official Subway - What If?

[Lance]

Which is EXACTLY why I did NOT do that.

 

Now, in theory what you could do is have the and swap midtown sections and have the run to Euclid while the runs possibly in place of the between 47th-50th and Metropolitan OR have the run like it does late nights and have the go to Broadway Junction, but that would be a bit much,

 

What it does do is call for 60-foot cars to be on the so that in the unlikely event re-routes into the Eastern Division are necessary, the could in theory replace the if necessary.

Yes, because it makes perfect sense to rearrange the car assignments for a once-in-a-lifetime reroute. You have to ask yourself this question: what would have to happen for a B train to be sent to Metropolitan Av, or anywhere in the East for that matter? There are numerous termini available for a B train that cannot reach Brighton Beach that do not have the restrictions the Eastern Division has imposed.

[Wallyhorse]

Point taken, but the idea is not to have 75-footers on lines that can conceivably go into the Eastern Division if it ever did become necessary.

And as Williamsburg continues to get built up, in the future you could see political pressure not to shorten the when emergencies happen or to make sure a line is serving midtown from Williamsburg.  

[CenSin]

And as Williamsburg continues to get built up, in the future you could see political pressure not to shorten the when emergencies happen or to make sure a line is serving midtown from Williamsburg.

It’s as likely as political pressure not to cut the when emergencies happen.

• Signal problems? Ignore the signals.
• Smoke in the tunnels? Honk the horns and hope you don’t run into another train.
• Is there a man fallen onto the tracks? Run him over.
• Tunnel flooded? The passengers can get their feet wet.

Service must continue no matter what.

 

But seriously, how do you not cut service when emergencies stop the use of one track on a double-tracked line? Physical constraints ensure that only the possible can happen. Just as you can never cram 1000 people per minute through a single door that’s 3-foot wide, you cannot push for more service when it canot be sustained. It’s especially true of emergency situations, and in a scenario where only limited service is possible the most logical lines to cut first are the , , and which are mostly redundant and of lesser importance than other lines.

[Wallyhorse]

Time to get this back on track:

Construction work being done around Battery Park creates problems when crew workers accidentally knock out power in the area of the Bowling Green, Whitehall Street and South Ferry Stations.  It's nearing evening rush hour and this won't be fixed until late evening at the earliest.

Affected lines:  

(Note: The Montauge Street tunnel can be accessed from the Nassau Street Line as power is NOT affected immediately south of Whitehall).

[Fresh Pond]

Time to get this back on track:

 

Construction work being done around Battery Park creates problems when crew workers accidentally knock out power in the area of the Bowling Green, Whitehall Street and South Ferry Stations. It's nearing evening rush hour and this won't be fixed until late evening at the earliest.

 

Affected lines:

 

(Note: The Montauge Street tunnel can be accessed from the Nassau Street Line as power is NOT affected immediately south of Whitehall).

242 St to 14 St, express south of 34 St

& local south of 34 St

Woodlawn to Fulton St, some trains end at Brooklyn Bridge; Borough Hall to Utica Av

Dyre Av to E. 180 St

via bridge

[P3F]

Due to a truck filled with bug spray cans tipping over and the bug spray spilling down a grate and into the subway, the two uptown tracks are unusable on the between Canal Street and Houston Street. How are the and affected?

[Wallyhorse]

 

Due to a truck filled with bug spray cans tipping over and the bug spray spilling down a grate and into the subway, the two uptown tracks are unusable on the       between Canal Street and Houston Street. How are the     and   affected?

How I would do it:

runs in the following manner:
Normal downtown to Chambers Street, but terminating there on the downtown express track.
Uptown via the downtown express track between Chambers and 14th Street, then via regular route after 14th Street

Shuttle operates between Chambers Street and South Ferry (single train using both local platforms and operating in both directions).

runs via the between 149th Street and Nevins Street

runs In Manhattan ONLY between 34th-Penn Station and 148th Street.

Single-track shuttle operates on the uptown express track between Chambers Street and Wall Street.

is extended to New Lots Avenue to replace the in Brooklyn and runs local between Franklin and Utica Avenue.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Wallyhorse

[BxM4Woodlawn]

a man robbed a train late at night at Broadway Junction, and has driven it all over the place on the Nassau St line in Brooklyn and Manhattan. Police shut down the line to investigate, along with the Montague Street Tunnel.

 

Reroute Away

[Wallyhorse]

a man robbed a train late at night at Broadway Junction, and has driven it all over the place on the Nassau St line in Brooklyn and Manhattan. Police shut down the line to investigate, along with the Montague Street Tunnel.

