Fresh Pond Posted December 6, 2013 Share #2901 Posted December 6, 2013 And look at how long and unreliable the M5 is... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted December 6, 2013 Share #2902 Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Don't forget the countless discussions about restoring the M6 or swapping northern terminals with the 104 or sending the 7 to South Ferry... Edited December 6, 2013 by Q43LTD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkupf Posted December 6, 2013 Share #2903 Posted December 6, 2013 But that discussion is for a different thread, obviously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted December 7, 2013 Share #2904 Posted December 7, 2013 (edited) So just because you said its gonna work automatically makes it gonna work...wonderful logic there... Simply put, there's no need for the B7 up there. You're making an already long and unreliable line even more longer and unreliable Look through this thread... http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/37474-b7-makes-a-movement-this-january/?fromsearch=1 Edited December 7, 2013 by Fresh Pond 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkupf Posted December 7, 2013 Share #2905 Posted December 7, 2013 But the service planners have been wanting to eliminate B20 Fresh Pond service for years due to its relatively poor ridership. If you can find another alternative to extending the B7, I wish to know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 7, 2013 Share #2906 Posted December 7, 2013 But the service planners have been wanting to eliminate B20 Fresh Pond service for years due to its relatively poor ridership. If you can find another alternative to extending the B7, I wish to know. Here's an alternative: Leave the damn routes alone! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted December 7, 2013 Share #2907 Posted December 7, 2013 Here's an alternative: Leave the damn routes alone! Couldn't have said it better myself. Not all gaps needs to be closed... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkupf Posted December 8, 2013 Share #2908 Posted December 8, 2013 Here's an alternative: Leave the damn routes alone! I meant to come up with an idea that is an alternative to extending the B7 AND IS LESS EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE THAN THE CURRENT ROUTINGS AND NOT CUT SERVICE FREQUENCIES, I would like to know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 8, 2013 Share #2909 Posted December 8, 2013 I meant to come up with an idea that is an alternative to extending the B7 AND IS LESS EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE THAN THE CURRENT ROUTINGS AND NOT CUT SERVICE FREQUENCIES, I would like to know. NOTHING 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkupf Posted December 8, 2013 Share #2910 Posted December 8, 2013 Sorry, but doing nothing is too expensive to operate. Come up with something better! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 8, 2013 Share #2911 Posted December 8, 2013 Sorry, but doing nothing is too expensive to operate. Come up with something better! If it was too expensive, they would've reduced it by now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted December 8, 2013 Share #2912 Posted December 8, 2013 Every other 20 goes to Ridgewood during the day as it is already...that's literally the bare minimum you can get with the terrible frequencies the 20 has now. Extending the 7 is just a waste of money since the 26 can handle it up there by itself 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted December 8, 2013 Share #2913 Posted December 8, 2013 Every other 20 goes to Ridgewood during the day as it is already...that's literally the bare minimum you can get with the terrible frequencies the 20 has now. Extending the 7 is just a waste of money since the 26 can handle it up there by itself Simple cut the 20 back and transfer that part to B7 done. And look at how long and unreliable the M5 is... B7 is way more reliable than M5 that says a lot. If it was too expensive, they would've reduced it by now... Now I will eat popcorn and step away from this conversation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted December 9, 2013 Share #2914 Posted December 9, 2013 would it be possible to extend a bus to metro mall? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 9, 2013 Share #2915 Posted December 9, 2013 would it be possible to extend a bus to metro mall? You have the Q54 from Brooklyn. What more is needed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted December 9, 2013 Share #2916 Posted December 9, 2013 And the Q38 and 67... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 10, 2013 Share #2917 Posted December 10, 2013 And the Q38 and 67... Yeah, but I'm pretty sure he's talking about from Brooklyn (well, because he posted this here). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted December 10, 2013 Share #2918 Posted December 10, 2013 Yeah, but I'm pretty sure he's talking about from Brooklyn (well, because he posted this here).Wouldn't be worth it because there's nothing there except BJ's, K-Mart, Toys R Us and Conway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 10, 2013 Share #2919 Posted December 10, 2013 Wouldn't be worth it because there's nothing there except BJ's, K-Mart, Toys R Us and Conway Exactly, the Q54 is more than enough for Brooklyn. Plus there's no way to turn around the buses without pissing off residents in residential Middle Village. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted December 12, 2013 Share #2920 Posted December 12, 2013 But the service planners have been wanting to eliminate B20 Fresh Pond service for years due to its relatively poor ridership. I'd be interested in knowing the amount of through riding between the southern and northern sections of the B20. Is there really that much of a Post-Office-Penn Av-to-Ridgewood market, or do most riders from each end leave at East New York station? If nothing else, maybe the part north of ENY could either become its own route or be attached to a different route. I'm also wondering the same thing about the Broadway section of the Q24 — should it stay linked to Atlantic Avenue, or should it be a separate route (which, for historical reasons, I would call B22)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 12, 2013 Share #2921 Posted December 12, 2013 Couldn't have said it better myself. Not all gaps needs to be closed... Don't know how many times I've made this point..... Every other 20 goes to Ridgewood during the day as it is already...that's literally the bare minimum you can get with the terrible frequencies the 20 has now. Extending the 7 is just a waste of money since the 26 can handle it up there by itself It absolutely is a waste..... I'll go one step further & say that no matter what route you extend over the B20 north of Broadway Junction (instead of the B20 itself), bus usage will always be weak... the fact of the matter