 Share #92 Posted January 31, 2010 No, he's right - when buses are purchased using funding they are expected to be in service for the duration of their minimum design life - which in the case of the Orion V is 12 years. If the MTA decides to keep the fleet running for more than 12 years then that's their decision. Im not saying you are wrong, but most transit agencies have buses beyond 12 years or 500,000 miles; they dont really follow the Federal guidelines minimum requirement of replacements. Medium to heavy duty buses should last 12 years and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted January 31, 2010 Share #93 Posted January 31, 2010 So he's not wrong but I am, even though we said the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaimlerBuses Posted February 1, 2010 Share #94 Posted February 1, 2010 Im not saying you are wrong, but most transit agencies have buses beyond 12 years or 500,000 miles; they dont really follow the Federal guidelines minimum requirement of replacements. Medium to heavy duty buses should last 12 years and beyond. Again, if an agency keeps a bus operating for more than 12 years or whatever the FTA designated lifespan is, that's their choice. So he's not wrong but I am, even though we said the same thing... I can assure you what you said is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted February 1, 2010 Share #95 Posted February 1, 2010 Again, if an agency keeps a bus operating for more than 12 years or whatever the FTA designated lifespan is, that's their choice. Gee, you probably misread the post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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