Subcarfan Posted March 12, 2011 Share #1 Posted March 12, 2011 So, I'm new to this, but seriously interested in all of it. I want to start learning, and i want to start with the C. Someone have answers? Thx! -What exactly makes it so hard to replace the C trains with newer cars? and -When are they going to do this? Any Ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted March 12, 2011 Share #2 Posted March 12, 2011 So, I'm new to this, but seriously interested in all of it. I want to start learning, and i want to start with the C. Someone have answers? Thx! -What exactly makes it so hard to replace the C trains with newer cars? and -When are they going to do this? Any Ideas? 1. They have no new cars available. All are taken on other lines. 2. They are EITHER going to do this ~2014, when the next car order comes in, or in ~2030, when the last old cars retire (but by then, now-new cars will be old again). It depends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subcarfan Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted March 12, 2011 okay. ive been seeing posts that refer to different lengths of cars and some trains having different number of cars in each train. for some reason it seems that the C would be a hard train to replace because of car sizes. is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted March 12, 2011 Share #4 Posted March 12, 2011 the cars that are on the C now are just as long as the newer trains (60 feet). what you probably read is the fact that the C trains are only 8 cars long instead of the usual 10. the C line is capable of running full length 10 car trains. in theory they can replace the cars on the C whenever they wanted to as there are no restrictions unlike some other routes. i believe the reason why the C and A gets old cars is the fact that it is convienent to the train yard at 207th street in manhattan, where the old trains go to die basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subcarfan Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share #5 Posted March 12, 2011 Thanks to both of you. thats helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted March 12, 2011 Share #6 Posted March 12, 2011 I don't think size is a factor. The BMT/IND uses two sizes: 60 feet (R32 Brightliner, R42, and R160) and 75 feet (R46, and R68). The has been eight sixty foot cars (for a long time) but it could be six-seventy-five foot cars. The lines that are affected by size are the (J)/(Z) L due to platform length and clearences. These lines can run only sixty foot cars and historically have run the R27 R30s, R42s, R143s and R160s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted March 12, 2011 Share #7 Posted March 12, 2011 Welcome aboard to NYCTF, (S)ub©ar(F)an! the might get R46 in the future (in 2015 when the R32's retire). But Still Im not sure. Isn't there another thread about this? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman1455 Posted March 12, 2011 Share #8 Posted March 12, 2011 Welcome aboard to NYCTF, (S)ub©ar(F)an! the might get R46 in the future (in 2015 when the R32's retire). But Still Im not sure. Isn't there another thread about this? :confused: It could but we just have to wait and see.. And why are you always using that confuesd face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted March 12, 2011 Share #9 Posted March 12, 2011 There are: R32s to the and R68s to the . Welcome aboard to NYCTF, (S)ub©ar(F)an! the might get R46 in the future (in 2015 when the R32's retire). But Still Im not sure. Isn't there another thread about this? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted March 12, 2011 Share #10 Posted March 12, 2011 @4P3607: Cut him some slack, he's new. To chime in on the question, the is a completely underground line, thus less susceptible to the elements of nature the R32s would receive on another line, like the (, or (J)/(Z). But that's just my personal opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thAveExpress Posted March 12, 2011 Share #11 Posted March 12, 2011 ...I don't think size is a factor... I wish my girlfriend had the same thought process as you :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 12, 2011 Share #12 Posted March 12, 2011 R32s have stainless steel bodies and wouldn't be affected by the weather as much. But as covered by everyone: there's no where else to put the R32s [unless it was to be the ( and based from CI yard]. So be default it is the . The has two branches and needs the R46s for their electronic signs. The runs 8-car trains [shorter trains but more frequency]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted March 12, 2011 Share #13 Posted March 12, 2011 Welcome to the forums, Subcarfan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 12, 2011 Share #14 Posted March 12, 2011 Why does the C only run 8 car trains and not 10 cars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted March 12, 2011 Share #15 Posted March 12, 2011 It has been explained already. There aren't enough R32's to make 10 car trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadway Local Posted March 12, 2011 Share #16 Posted March 12, 2011 Welcome to NYC Transit Forums, Subcarfan! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 12, 2011 Share #17 Posted March 12, 2011 But they had more than enough R32s before they scrapped most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 12, 2011 Share #18 Posted March 12, 2011 Middays the Fulton local stations are like ghost towns. 8-car trains are more than enough. Plus it's either longer trains and less of them or what they have now. No sense in running max car lengths if they aren't needed. Sure there are more than enough R32s, but they are old and if they don't need all 10 at a time, then there's no need to waste resources to run them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted March 13, 2011 Share #19 Posted March 13, 2011 Welcome aboard to NYCTF, (S)ub©ar(F)an! the might get R46 in the future (in 2015 when the R32's retire). But Still Im not sure. Isn't there another thread about this? :confused: Uh no, The R32s will be retired and replaced by the R179 order in less then few years. The R46 cars will be replacing in 2015 by the upcoming R211 order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 13, 2011 Share #20 Posted March 13, 2011 He just posts just for the sake of posting. I'll leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 13, 2011 Share #21 Posted March 13, 2011 The R46s are going to be around long after 2015. The MTA regularly exceeds their scheduled retirement dates sometimes by as much as 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted March 13, 2011 Share #22 Posted March 13, 2011 He just posts just for the sake of posting. I'll leave it at that. no, I don't. :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted March 13, 2011 Share #23 Posted March 13, 2011 But they had more than enough R32s before they scrapped most of them. They retired the Phase II's because NYCT did not want to spend the money to SMS them and have already retired/stored maybe about 50 Phase I's for poor performance. Also the Phase II's had NY Air Brake brake valves, which were very high maintance and trouble prone. These were replaced on the R68's. As far as I'm concerned, NYCT should retire the rest of the R32's NOW. But they can't due to no replacements. They suck. I'm working at 168 right now and in the past week or so in the station or relay track: brake pipe rupture, stuck brakes, defective controller, train failed to charge until we charged it up from the "wrong end" then it charged from the correct end, door problems en-route, slow trains, loss of t/o indication upon relaying the train, and much more I can't remember right now. This does not happen elsewhere as often. We get far too many calls to "shop upon arrival" than at other terminals. But on these kind of boards, there is a love affair with these things only because of the RFW. They are 47 year old cars and should be taken out of their misery, and mine.......................IMMEDIATELY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 13, 2011 Share #24 Posted March 13, 2011 no, I don't. :mad: If you aren't sure of something, then don't say it. the might get R46 in the future (in 2015 when the R32's retire). But Still Im not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted March 13, 2011 Share #25 Posted March 13, 2011 "But on these kind of boards, there is a love affair with these things only because of the RFW. They are 47 year old cars and should be taken out of their misery, and mine.......................IMMEDIATELY!" Oh don't worry. I hate them just as much as you do if not more. Their brakes hurt my ears and I have super sensitive hearing so it hurts me more than the average person. I think they have the loudest brakes of ay train currently in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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