Q64Extention Posted July 9, 2012 Share #601 Posted July 9, 2012 Now the Q25 and Q34. The Q34 should be eliminated because no one ever really stays on the bus after flushing to Whitestone. It empties out and picks up 3 to 5 people and then it never gets half full or full. Only when the bus is very late it can get to be half full. Now the reason the Q25 is always delayed is because most of time the Q34 comes late and the Q25 comes on time after it and has to wait until the Q34 is at least 5 minutes ahead of it. So here is an example 5:00PM q34 is suppose to come it come 7 minutes later. The Q25 comes at 5:08. Then it passes it now it has to wait for the Q34 to catch up and pass it a little bit. The Q17 Q27 and Q44 don't have a problem with extra service. Actually, I often see the Q34 to be completely full, like the other routes on Kissena. Even after the Flushing-Main Street Station, going to Whitestone, it has a pretty fair amount of passengers. Adding service to the Q17 and Q27 would cause clumping overload all over the place. They are frequent enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted July 10, 2012 Share #602 Posted July 10, 2012 I agree with this. Some routes should be cut or changed. Some are for coverage purposes I believe... I never understood the point of the Q103 either, it goes not too far from my school and I don't see much ppl on it, and it has horrible headways and stops running fairly early (6:30 or 7pm, I believe) The point is to serve Vernon Blvd, but I guess it was one of the " had money then" routes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted July 10, 2012 Share #603 Posted July 10, 2012 The point is to serve Vernon Blvd, but I guess it was one of the " had money then" routes. That's what I thought.... The major area it serves (Queensbridge) is already served by the , Q102, Q69, Q66 and the Q100, so if it was eliminated, I wouldn't see much loss from it.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted July 10, 2012 Share #604 Posted July 10, 2012 But u see the Q34 is a feeder off the Q25 and having the Q20B serve College Pt 14 is useless and the Q20A is only a few blocks away. So to save money have the Q20B serve Whitestone Q34 route an increase Q25 service to meet the riders demands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted July 10, 2012 Share #605 Posted July 10, 2012 But u see the Q34 is a feeder off the Q25 and having the Q20B serve College Pt 14 is useless and the Q20A is only a few blocks away. So to save money have the Q20B serve Whitestone Q34 route an increase Q25 service to meet the riders demands. So you're saying to discontinue the Q34, and reroute the Q20B to serve the Whitestone portion of the Q34? How would this be routed? Seems interesting... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted July 10, 2012 Share #606 Posted July 10, 2012 That's what I thought.... The major area it serves (Queensbridge) is already served by the , Q102, Q69, Q66 and the Q100, so if it was eliminated, I wouldn't see much loss from it.... It's basically a Q102 not via 31 Avenue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted July 10, 2012 Share #607 Posted July 10, 2012 So you're saying to discontinue the Q34, and reroute the Q20B to serve the Whitestone portion of the Q34? How would this be routed? Seems interesting... Yes MTAFanBoy512,The Q20B instead of going to College Pt Blvd and 14 Ave it will just go to 149st and Whitestone. It runs weekdays anyway so I would give it a try 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted July 10, 2012 Share #608 Posted July 10, 2012 It's basically a Q102 not via 31 Avenue. 31 Street you mean ; and I suppose so, but the Q102 has more important places that it serves (Roosevelt Island) and it runs 7 days a week, as opposed to weekdays like on the Q103 Yes MTAFanBoy512,The Q20B instead of going to College Pt Blvd and 14 Ave it will just go to 149st and Whitestone. It runs weekdays anyway so I would give it a try If you can route it perfectly, theres no harm in trying, both routes run weekdays only, which is perfect! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted July 10, 2012 Share #609 Posted July 10, 2012 31 Street you mean ; and I suppose so, but the Q102 has more important places that it serves (Roosevelt Island) and it runs 7 days a week, as opposed to weekdays like on the Q103 Eh... Roosevelt Island is definitely not it's biggest source of passengers. It's definitely in Astoria. Rarely ever is a Bus close to half full on Main Street (RIOC has 25¢ fares) so its ridership must be in Astoria 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted July 10, 2012 Share #610 Posted July 10, 2012 Eh... Roosevelt Island is definitely not it's biggest source of passengers. It's definitely in Astoria. Rarely ever is a Bus close to half full on Main Street (RIOC has 25¢ fares) so its ridership must be in Astoria Yep, it's in Astoria, by far. I don't ride it the Q102, but I can tell you that any stop under the train or anywhere near it will be full. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted July 10, 2012 Share #611 Posted July 10, 2012 I would try and combine the B24 with the Q103/104. The Q103 would Elbe routed to serve Greenpoint Ave and would terminate at 47 st/47 av. The Q104 would serve the other half of the route weekdays only. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 10, 2012 Share #612 Posted July 10, 2012 The B24 needs to disappear... that route makes no sense... BTW, you can just route the Q54 onto Metropolitan Avenue in Williamsburg to replace the B24 there, but I feel if that branch is routed south it has more potential. The Greenpoint branch needs to be it's own route, and it should go along Roosevelt Avenue to 74th Street terminal to supplement the Q32... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY1635 Posted July 10, 2012 Share #613 Posted July 10, 2012 The B24 needs to disappear... that route makes no sense... BTW, you can just route the Q54 onto Metropolitan Avenue in Williamsburg to replace the B24 there, but I feel if that branch is routed south it has more potential. The Greenpoint branch needs to be it's own route, and it should go along Roosevelt Avenue to 74th Street terminal to supplement the Q32... People who take the B24 are going straight to Greenpoint Brooklyn, or Sunnyside Queens. The reason the B24 has little to no riders is because of the BQE, which tends to have traffic jams between the Meeker/Morgan and the Long Island Expressway exits. The B24 would rather take the G train instead of the bus, why? Because the G is faster than the B24. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q64Extention Posted July 10, 2012 Share #614 Posted July 10, 2012 Yes MTAFanBoy512,The Q20B instead of going to College Pt Blvd and 14 Ave it will just go to 149st and Whitestone. It runs weekdays anyway so I would give it a try You should have it operate on Linden Place and go to Union St. via the current Q34 route going to 149th Street if you're going to discontinue the Q34. I kind of think that the Q20B should cover both the Q74 route to Kew Gardens via. Vleigh Pl. and around Queens College, and the Q14 route to 7th Avenue, and the Q15A should be discontinued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 10, 2012 Share #615 Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) People who take the B24 are going straight to Greenpoint Brooklyn, or Sunnyside Queens. The reason the B24 has little to no riders is because of the BQE, which tends to have traffic jams between the Meeker/Morgan and the Long Island Expressway exits. The B24 would rather take the G train instead of the bus, why? Because the G is faster than the B24. People who take Greenpoint bound 24's (out of Wms'burg) get off along Met Av., take it to the cooper park houses (those projects along kingsland av), get off at 53rd/48th (these are usually the workers that work in industrial maspeth), or get off for the Q32/60/(7) by QB..... Nobody rides the loop to Greenpoint.... People who take Williamsburg bound 24's (out of G'point) take it to Borden, QB area, and within sunnyside..... same deal w/ the above, no one rides the loop to Williamsburg..... In other words, getting to/from QB is the major ridership generator in both directions..... It's quite obvious you'll see more intra-brooklyn riders on the williamsburg half of the route, compared to the greenpoint half.... Yeah, riders would rather take the due to the speed factor, and also, the fact that the B24 doesn't take you to the LIC area, nor does it offer a connection w/ any of the QB (letter) lines...... Edited July 10, 2012 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted July 10, 2012 Share #616 Posted July 10, 2012 Eh... Roosevelt Island is definitely not it's biggest source of passengers. It's definitely in Astoria. Rarely ever is a Bus close to half full on Main Street (RIOC has 25¢ fares) so its ridership must be in Astoria Ah, but it doesn't offer free transfers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 10, 2012 Share #617 Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Thank god the RIOC bus never got absorbed by the MTA, they would have just cut the route and made people use the Q102.... Edited July 10, 2012 by ThrexxBus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted July 10, 2012 Share #618 Posted July 10, 2012 Thank god the RIOC never got absorbed by the MTA, they would have just cut the route and made people use the Q102.... Exactly. I took the Red bus before, NICE ride for $0.25 . I think the ride is worth more like $0.50 instead. And a lot of people ride that bus, and I rode it on a Sunday. It was packed to the brim. Besides they got the tram to Manhattan or the instead of back-tracking to Queens. And they got express buses on Roosevelt Island as well. From the Octagon making two stops them express to the train station. They got a NICE set-up system. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 10, 2012 Share #619 Posted July 10, 2012 The Q102 is a very low-use supplement to the RIOC buses. I think the Q102 should be routed to 59th/1st & the RIOC should create a Queens Express from the Octagon to Queens Plaza via 21st Street... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted July 11, 2012 Share #620 Posted July 11, 2012 No, the Q102 should be kept. But yes. RIOC needs to stay its own, but should not go to queens (seeing how the Q102 does). I would rather see the Q102 terminate at 36 Avenue/Vernon and have the Q103 serve Roosevelt Island. But then again, you have to pay extra to get to the ... @checkmate Doesn't matter, kids ride free 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted July 11, 2012 Share #621 Posted July 11, 2012 Exactly. I took the Red bus before, NICE ride for $0.25 . I think the ride is worth more like $0.50 instead. And a lot of people ride that bus, and I rode it on a Sunday. It was packed to the brim. Besides they got the tram to Manhattan or the instead of back-tracking to Queens. And they got express buses on Roosevelt Island as well. From the Octagon making two stops them express to the train station. They got a NICE set-up system. Doesn't the Q102 connect with the as well. In any case, I think the Red Bus runs a little more frequently than the Q102, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted July 11, 2012 Share #622 Posted July 11, 2012 Doesn't the Q102 connect with the as well. In any case, I think the Red Bus runs a little more frequently than the Q102, right? 30 minutes except rush hours, for when it's 15 for express and local. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted July 11, 2012 Share #623 Posted July 11, 2012 It would be cool seeing MTA take over RIOC and having red buses. But they probably will repaint or wrap the bus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtNovaBusRTS9369 Posted July 11, 2012 Share #624 Posted July 11, 2012 I'm back with a few more ideas: Q17: I've also happened to notice some Northbound PM LTD's little under half full but I wouldn't eliminate them completely. Instead I'd just reduce the frequency to 9-10 min. Q26/27: Short turn a small few Q27's to/from the Q26's path to eliminate retire/replace the route altogether (peak directions only during Rush Hours only). Q46: Extend time frame of Westbound AM LTD's up 'til ending at 9:15. As for the PM there'll be LTD's (Westbound) at 2:30-6:00 PM. (sorry still had to mention this . Q77: Extend to 147 Av better connect with Q111 & Q113 as folks don't have to walk to 145th to catch the bus. Q83: Re-extend to it's original terminal at QV LIRR to better ridership along the Cambria Heights area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astoria Line Posted July 11, 2012 Share #625 Posted July 11, 2012 It would be cool seeing MTA take over RIOC and having red buses. But they probably will repaint or wrap the bus. Do you think they would increase the fare on those if they took them over? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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