 

Reroute Away

skips Delancey Street in Manhattan.

 

suspended, shuttle buses run along the route to Canal Street and Broadway in Manhattan (and also to the 2nd Avenue station).

 

runs as follows when service begins:

In two sections between 71st-Continental and Whitehall Street in Queens/Manhattan and between Court and 95th Streets in Brooklyn 

Some trains run via the Bridge between DeKalb Avenue and Canal Street, then via regular route

 

Overnight, is split in the same manner the is noted above, runs normal evening route via the bridge.

 

runs in two sections:

Single-track shuttles on both tracks in both directions between Fresh Pond Road and Myrtle-Wyckoff (shuttle bus between Myrtle Avenue and Myrtle-Wyckoff) at all times

 

2nd Avenue station and 71-Continental.during hours the normally operates in midtown.

 

 

 

[FamousNYLover]

 

 

How I would do it:

 

runs in the following manner:

Normal downtown to Chambers Street, but terminating there on the downtown express track.

Uptown via the downtown express track between Chambers and 14th Street, then via regular route after 14th Street

Shuttle operates between Chambers Street and South Ferry (single train using both local platforms and operating in both directions).

 

runs via the between 149th Street and Nevins Street

 

runs In Manhattan ONLY between 34th-Penn Station and 148th Street.

 

Single-track shuttle operates on the uptown express track between Chambers Street and Wall Street.

 

is extended to New Lots Avenue to replace the in Brooklyn and runs local between Franklin and Utica Avenue.

 

How is it possible to have single track shuttle between Chambers St and Wall St via South Ferry when there's running on Lex Av in both directions? Impossible.

: No trains between 14th St & South Ferry.

: Trains run on between 3rd Av-149th St and Nevin St in both direction.

: No trains between Times Sq-42nd St and New Lots Av.

: Extended to/from New Lots Av.

Shuttle Buses runs as follows.

1. Local shuttle buses makes stops between 14th St & South Ferry. M5 and M20 bus will provide free boarding at 14th St, Chambers St and South Ferry.

2. Express Shuttle buses makes stops between 14th St & South Ferry, stopping at Chambers St, Park Place, Fulton St and Bowling Green.

[Wallyhorse]

How it's possible to have the use the downtown express track to get between Chambers and 14th:

Move to the express at Chambers and terminate there (running normal route to Chambers).
Wrong-rail on the downtown express track to 14th (skipping local stops uptown).
Track switches after 14th allow for normal service after there.

Edited June 23, 2015 by Wallyhorse

[Fresh Pond]

How it's possible to have the use the downtown express track to get between Chambers and 14th:

 

Move to the express at Chambers and terminate there (running normal route to Chambers).

Wrong-rail on the downtown express track to 14th (skipping local stops uptown).

Track switches after 14th allow for normal service after there.

All that for wrong railing trains is useless, and pretty stupid honestly. Just terminate downtown trains at 14 St and call it a day

[R3216068E]

Sorry to budge in I just wanted to follow this topic but I agree you can terminate trains at 14 st because the t/a won't complain about how much of a pain it is to turn trains in case 96 a service change

Edited June 23, 2015 by R3216068E

[Fresh Pond]

Wrong railing trains on tracks that aren't equipped for signals going in the intended direction creates an even bigger problem:

 

...absolute block

 

After wrong railing out of Chambers, the next signal is the home signal controlling the switches at 14 St. That means Chambers St to 14 St constitute as one entire signal block and with absolute block in effect (one train, one block), the 2nd train wrong railing can't even move from Chambers St until the first one clears the switches at 14 St. You would just create a HUGE conga line of trains waiting to go back uptown which would make everything WORSE than what it originally is

 

Once again, you'll be better off turning trains back at 14 St, compared to wrong railing then back uptown from Chambers on the downtown express track.

[R3216068E]

Sorry to budge in I just wanted to follow this topic but I agree you can terminate trains at 14 st because the t/a won't complain about how much of a pain it is to turn trains in case there is a service change

 

Sorry to budge in I just wanted to follow this topic but I agree you can terminate trains at 14 st because the t/a won't complain about how much of a pain it is to turn trains in case there is a service change

fix up from my last post

[BDNQ2345]

What happened if the terrorist blow up 4 av 9 st station and prospect park station where do and goes.

Edited June 26, 2015 by BDNQ2345

[FamousNYLover]

What happened if the terrorist blow up 4 av 9 st station and prospect park station where do and goes.