is (as far as the bus is concerned), the current B60 serves/fills the patrons in that general area's transit needs...... It's really not the fault of the B20 as to why usage isn't exactly booming up along schaefer/decatur..... would it be possible to extend a bus to metro mall? Not sure why there would be a need to, but can you be more specific...... Wouldn't be worth it because there's nothing there except BJ's, K-Mart, Toys R Us and Conway Agreed..... Hell, I'm not so sure if ppl. take (the current) buses that serve it, to/from that mall in droves (or in any real significance) anyway..... If they do, it would most certainly be news to me.... ......Plus there's no way to turn around the buses without pissing off residents in residential Middle Village. I don't see where you'd turn around buses, period.... For buses to end at Metro Mall, I suppose buses could end at that niche (where there's a current bus stop pole), but buses can't u-turn on Metropolitan anyway.... and the set-up isn't like (for example) over there by Red Hook IKEA, where the niche/bus stop there leads buses to continue up otsego (instead of illegally u-turning WB on Beard, after accessing the niche from the east)..... at Metro Mall, after coming out of that niche from the west, due east, you have to leave the niche, due east, along Metropolitan av.... no NB or SB turn/leading toward any street..... Also, see reply to post above.... To add to it, I don't think it's been a handful of times I've even seen a bus actually stop at said niche.... Buses usually blow by that stop & head towards the subway stop , which is what a hell of a lot more ppl. are seeking service for anyway... As for the mall though - Of those I have seen, there are more folks getting off at the other stop towards the western end of the mall more..... I'd be interested in knowing the amount of through riding between the southern and northern sections of the B20. Is there really that much of a Post-Office-Penn Av-to-Ridgewood market, or do most riders from each end leave at East New York station? If nothing else, maybe the part north of ENY could either become its own route or be attached to a different route. I'm also wondering the same thing about the Broadway section of the Q24 — should it stay linked to Atlantic Avenue, or should it be a separate route (which, for historical reasons, I would call B22)? Can't be (much of a market), since the usage of the route have been so that buses from the east/south (for the most part) empty out at Broadway Junction.... From the north (meaning, from Ridgewood), most of those folks don't even ride out to B'way Junction on the B20 (let alone ENY) - they get off at Broadway.... I know you're just asking, but nah, No way should the northern portion of the B20 be its own route.... It doesn't come close to having the ridership to sustain a standalone route of sorts..... As far as attachment to a different route, well that's where the B7 extension suggestion by some folks have long come into play.... I don't think that's necessarily the answer either..... Personally, I'd say it's the current B20, or bust... may as well leave every other 20 (or w/e the freq's are currently) running past B'way Junction..... As for the Q24, I think the MTA should have kept it truncated to B'way junction...... So to opinionate on that part of the question, neither (and running a route from B'way Junction - Lafayette/Patchen [Q24] would even be worse than partitioning the B20 north of B'way Junction - that would duplicate the subway for almost 100% of the route, for too short a distance) -------- Food for thought.... Similar to what NICE did w/ the n22/24, what do any of you think about the Q24 (via Atlantic) & the Q56 (via Jamaica) having the exact same end terminals - B'way Junction to Jamaica/170th? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted December 12, 2013 Share #2922 Posted December 12, 2013 I don't see where you'd turn around buses, period.... For buses to end at Metro Mall, I suppose buses could end at that niche (where there's a current bus stop pole), but buses can't u-turn on Metropolitan anyway.... and the set-up isn't like (for example) over there by Red Hook IKEA, where the niche/bus stop there leads buses to continue up otsego (instead of illegally u-turning WB on Beard, after accessing the niche from the east)..... at Metro Mall, after coming out of that niche from the west, due east, you have to leave the niche, due east, along Metropolitan av.... no NB or SB turn/leading toward any street..... Also, see reply to post above.... To add to it, I don't think it's been a handful of times I've even seen a bus actually stop at said niche.... Buses usually blow by that stop & head towards the subway stop , which is what a hell of a lot more ppl. are seeking service for anyway... As for the mall though - Of those I have seen, there are more folks getting off at the other stop towards the western end of the mall more..... I take it the ramp to the lower level is too steep for them (that would be useful. The actual "mall" is the lower level. K-Mart and Toys R Us are actually a separate tenant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 31, 2013 Share #2923 Posted December 31, 2013 I had this in mind for a quite a while, involving the route pattern of the BM1 and the BM2 rerouting around Prospect Park, because it adds unnecessary mileage to the routes, and could end up saving money in the long term. This is what I had in mind https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204750700533050976010.0004eed5c54339ff99ae0&msa=0&ll=40.652448,-73.964424&spn=0.048187,0.104628 No stops would be missed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted December 31, 2013 Share #2924 Posted December 31, 2013 Metro mall... boy I've not been there in years... There's really nothing remarkable about that place, it really doesn't need any more service.... Sent from my SGH-T889 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted December 31, 2013 Share #2925 Posted December 31, 2013 I had this in mind for a quite a while, involving the route pattern of the BM1 and the BM2 rerouting around Prospect Park, because it adds unnecessary mileage to the routes, and could end up saving money in the long term. This is what I had in mind https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=204750700533050976010.0004eed5c54339ff99ae0&msa=0&ll=40.652448,-73.964424&spn=0.048187,0.104628 No stops would be missed. I would send it straight across Beverley. This is what I've been saying from the beginning. You lose a lot of time on Cortelyou (more traffic, narrower street with oblique turn onto Coney Island Ave. and riding those buses years ago, it all slows down the trip). Beverley has the stop as well, and all it lacks is the commercial development, but that is not what the bus is for, and the street is much clearer without it anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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