SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

[Lawrence St]

Wait, the R42's had cabs in the B ends of the car?

[darkstar8983]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

Wait, the R42's had cabs in the B ends of the car?

yes. the conductors were only able to open/close doors from the B ends of the R40S, R40M and R42 cars, which is why ENY equipment had to have the conductors at a 5-3 configuration, and why 8-car R40/R40M and R42s could not properly run on the  in 2008.

[Jemorie]

3 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

yes. the conductors were only able to open/close doors from the B ends of the R40S, R40M and R42 cars, which is why ENY equipment had to have the conductors at a 5-3 configuration, and why 8-car R40/R40M and R42s could not properly run on the  in 2008.

Did the R40 and R42 fleets had seats at the B ends or just C/R controls?

I heard part of the reason why the  summer car swap permanently discontinued was because the R32s had no seats at the B ends for the C/Rs so they were forced to stand for over 2 hours especially if the train was scraping the walls overnight.

The whole concept in general with the former 60 foot SMEE fleets is just weird.

[Calvin]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwBP3-PAj5O/?img_index=4

Post about people who subway surfed called it quits and giving up. A dangerous activity when riding the subway. 

[Chris89292]

13 minutes ago, Calvin said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CwBP3-PAj5O/?img_index=4

Post about people who subway surfed called it quits and giving up. A dangerous activity when riding the subway. 

That won’t seem to stop the other cringe Fortnite kids riding on top of trains 

[trainfan22]

Today I rode in both the pilot R142 set and the pilot R160 set, back to back. Rode in 6306 - 6310 on the and then 8713 - 8717 on the .

 

 

[RandomRider0101]

Moving this over from the R211 thread

1 hour ago, Ale188 said:

What are you, my ELA teacher? We can say whatever we wanna say here. You ain’t the boss of us. Plus how is this NYC if we’re on the web. Screens. Technology. You sound stupid. Sure, the website is called ‘New York City Transit Forums’, but here, we don’t only talk about New York City Transit, you see. Sometimes, you really need to myob. So, I’d rather you stay away from certain conversations. Next!

You can speak whatever slang you want to speak. The point I was making is that you should know how to speak in proper English grammar as well as having better comprehension skills.

The problem with you in particular is your comprehension skills which are clearly lacking. You do not present yourself well on this site & you should seek help immediately.

Edited August 17, 2023 by RandomRider0101
Typo & revised edit

[darkstar8983]

2 hours ago, Jemorie said:

Did the R40 and R42 fleets had seats at the B ends or just C/R controls?

I heard part of the reason why the  summer car swap permanently discontinued was because the R32s had no seats at the B ends for the C/Rs so they were forced to stand for over 2 hours especially if the train was scraping the walls overnight.

The whole concept in general with the former 60 foot SMEE fleets is just weird.

And on top of that, switching equipment between the  and  required many more R32s to be in service (10-car trains vs 8-car trains) and R42s also needed to be moved to  service, putting a crunch on ENY to use it’s R160s on the .

it was 176 R46s moved from the  to the , and 220 R32s from the  to the , supplemented with 30 R42s moved from the  to the . 
 

that is why starting in 2013, the swap was then 96 R32s from the for 96 R160As from the , and then a smaller R32 for R46 switch between the  and . 

Edited August 18, 2023 by darkstar8983

[R32 3838]

4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

And on top of that, switching equipment between the  and  required many more R32s to be in service (10-car trains vs 8-car trains) and R42s also needed to be moved to  service, putting a crunch on ENY to use it’s R160s on the .

it was 176 R46s moved from the  to the , and 220 R32s from the  to the , supplemented with 30 R42s moved from the  to the . 
 

that is why starting in 2013, the swap was then 96 R32s from the for 96 R160As from the , and then a smaller R32 for R46 switch between the  and . 

They also had to borrow 2-3 sets of R46s from Jamaica. One of the biggest reasons why they did the and swap was because it was set for set with no additional trains needed since both are 8 car lines. Plus this benefited both lines as the / had a larger spare factor of R42s and R160s and later on R143s while the had R160s which required a lower spare factor on top of the R32 spares.

[darkstar8983]

5 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

They also had to borrow 2-3 sets of R46s from Jamaica. One of the biggest reasons why they did the and swap was because it was set for set with no additional trains needed since both are 8 car lines. Plus this benefited both lines as the / had a larger spare factor of R42s and R160s and later on R143s while the had R160s which required a lower spare factor on top of the R32 spares.

