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April 6th, 2013 Bus Schedule Changes Thread

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The schedule changes notice has already been posted behind the driver's window...

But take a look specifically at the 317 when it comes to the Southern Division

 

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Looks like the 317 will no longer operate through McGuire-Ft Dix anymore

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long overdue for that line I wonder why they waited this long to say nomore 317?

 

Maybe because some people (however small that number may be) would be inconvenienced by the fact it would no longer go through Ft. Dix. Not to mention on the NJT side of things, it's a longer route. The only thing is that you save a little time by them not having to check ID.

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At the request of the joint base command huh....

I'm guessing something must have happened, or something is bound to happen (with/within the base itself)....

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Maybe because some people (however small that number may be) would be inconvenienced by the fact it would no longer go through Ft. Dix. Not to mention on the NJT side of things, it's a longer route. The only thing is that you save a little time by them not having to check ID.

to be honest after looking over it's new route that makes it meander like crazy.

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South Jersey only? No changes in North Jersey?

somebody should ride a north jersey bus and take a picture of it's sign behind the driver

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somebody should ride a north jersey bus and take a picture of it's sign behind the driver

 

Why can't they post this stuff on their website? 

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What is the new 317 route if its not going by Fort Dix anymore starting April.

 

At the request of the joint base command huh....

I'm guessing something must have happened, or something is bound to happen (with/within the base itself)....

 

Obviously it's for security reasons, so I think it has to deal with something that's about to happen.

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What is the new 317 route if its not going by Fort Dix anymore starting April.

 

 

 

Obviously it's for security reasons, so I think it has to deal with something that's about to happen.

it's routing is even worse than it is now.

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Why can't they post this stuff on their website? 

I take it w/ a comment like that, that this info about the 317, etc isn't on the website yet.....

They tend to post things like this on the website after changes already occurred, or a few days before said change is about to occur.... I hear you though.....

 

Obviously it's for security reasons, so I think it has to deal with something that's about to happen.

That's the point.

 

What is the new 317 route if its not going by Fort Dix anymore starting April.

It's on the picture mfs NJT posted.....

 

And although I agree w/ QJT that it meanders like crazy, what else could buses do (that doesn't involve leaving browns mills without service, as well as burlington county coll. (pemberton campus)...

 

 

Hell, since I'm in the mood, since the timetable doesn't tell you the route inside ft dix, & since the doug & adrienne maps are outdated in that area [it doesn't pass by the golf course no more])

 

* Current 317 in that area [asbury park bound]:

From the pemberton campus, straight on 530, left on trenton rd (which turns into texas rd), pass the security gate along texas av

 

(**entering ft dix**)

continue on texas av, left on 8th st, right on delaware av, right on broidy rd, left on texas av, up to wrightstown rd, pass the security gate (**leaving ft dix**)

 

....along wrightstown rd, continue on wrightstown rd (which turns into fort dix st), right on main st, etc....

 

 

* Future 317 in that area [asbury park bound]:

From the pemberton campus, straight on 530, left on juliustown rd, left on pointville rd, right on fort dix rd, left on rt 68, right on 670 (saylor's pond rd), right on main st, etc....

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I mapped it out, for anybody who wants a visual description.

 

* Current route

 

* New route

 

It adds a good 5 miles to the route, but like you said, the problem is that you'll either bypass Browns Mills, or if you go up Browns Mills Road (assuming there's no checkpoint or anything), you'll bypass Wrightstown, and leave the entire northern part of Fort Dix without any service in the general vicinity.

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I take it w/ a comment like that, that this info about the 317, etc isn't on the website yet.....

They tend to post things like this on the website after changes already occurred, or a few days before said change is about to occur.... I hear you though.....

 

 

That's the point.

 

 

It's on the picture mfs NJT posted.....

 

And although I agree w/ QJT that it meanders like crazy, what else could buses do (that doesn't involve leaving browns mills without service, as well as burlington county coll. (pemberton campus)...

 

 

Hell, since I'm in the mood, since the timetable doesn't tell you the route inside ft dix, & since the doug & adrienne maps are outdated in that area [it doesn't pass by the golf course no more])

 

* Current 317 in that area [asbury park bound]:

From the pemberton campus, straight on 530, left on trenton rd (which turns into texas rd), pass the security gate along texas av

 

(**entering ft dix**)

continue on texas av, left on 8th st, right on delaware av, right on broidy rd, left on texas av, up to wrightstown rd, pass the security gate (**leaving ft dix**)

 

....along wrightstown rd, continue on wrightstown rd (which turns into fort dix st), right on main st, etc....

 

 

* Future 317 in that area [asbury park bound]:

From the pemberton campus, straight on 530, left on juliustown rd, left on pointville rd, right on fort dix rd, left on rt 68, right on 670 (saylor's pond rd), right on main st, etc....

