Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[AlgorithmOfTruth]

14 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

That's a write-up if you get caught with an open door by a TSS who's a stickler, so I don't think that's much of a point. T/Os definitely dislike the cabs, but not because kids are standing by the window.

I've heard that it's particularly undesirable in the winter when the radiator has a tendency to get so hot that you can easily get burned. Ouch.

[Around the Horn]

So based on the recent discussion, have they gone ahead and pooled the  and  fleet? (the R160As notwithstanding of course)

It does seem like the amounts of R46s and R32s on each line fluctuates daily...

[NoHacksJustKhaks]

2 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

So based on the recent discussion, have they gone ahead and pooled the  and  fleet? (the R160As notwithstanding of course)

It does seem like the amounts of R46s and R32s on each line fluctuates daily...

Not sure, but it may be likely from my usage. I'd imagine if so, then it's only temporary and might not continue once R179's arrive on the  (especially since the  is projected to be just R46's once all NTT's and R32's leave the line, at least to my knowledge). 

Edited August 27, 2018 by NoHacksJustKhaks

[MTA Bus]

9946-9943/9959-9962 is back on the (J). My friend saw it in service about a hour ago.

[Calvin]

3614-5 ENY to 207 St

[m7zanr160s]

On 9/1/2018 at 8:30 PM, Calvin said:

3614-5 ENY to 207 St

No way these cars are traveling in single sets, right?

[Calvin]

41 minutes ago, m7zanr160s said:

No way these cars are traveling in single sets, right?

Paired with other 6-car units. Just found out. 

[Coney Island Av]

7 hours ago, Calvin said:

Paired with other 6-car units. Just found out. 

So from what your saying, they're traveling in three R32 pairs (or six cars)?

If that's not the case, then what six-car units are you talking about?

[VIP]

I heard from an  line T/O that the R32’s are not going to Coney Island and that the  will have all 222 R32’s assigned to Pitkin/207th respectively until retirement. The R42’s on the other hand will make their way to Coney Island as spares, or rush hour put ins.

[Dan05979]

On 8/26/2018 at 4:25 PM, Jemorie said:

I think the  line crews and dispatchers hate the R32s for their older age, their half-width cabs, and those who tend to hog the RFW which leaves the T/Os unable to open their cabs wide open for their whole pick. It's why they tend not to have as many R32s on the line and is why to this very day, they still have around 5 sets of R32s on the . The R32s' blind faces also don't feature seats for C/Rs to sit down either. It's also why the  and  swap occurred in the summers of 2013 and 2014 before officially becoming permanent from the summer of 2015 onwards.

I do not think the  line crews and dispatchers care much about the R46s' lesser amount of doors causing longer boarding and dwelling times, because even if the  was half 60 footers, mostly 60 footers, or all 60 footers, it probably won't reduce much of the delays and bunching since ridership keeps on increasing as time passes, the  still has not decided to remove the numerous timers along the line, and keep the South Channel Drawbridge closed for the entire rush hour frame.

I know I'm talking too much here and overthinking here. I'm just saying that when it comes to the longest line in the system like the , it's fairly understandable why the line can't be perfect in terms of time performance and even speed too. Blame the timers and the aging signalling system (and to a lesser extent the passengers) for that. So whether the  has 60 footers, newer cars, overall better equipment or whatever, the  will always still fairly have problems along its route.

I'm telling you...the answer as to why a handful of R32s are still on the  is fairly obvious. What could we do?

Of course though, as you see my posts in the R179 Thread, I have no problem with trying to get as many 60 footers on the  as fast as possible.

I'm a A line operator and yes this is all true. WE ALL HATE THE 32'S except for the few who like them just because they're massive annoying buffs and are still living in the past.
MOST.OF.US.CREWS.ON.THE.A.HATE.THE.32 especially when going local for 2 whole trips. For the operator the cab seats are uncomfortable after a while, & your hand (left) and arms start bothering you too. Yes you can stand but who wants to be standing for 2 hours.
For the conductor, they have to stand the entire way because there is no seat in the #2 end where they operate from in a 10 car set, plus we could give 2 fks about more doors, "rail fan winders" "nostalgia" and whatever else comes with a 32.
Plus us operating crews cannot communicate with each other privately while on the road.  
Certain good dispatchers try to get rid of the 32's when rush hour is over and lay them up. Yes, even the dispatchers don't like the 32's
As far as operating with the cab door open the entire trip, some do it just to get fresh cool a/c that never reaches the cab for some reason, but as far as supervision is concerned, some do "frown" on that activity. 

My questions is, even though I'm hearing bad things about the 179, WHEN THE FK are they coming to the A? The longest line in the system. 
 

Edited September 4, 2018 by Dan05979

[NoHacksJustKhaks]

5 hours ago, Dan05979 said:

My questions is, even though I'm hearing bad things about the 179, WHEN THE FK are they coming to the A? The longest line in the system. 
 

All 5-car R179’s should arrive sometime in early 2019 (just before Canarsie shutdown), when all trains should be delivered and either testing or running on the line. 

[m2fwannabe]

On 9/2/2018 at 11:12 PM, m7zanr160s said:

No way these cars are traveling in single sets, right?

Not as a single pair but often times transfers are conducted as 4 or 6 car sets.  Drop 2 where intended and return with the rest.

I haven't yet come across anything to suggest other R-32 transfers have been made between ENY and 207, but will keep watching.

Given the nominal nature of R-160 transfers, the 9900's shown are probably back at ENY as part of a larger group.