Oh I had forgotten about the R46 loan, but yes an advantage was that it was a 1 for 1 switch and the R32s mainly ran on above-ground routes, giving their ACs a rest from the enclosed tunnels. If I recall, the R32s ran well on the  (I could be wrong). But the R160s loaned to the , at least they held up better than the R32s on the  (eventually switched over to the  for R46s, so the  was R46/R160 (and a couple of R32s, while the  had R32s and R46s)

[Calvin]

Back then, when the Jamaica Yard,  had its fleet of R46 and R160 trains compared to the  , Coney Island Yard consist of R160s, R68/As, where both of these yards have a good number of spares? Reason asked is because I've noticed that with this swap that was completed, 5- car R160s at Jamaica with the  moved back to its said yard (CBTC on Queens Blvd) and Coney Island with R46s, R68/As, there's a shortage because of breakdowns of their trains at Coney Island. Although, there wasn't much talk of both yards having good amount of trains before the trade occurred in December 2019.   

Edited August 18, 2023 by Calvin

[Lawrence St]

58 minutes ago, Calvin said:

Back then, when the Jamaica Yard,  had its fleet of R46 and R160 trains compared to the  , Coney Island Yard consist of R160s, R68/As, where both of these yards have a good number of spares? Reason asked is because I've noticed that with this swap that was completed, 5- car R160s at Jamaica with the  moved back to its said yard (CBTC on Queens Blvd) and Coney Island with R46s, R68/As, there's a shortage because of breakdowns of their trains at Coney Island. Although, there wasn't much talk of both yards having good amount of trains before the trade occurred in December 2019.   

When was the last time the R68’s were on the ?

[Calvin]

22 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

When was the last time the R68’s were on the ?

It was 1 and 1/2 years ago (October 2021) when the  still had R68s in-use on the Crosstown line. After the first day of November 2021, the  used R160Bs at Coney Island Yard until then (9853-9942). 

[Calvin]

On the  Flushing, 42 St line: there are 3 R188 trains that's ad-wrapped out of 46 11-car trains total. It's for the U.S Opens in a couple of weeks: 

- Uber Ones: 7396-7400 with 7917 / 7551-7555 and 7431-7440 with 7921 

- One Key and IHG Hotels Resorts: 7351-7355 / 7860-7865

Also, a 5-car set that's at Corona Yard, but not out yet sporting Uber Ones: 7471-7475

Edited August 19, 2023 by Calvin

[darkstar8983]

18 hours ago, Calvin said:

Back then, when the Jamaica Yard,  had its fleet of R46 and R160 trains compared to the  , Coney Island Yard consist of R160s, R68/As, where both of these yards have a good number of spares? Reason asked is because I've noticed that with this swap that was completed, 5- car R160s at Jamaica with the  moved back to its said yard (CBTC on Queens Blvd) and Coney Island with R46s, R68/As, there's a shortage because of breakdowns of their trains at Coney Island. Although, there wasn't much talk of both yards having good amount of trains before the trade occurred in December 2019.   

In 2019, Jamaica had 720 R160s and 396 R46s, while Coney Island had 570 R160s and 200 R68As + 148 R68s.

Assignments were:

 - 260 R160s  (60 spare R160s)

 - 350 R160s + 80 R46s (50 spare R160s + 16 spare R46s)

 - 248 R46s (52 spare R46s)

 - 300 R160s + 24 R68s (20 R160 spares + 24 R68 spares)

 - 210 R160s (40 R160s as spares)

 

Edited August 19, 2023 by darkstar8983

[Lil 57]

10 hours ago, Calvin said:

- Uber Ones: 7396-7400 with 7917 / 7551-7555 and 7431-7440 with 7921 

 

I always find it ironic when a transit company has ads for another mode of transport like Uber or even car ads. My college town has buses fully wrapped advertising a dealership for example. I know that the  gets paid for these ads but it’s funny to think that the ad is indirectly saying, “Don’t take this train, take an Uber instead”.

[darkstar8983]

19 hours ago, Calvin said:

Back then, when the Jamaica Yard,  had its fleet of R46 and R160 trains compared to the  , Coney Island Yard consist of R160s, R68/As, where both of these yards have a good number of spares? Reason asked is because I've noticed that with this swap that was completed, 5- car R160s at Jamaica with the  moved back to its said yard (CBTC on Queens Blvd) and Coney Island with R46s, R68/As, there's a shortage because of breakdowns of their trains at Coney Island. Although, there wasn't much talk of both yards having good amount of trains before the trade occurred in December 2019.   