If terrorist blows up, every subway, buses, Staten Island Railway, Bridge & Tunnel will be shut down, including ferry and tramway.

[LegoBrickBreaker101]

What happened if the terrorist blow up 4 av 9 st station and prospect park station where do and goes.

 

Of all the places why Brooklyn lol...

 

suspended

205 St - Atlantic-Barclays, 36 St - Coney Island

179 St - Jay St-Metrotech, Church Avenue - Coney Island

Court Sq - Bedford-Nostrand

Astoria - Atlantic-Barclays, 36 St - Coney Island

Kings Highway - Coney Island

71 Ave - Whitehall St, 59 St - Bay Ridge

suspended with shuttle buses

 

and both stop at Dekalb, and shuttle buses operate at all shut down stations.

 

If terrorist blows up, every subway, buses, Staten Island Railway, Bridge & Tunnel will be shut down, including ferry and tramway.

 

Oops that is true...

[BDNQ2345]

What if all the IRT don't have power for a three weeks and the and shutdown how they use IND/BMT and buses to their destination.

[CenSin]

What happened if the terrorist blow up 4 av 9 st station and prospect park station where do and goes.

I doubt they’d keep the system running after two simultaneous attacks. People would stay home and not risk their lives during the ongoing investigation.

[Wallyhorse]

Time for something a little more realistic:

A water main break on 14th Street between 6th and 7th Avenues has created major havoc on the west side as the 6th and 7th Avenue lines have to be shut down in the immediate area. The 8th Avenue line is not affected by this nor are lines serving Union Square (including the in the latter case to there). 

Reroute as needed.

[Fresh Pond]

Time for something a little more realistic:

 

A water main break on 14th Street between 6th and 7th Avenues has created major havoc on the west side as the 6th and 7th Avenue lines have to be shut down in the immediate area. The 8th Avenue line is not affected by this nor are lines serving Union Square (including the in the latter case to there).

 

Reroute as needed.

242 St to Penn Station

via Lex

148 St to Times Sq

runs local in Brooklyn

145 St to Herald Sq

via CPW/8 Av express

205 St to 2 Av via CPW/8 Av local, Atlantic-Barclays to Coney Island

via 8 Av local

Union Sq to Canarsie

Metropolitan Av to Chambers St

Sea Beach local via bridge

[FamousNYLover]

Time for something a little more realistic:

 

A water main break on 14th Street between 6th and 7th Avenues has created major havoc on the west side as the 6th and 7th Avenue lines have to be shut down in the immediate area. The 8th Avenue line is not affected by this nor are lines serving Union Square (including the in the latter case to there). 

 

Reroute as needed.

Subway:

: No trains between 34th St-Penn Station and South Ferry.

: Trains rerouted over between 3rd Av-149th Sts and Nevins St in both direction.

: No trains between Times Sq-42nd St and News Lots Av.

: Delays.

: Trains run in 2 sections.

1. Bedford Park Blvd/145th St and 34th St-Herald Sq.

2. Between Whitehall St and Brighton Beach.

: Runs express between 59th St-Columbus Circle and Canal St.

: Trains run via line between 59th St-Columbus Circle and West 4th St.

: Trains run via line between 59th St-Columbus Circle and West 4th St.

: Runs in 2 sections.

1. Between Metropolitan Av-Middle VIllage and Broad St .

2. Between 34th St-Herald Sq and Forest Hills-71st Av.

Shuttle Bus operates as follows.

1. IRT 7th Av Shuttle Bus operates between 34th St-Penn Station and South Ferry via 7th-8th Avs with stops at Park Place, Fulton St and Bowling Green. Express shuttle  buses serve 34th St-Penn Station, 14th St, Chambers St, Park Place, Fulton St and Bowling Green.

2. IND 6th Av Shuttle Buses operates between Times Sq-42nd St/Port Authority Bus Terminal and Grand St via 6th-5th Avs, stopping at Lower East Side-2nd Av, Delancey-Essex, Bowery.

[TheNewYorkElevated]

Since no one has posted on this for over a month...

 

Derailment on the northbound train while it was leaving Atlantic Avenue. The switches changed at the last minute, and the train derailed instantly. 

 

Reroute away.

[R3216068E]

Since no one has posted on this for over a month...

 

Derailment on the northbound train while it was leaving Atlantic Avenue. The switches changed at the last minute, and the train derailed instantly.

 

Reroute away.

Was it an R160 or R68/A