Inaccurate you would not leave browns mills without service by streamlining 317 BUT that would essentially eliminate weekend service for them though. As that area is also served by the burlink B1 so yes streamlining 317 can speed up the route without leaving those people without service but you would eliminate weekend service for em though. Unless my 459/413/417 plan is implemented but that is in another thread for another time.

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Inaccurate you would not leave browns mills without service by streamlining 317 BUT that would essentially eliminate weekend service for them though. As that area is also served by the burlink B1 so yes streamlining 317 can speed up the route without leaving those people without service but you would eliminate weekend service for em though. Unless my 459/413/417 plan is implemented but that is in another thread for another time.

Streamlining the 317? What the hell are you even talking about.....

 

Never said shit about streamlining the route, so there's nothin to have been inaccurate with, with that... Don't put words in my mouth dude...

 

I mapped it out, for anybody who wants a visual description.

 

* Current route

 

* New route

 

It adds a good 5 miles to the route, but like you said, the problem is that you'll either bypass Browns Mills, or if you go up Browns Mills Road (assuming there's no checkpoint or anything), you'll bypass Wrightstown, and leave the entire northern part of Fort Dix without any service in the general vicinity.

Someone with a sense of understanding & comprehension skills

 

Anyway, thanks for the map.... I can picture the area the diverted route is gonna take on, and it's gonna bypass a whole lotta nothing b/w the 2 points....

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Is Texas Ave through the base open to private vehicles, or is the current 317 the only non-military-related vehicle allowed in?

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Streamlining the 317? What the hell are you even talking about.....

 

Never said shit about streamlining the route, so there's nothin to have been inaccurate with, with that... Don't put words in my mouth dude...

 

Someone with a sense of understanding & comprehension skills

 

Anyway, thanks for the map.... I can picture the area the diverted route is gonna take on, and it's gonna bypass a whole lotta nothing b/w the 2 points....

Whole lotta nothing LOL your right people jump out bushes with swords to get on this bus LOL. :lol:  :lol:  :lol: . I remember a cop escorting me to the 317 while I was almost stranded there as soon as I got out the cop car the bus came seconds later THANK YOU GOD OF TRANSIT!!!!!!

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Is Texas Ave through the base open to private vehicles, or is the current 317 the only non-military-related vehicle allowed in?

Provided that you have ID & you've been cleared to pass, any vehicle is allowed through....

 

Usually private entrances are just that... Private; not available for entry/exit (or in some cases, visible even) to non-private vehicles....

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Streamlining the 317? What the hell are you even talking about.....

 

Never said shit about streamlining the route, so there's nothin to have been inaccurate with, with that... Don't put words in my mouth dude...

 

Someone with a sense of understanding & comprehension skills

 

Anyway, thanks for the map.... I can picture the area the diverted route is gonna take on, and it's gonna bypass a whole lotta nothing b/w the 2 points....

 

Sure, no problem.

 

And I see what he's saying. You basically said that you either have to leave BCC & Browns Mills without any service, or you have to have the 317 meander around that area (and of course, they chose the latter). He's saying that if you had the 317 bypass that area, they would still have bus service. It just wouldn't be 317 service. (Like he mentioned, the B1 serves both those areas, but has no weekend service).

 

I was confused about that too at first, because on the D & A maps, the 317 is listed as part of Central NJ, whereas the B1 is listed as part of Southern NJ, so it's not obvious that they overlap.

 

The thing with the 317 is that even with the relatively direct route, ridership west of Lakewood is low, so the amount of inconvenience you cause for the people seeking BCC & Browns Mills (by having to transfer from the B1) might be greater than the convenience/speed gained as a result of the more direct route.

 

Out of curiosity would you mind describing a typical 317 trip? (Preferably end-to-end, but particularly west of Lakewood. I want to see how low ridership is)

 

Whole lotta nothing LOL your right people jump out bushes with swords to get on this bus LOL. :lol:  :lol:  :lol: . I remember a cop escorting me to the 317 while I was almost stranded there as soon as I got out the cop car the bus came seconds later THANK YOU GOD OF TRANSIT!!!!!!

 

Actually, when I rode the western part of the S74, there were people getting on at stops in the middle of the woods (west of Bloomingdale Road). We picked up about 10 people from that area (spread out among different stops), and I'm wondering where the hell they all came from.

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Sure, no problem.

 

And I see what he's saying. You basically said that you either have to leave BCC & Browns Mills without any service, or you have to have the 317 meander around that area (and of course, they chose the latter). He's saying that if you had the 317 bypass that area, they would still have bus service. It just wouldn't be 317 service. (Like he mentioned, the B1 serves both those areas, but has no weekend service).

 

I was confused about that too at first, because on the D & A maps, the 317 is listed as part of Central NJ, whereas the B1 is listed as part of Southern NJ, so it's not obvious that they overlap.

