ConcourseExp Posted November 11, 2014 Share #1 Posted November 11, 2014 Why is the always on the line because of signal problems, a situation at a station along Lexington Avenue, or because of a train with mechanical issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 11, 2014 Share #2 Posted November 11, 2014 For the same reason you see the A and C run through Rutgers or the N via the West End, to keep the trains moving and minimize the overall inconvenience for riders. Rather than have a series of 5 trains backed up to the terminal because of a situation on the Lex, they'll reroute them up 7th Avenue so the Bronx and Brooklyn don't have to suffer as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 11, 2014 Share #3 Posted November 11, 2014 Why is the always on the line because of signal problems, a situation at a station along Lexington Avenue, or because of a train with mechanical issues? The , and many IND/BMT B Divsion lines get re-routed to a different corridor whenever something happens on their normal regular branch/trunk corridors. It's always been that way. As the mod said above, keeping trains moving and providing service is better than delay-prone or even worst, no through service at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted November 11, 2014 Share #4 Posted November 11, 2014 that why they put "Switches" in certain spots to help keep the train moving in any disruptive event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstar1 Posted November 12, 2014 Share #5 Posted November 12, 2014 Sometimes 2 run 5 line too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted November 14, 2014 Share #6 Posted November 14, 2014 So when the train gets to the terminal it can get back to its' proper route on the return trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 14, 2014 Share #7 Posted November 14, 2014 I thought they did work on the line to allow for more capacity? Why would there still be so many problems on the line? IThe line always seems to be a mess, especially on weekends. So much track work and there doesn't seem to be any improvement in service. The last two weekends, the has been knocked out. I've been seeing Shuttle Buses running through Morris Park while I've been on the express bus heading to a tutoring session. They should do something about capacity on the lines as well. They need more trains. They try to provide trains to deal with the overflow, but folks need the since it goes past Harlem and into the Bronx. I can see the train gaining significant ridership as the South Bronx slowly (and I mean slowly) gentrifies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 14, 2014 Share #8 Posted November 14, 2014 I thought they did work on the line to allow for more capacity? Why would there still be so many problems on the line? IThe line always seems to be a mess, especially on weekends. So much track work and there doesn't seem to be any improvement in service. The last two weekends, the has been knocked out. I've been seeing Shuttle Buses running through Morris Park while I've been on the express bus heading to a tutoring session. They should do something about capacity on the lines as well. They need more trains. They try to provide trains to deal with the overflow, but folks need the since it goes past Harlem and into the Bronx. I can see the train gaining significant ridership as the South Bronx slowly (and I mean slowly) gentrifies... The main issue is Nostrand Junction at this point. Until it gets fixed, trains that are crossing over to another train line will block basically all other movements in and out of the junction, and a fix would take a few billion that we don't have and some very disruptive changes during more than just the nights and weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 14, 2014 Share #9 Posted November 14, 2014 The main issue is Nostrand Junction at this point. Until it gets fixed, trains that are crossing over to another train line will block basically all other movements in and out of the junction, and a fix would take a few billion that we don't have and some very disruptive changes during more than just the nights and weekends. Yeah but what does that have to do with service in the Bronx on the line that they knock out service so much on weekends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted November 14, 2014 Share #10 Posted November 14, 2014 Yeah but what does that have to do with service in the Bronx on the line that they knock out service so much on weekends? They are doing track work up there which means trains can't run over there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 14, 2014 Share #11 Posted November 14, 2014 They are doing track work up there which means trains can't run over there For what purpose? More capacity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 15, 2014 Share #12 Posted November 15, 2014 Nope. Until service capacity is improved at the other choke points (Mott Haven, Rogers Junctions and Flatbush terminal), there isn't much that can be done currently to increase overall service on the Lexington Ave line. What's going on along the Dyre line is track replacement and rebuilding along with signal replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sovetskii52 Posted November 15, 2014 Share #13 Posted November 15, 2014 One of the reasons why the gets rerouted via and vise verso in Manhattan during problems is because they share tracks (lines) in the Bronx and in Brooklyn. In other words, they will still end up at their regular terminals by running on separate lines in Manhattan. So, it's a good alternative to avoid getting delayed and still ending up at the appropriate terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 15, 2014 Share #14 Posted November 15, 2014 Nope. Until service capacity is improved at the other choke points (Mott Haven, Rogers Junctions