[R32 3838]

On 9/4/2018 at 2:28 AM, Dan05979 said:

I'm a A line operator and yes this is all true. WE ALL HATE THE 32'S except for the few who like them just because they're massive annoying buffs and are still living in the past.
MOST.OF.US.CREWS.ON.THE.A.HATE.THE.32 especially when going local for 2 whole trips. For the operator the cab seats are uncomfortable after a while, & your hand (left) and arms start bothering you too. Yes you can stand but who wants to be standing for 2 hours.
For the conductor, they have to stand the entire way because there is no seat in the #2 end where they operate from in a 10 car set, plus we could give 2 fks about more doors, "rail fan winders" "nostalgia" and whatever else comes with a 32.
Plus us operating crews cannot communicate with each other privately while on the road.  
Certain good dispatchers try to get rid of the 32's when rush hour is over and lay them up. Yes, even the dispatchers don't like the 32's
As far as operating with the cab door open the entire trip, some do it just to get fresh cool a/c that never reaches the cab for some reason, but as far as supervision is concerned, some do "frown" on that activity. 

My questions is, even though I'm hearing bad things about the 179, WHEN THE FK are they coming to the A? The longest line in the system. 
 

Half the R32 fleet is staying on the A with the R179's.  The A is loosing R46's to the C

[Calvin]

I wonder in the future: would it be possible for both the  to run 1/2 R46s and R32s since they rotate units btwn 207 and Pitkin (if all the R160As are off the for now in swap for the remaining R32/42 at ENY)

Edited September 7, 2018 by Calvin

[R32 3838]

2 hours ago, Calvin said:

I wonder in the future: would it be possible for both the  to run 1/2 R46s and R32s since they rotate units btwn 207 and Pitkin (if all the R160As are off the for now in swap for the remaining R32/42 at ENY)

That's a possibility, i bet the will use some of those 10 car R179's as well.

[VIP]

33 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

That's a possibility, i bet the will use some of those 10 car R179's as well.

I don’t see why not. *plot twist* R179’s on the  with 10-car R32’s.  line: all R46...

[m2fwannabe]

Just got an R-32 fleet Update.  As of September 7, there were only 34 left at ENY; 188 at 207 Street.  Three trains fielded on this past Friday.

By August 31 (don't know exactly when), these were moved to 207:

3430/3431, 3500/3501, 3550/3551, 3628/3669, 3646/3647, 3672/3673, 3708/3709, 3828/3829, 3856/3857, 3894/3895, 3900/3901.

On or about September 4, these 10 followed:  3376/3377, 3396/3397, 3406/3407, 3426/3427, 3442/3443.

Curiously, these were the "lowest" 10 then remaining at ENY, which may indicate more numerically tidy transfers until all are gone.

At ENY as of September 7 were:  3454/3455, 3578/3579, 3650/3767, 3670/3671, 3698/3699, 3716/3717, 3736/3737, 3773/3773, 3774/3775, 3778/3779, 3780/3781, 3870/3871, 3886/3887, 3912/3913, 3938/3939.

[m2fwannabe]

And BTW, the eight R-160A's cited above are indeed the only ones back at ENY so far (9943-46 and 9959-62).

[R32MB]

On ‎9‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 1:44 AM, m2fwannabe said:

As of September 7, there were only 34 left at ENY

 

At ENY as of September 7 were:  3454/3455, 3578/3579, 3650/3767, 3670/3671, 3698/3699, 3716/3717, 3736/3737, 3773/3773, 3774/3775, 3778/3779, 3780/3781, 3870/3871, 3886/3887, 3912/3913, 3938/3939.

There are only 30 cars listed, not 34. What numbers are the other 4?

Edited September 11, 2018 by R32MB

[Coney Island Av]

1 hour ago, R32MB said:

There are only 30 cars listed, not 34. What numbers are the other 4?

3476-3477 and 3726-3727. 

[m2fwannabe]

 

10 hours ago, R32MB said:

There are only 30 cars listed, not 34. What numbers are the other 4?

I have 3476/3477 and 3664/3665.  Missed their check marks in the margin.  Sorry...

[m2fwannabe]

R-32 fleet update, September 17:

3430/3431, 3628/3669, 3856/3857 are back at East New York.  Fleet @ ENY is now 40 (5 trains).  On September 20 there were 4 8-car trains on .

There are 182 R-32's at 207 Street.

On September 20 there were 9 10-car trains on and 6 8-car trains on (138 total).

[VIP]

4 hours ago, m2fwannabe said:

R-32 fleet update, September 17:

3430/3431, 3628/3669, 3856/3857 are back at East New York.  Fleet @ ENY is now 40 (5 trains).  On September 20 there were 4 8-car trains on .

There are 182 R-32's at 207 Street.

On September 20 there were 9 10-car trains on and 6 8-car trains on (138 total).

3430-3431/3669-3628/3856-3857 NEVER left East New York in the first place. 

[m2fwannabe]

On 9/21/2018 at 2:04 PM, VIP said:

3430-3431/3669-3628/3856-3857 NEVER left East New York in the first place. 

They were indeed listed at 207 Street on September 4.  Could have been one of those infamous "paper" transfers, but they were definitely shown.

First hand observations can always help to confirm or debunk such things, if there are enough eyes out there observing--and sharing.

 

[m2fwannabe]

And on September 21 there were four more at 207:  3664/3665 and 3772/3773.

That would leave 36 at ENY and 186 at 207.

Another list (same date) has eight R-32's out for SMS:  3550/3551, 3664/3665, 3672/3673 and 3708/3709.

All are attributed (assigned) to 207 Street while in the shop.  Let's see where they pop up when finished.