 

The thing with the 317 is that even with the relatively direct route, ridership west of Lakewood is low, so the amount of inconvenience you cause for the people seeking BCC & Browns Mills (by having to transfer from the B1) might be greater than the convenience/speed gained as a result of the more direct route.

 

Out of curiosity would you mind describing a typical 317 trip? (Preferably end-to-end, but particularly west of Lakewood. I want to see how low ridership is)

I said what I did in that post because I never said anything about streamlining the 317, not that I was tryna understand him & couldn't... I was specifically talking about the 317, since that was the topic of discussion.... To be honest, at that point, I didn't care what he was actually/literally trying to convey with whatever he was saying....

 

Anyway, typical 317 trip b/w philly & lakewood.... You have those folks that ride b/w Philly & Camden (like all the other philly-camden routes, although not near as common for obvious reasons [headways]).... From what I noticed, anyone boarding in Philly or WRTC (camden) generally don't ride past the mall (moorestown).... I don't know how things are as far as ridership goes during the times college students are traveling to school or heading home though.... Anyway, anyone riding east of moorestown mall most likely got on at some point along 38.... The point where you'll see very little passenger activity is basically after the route passes through cookstown (I'm talking about less than a handful of ppl the whole way though that stint).... Others might tell you that threshold is at pemberton instead of cookstown, but there are signs of life (lol) in browns mills & cookstown as far as the route goes..... They wouldn't bother putting up a "courtesy stop" in browns mills if it weren't the case..... Anyway, from there (cookstown) it's pretty much a straight shot to lakewood... So yeah, there's a f**kload of empty mileage (as I like to call it) on the 317.... This might be a bit of a stretch, but the usage the 317 gets b/w philly & lakewood is somewhat equal to that of the usage b/w lakewood & asbury park.... Telling, isn't it...

 

Don't know if that answered/opinionated to your question to your satisfaction.....

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I feel for the 317 drivers. To add an extra 5 miles to a whole lot of nothing lol there must be alot of cursing going on between drivers. It pays well but you have no life working it. I dont even wana mention drivers that has to do that last trip to philly.....

 

If I were njt i would cut the 317 to Camden only and issue cts to ppl going into Philly.

 

The last time i fanned it there was only 20 ppl the entire route.

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I feel for the 317 drivers. To add an extra 5 miles to a whole lot of nothing lol there must be alot of cursing going on between drivers. It pays well but you have no life working it. I dont even wana mention drivers that has to do that last trip to philly.....

 

If I were njt i would cut the 317 to Camden only and issue cts to ppl going into Philly.

 

The last time i fanned it there was only 20 ppl the entire route.

Yep, whole lotta nothin... lol... That's what it is though !

 

Last time I took the route full (it was on a saturday), I'd say b/w philly & ft dix there were about that many people that boarded.... and by time we hit lakewood, there was actually a crowd of about 20-25 ppl. alone... Of anyone coming from the west (there was about 5 of us or so still on the bus before we pulled into lakewood), I was the only person left that took it eastward..... the other 4 ppl. or so got off at lakewood....  When we hit asbury park RR, there was about 5-7 ppl that got off....

 

I have to agree with you that the 317 should be cut back to WRTC.... there are enough philly-camden routes as it is & people don't trek over to the greyhound terminal like that just to get back to camden.... again, especially on 2 hr. headways......

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Yep, whole lotta nothin... lol... That's what it is though !

 

Last time I took the route full (it was on a saturday), I'd say b/w philly & ft dix there were about that many people that boarded.... and by time we hit lakewood, there was actually a crowd of about 20-25 ppl. alone... Of anyone coming from the west (there was about 5 of us or so still on the bus before we pulled into lakewood), I was the only person left that took it eastward..... the other 4 ppl. or so got off at lakewood....  When we hit asbury park RR, there was about 5-7 ppl that got off....

 

I have to agree with you that the 317 should be cut back to WRTC.... there are enough philly-camden routes as it is & people don't trek over to the greyhound terminal like that just to get back to camden.... again, especially on 2 hr. headways......

Your right they dont they do so to get to rte38 areas. Nobody truly uses NJT from philly to camden. Most do so to go where that line takes em. The 317 is one such line. So cutting it back may harm it too much. Best thing to do is break it up and restructure it. I will take it friday to see how it is.

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Cutting the 317 wont harm it. Matter of fact it wouldnt even be missed. Take patco to camden or ride another route an issue a ct. This is done on sb 405s.

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Cutting the 317 wont harm it. Matter of fact it wouldnt even be missed. Take patco to camden or ride another route an issue a ct. This is done on sb 405s.

Speaking of which, what were the routes that were cut back to camden that used to go over the bridge (to philly) ?

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