and Flatbush terminal), there isn't much that can be done currently to increase overall service on the Lexington Ave line. What's going on along the Dyre line is track replacement and rebuilding along with signal replacement. That's ridiculous. They should be doing something about this now in addition to building the 2nd Avenue subway because the Lex line will continue to suffer from overcrowding given the stops that it makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 16, 2014 Share #15 Posted November 16, 2014 That's ridiculous. They should be doing something about this now in addition to building the 2nd Avenue subway because the Lex line will continue to suffer from overcrowding given the stops that it makes. Solving any of those problems would run into the hundreds of millions or possibly billions, with extreme disruptions to service while the projects were ongoing. In terms of pain, the only service-related construction that would be worse would be the Manhattan Bridge closures. Grade separation and tunneling is expensive business, and CBTC hasn't been proven to work yet on a large trunk line, which is why we're testing it out on Queens Blvd first. You might actually have to wait for the SAS though; the main track capacity limit of the Lex is the riders themselves. Crowding is so severe that at certain locations (125th, GCT, Union Sq) trains cannot meet scheduled times due to longer boarding/disembarking, and as a result the and run about 25 or 27 TPH during the peak hour, when they could be running 29. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 16, 2014 Share #16 Posted November 16, 2014 The gets just as crowded compared to the and though, so why should the expresses run much more frequently than the local? The and combined have 24 tph. The and combined have 24 tph. Combined both express and local, that gives 48 tph. Why not treat them all equally? Matter of fact, if anything, the should run more than the and , since it doesn't interact with them and the only bottleneck problem is the amount of switching and relaying at Parkchester due to the alternating trains there. The and are delayed prone due to the aforementioned bottlenecks and/or interacting with two other lines. Yeah, I know we're currently talking about rush hours here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 16, 2014 Share #17 Posted November 16, 2014 The gets just as crowded compared to the and though, so why should the expresses run much more frequently than the local? The and combined have 24 tph. The and combined have 24 tph. Combined both express and local, that gives 48 tph. Why not treat them all equally? Matter of fact, if anything, the should run more than the and , since it doesn't interact with them and the only bottleneck problem is the amount of switching and relaying at Parkchester due to the alternating trains there. The and are delayed prone due to the aforementioned bottlenecks and/or interacting with two other lines. Yeah, I know we're currently talking about rush hours here. They should all run more frequently. The actually cut back service on the during off-peak periods, but then for a while they were encouraging people to use the due to the delays on the and ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juelz4309 Posted December 6, 2014 Share #18 Posted December 6, 2014 Another Problem I notice with the 2/5 as they are my home lines (225/WPR) Its seems that the towers dont know what trains are actually coming or arriving ....Without fail the "5" from 238 ALWAYS holds at Bronx Pk East And again at 149/GC-...usually much longer than the hold at bx pk east...My theory is that they have to check out the line MUCH further down the line to determine whether to run Express as normal or Local from 180 (rare tho I must say) Or possible reroute down the westside when it comes to 149/GC.... In all honesty with the wait times at bx pk east...the merge south of jackson (UGH!)..and 149/GC...it really cancels out the time gained by runnning express from 180...but I ride the 5 becuase it is a Fast ride And it mentally "feels" not as long lol.....not to mention the one seat ride to midtown east.. One more thing...It just baffles me when I watch native New Yorkers Get all Fvked up when they reroute either lines down either side of manhattan....If its a "5" goin down 7th Ave then Its just became a 2 Train...vice versa when its a "2" down Lex...its just became a 5 train... Figure out where ur goin and Take it easy lol...Either way ur gonna end up at Flatbush Albeit the westside is longer which Is why I opt for the eastside....Jus sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Dude Posted December 8, 2014 Share #19 Posted December 8, 2014 If they do reroute the over and vice versa, how do they survive? Thats probably over 30 TPH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted December 8, 2014 Share #20 Posted December 8, 2014 If they do reroute the over and vice versa, how do they survive? Thats probably over 30 TPH. I don't think the operates as much as you think... But if it does, I think they could have the wait at 148 or 145 Street until there is room for it. And if necessary, add more trains to New lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted December 8, 2014 Share #21 Posted December 8, 2014 @MTA Dude and MysteriousBtrain As I once said last time, headways all become adjusted whenever reroutes occur. For example, 6 trains, 6 trains and 6 trains - all within 10 minutes apart - in each hour. It all depends on the rider and the time of the day. With 18 trains per hour on the 7th Ave branch should be of no problem. Yes, it's a bit of a tight squeeze compared to the . So that means having the extend to New Lots or alternating between Utica and New Lots is completely unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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