I forgot to say that part of what contributed to the problems with shortages at each yard are CBTC (Jamaica) and car age (Coney Island).

in 2011, when the  first moved to Coney Island, 60 R160s left Jamaica (8713-8722 / 9143-9192) along with them, and the  got 52 R68s from the  while the  took back those R160s so it could be 100% R160 again with the  since both routes at the time shared Ditmars Blvd as a terminal (not going to provide a lengthy history of what happened in the 2010 service cuts).

 

Those R68s came from the  train pool of cars, so they would switch out as necessary while the  kept the R160s (even though both routes internally had an R68 assigned to them - the  used its assigned R68 more often than the  though). In 2015 more or less, 9183-9192 went back to Jamaica since the  needed fewer R68s to make service due to a rush hour service cut to the Bronx, so an R68 moved from Concourse to Coney Island and 9183-9192 went back to Jamaica. In 2016 when the  train was restored, another R68 left concourse and R160B cars 9183-9222 left Jamaica to provide cars for the . To fill in for the shortage, Pitkin sent back R46s to Jamaica until it had 396 cars (Pitkin leftover with 356 cars)

 

when the swap happened in December 2019, an R68 moved from Concourse to Coney Island and then the swap was a 1:1 switch, leaving Coney Island with a surplus of 1 R68 train from Concourse, all 396 R46s, and 90 R160s (only 490 R160s could be traded for 49 trainsets of R46s). So the  kept the 90 R160B cars (originally 8913-8917/9008-9012, 9023-9102, switched out for 9853-9942) in its service pool with the R68s not needed for service, while the   And had R46s (a couple of R68s here and there too). Mind you that the s spare factor came from whatever cars were not being used on the  and .

 

when the  took the last R160s from the  and transferred back to Jamaica, it took back three extra trains than what it had arrived at Coney Island Yard with, and now that it sounds like Concourse also took back one of its loaned out R68s, Coney Island has been left with a spare crunch where the  and  each only have a spare factor of 4 trains. Jamaicas spares increased since the surplus R160s that the  doesn’t use have been added to the ‘s Avenue X Yard spares and are switched in and out as necessary

 

[Lawrence St]

The shuttle not running the train on track 4 on weekends is another reason why I absolutely despised rebuilding the shuttle in the first place.

[Calvin]

The Roosevelt Island Shuttle is going to have the  letter with destinations only: 21 St-Queensbridge and Lexington Av-63 St. Only 3 stops from the far left when seeing the R160 stop display starting at August 28th. 

And also, today's the day seeing the Metrocard entrances seeing paid: $2.90. Extra 0.15 cents from yesterdays fare. With that to note, this week is the last week for normal Queens Blvd service for the  then to its changes up to 2024. 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Calvin

[Calvin]

This Monday, August 28th,  and  trains will run every 8 minutes during middays instead of the usual 10 minutes. The  remains in 10 minute waits. Wonder if that’ll increase the reliability on those lines.  

[darkstar8983]

43 minutes ago, Calvin said:

This Monday, August 28th,  and  trains will run every 8 minutes during middays instead of the usual 10 minutes. The  remains in 10 minute waits. Wonder if that’ll increase the reliability on those lines.  

Probabaly yes for the , and definitely not for the  because it will cause uneven service headways with the  in Astoria unless they propose just not running the  middays.

Quick question - how much will the  rush hour service be reduced to accommodate the extra  trains during the 63 St tunnel reconstruction?

Edited August 22, 2023 by darkstar8983

[trainfan22]

5963 has no A/C, first time ever riding an Pikin R46 with A/C problems. 

[Chris89292]

Anyone know why the  has an “S” at the front end of the stations instead of their car numbers “11” cars like the rest of the subway system 

[Vulturious]

24 minutes ago, Chris89292 said:

Anyone know why the  has an “S” at the front end of the stations instead of their car numbers “11” cars like the rest of the subway system 

What other part of the system has an car marker for 11 cars long? There's already a bunch of S markers all over the system, might as well not waste resources making new 11 car markers for just one line. 

[Chris89292]

2 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

What other part of the system has a car marker for 11 cars long? There's already a bunch of S markers all over the system, might as well not waste resources making new 11 car markers for just one line. 

i mean they already wasted recourses making those new “S” Marks, the  had the “11” symbols on a few stations with a “10” next to it, at junction blvd there used to be “8” “6” marked spots too, till they were removed