R211 Discussion Thread

[jon2305]

Take into account, look how long it took for the pilot R211A to start it's revenue service from it's delivery dates in 2021. Almost 2 years. As stated before these cars come with new technological, operational and mechanical component features. Shop employees, transit crews have to learn the equipment and have a better understanding of the trains features and track movements going forward. It's all a matter of right timing and maintaining a close and consistent working relationship with Kawasaki railcar.

[R32 3838]

No wonder why i didn't see any R211s in service. I was wondering why i didn't see any, Oh well. I hope they get the issues resolved.

[Kamen Rider]

2 hours ago, zacster said:

And what will they be doing between now and then with it?  It's already been tested, hasn't it?  Why wait another six months?

For the Staten Island team, this is quantum leap forward. 
 

there are so many thing those of us on the mainline subway take for granted that they have never seen before from an operating perspective. 
 

I needed one day to learn the 211s

T/O classes are two days.

 

SIRTOA is probably going to be a full week.

even the simple things.

Like, say, do the SIR R44s have enablers? 

 

[zacster]

Ok, got it. 

[Lawrence St]

4 hours ago, RedLine said:

They can't test cab signaling on NYC Subway trackage

Do we have cab signaling on NYC Subway Trackage...?

[Transit Fans]

On 10/16/2023 at 12:32 PM, Kamen Rider said:

Update, apparently at least one is working. The word in the crew rooms was there was a fault in the computers that needed correction.

 

the pilot set is currently platformed at 207.

At least it’s not a major issue compared to the R179 that had doors open automatically,  cars splitting and slippery controls. The best thing about the R211A is that this minor issues it’s happening around the delivery of the production cars. The R179 issues happen after all subway cars got delivered. Good thing they all had 6 sets to pull than 318 like the R179. 

[Kamen Rider]

8 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Do we have cab signaling on NYC Subway Trackage...?

Obviously not. Hence why it needs more testing over there.

[Lawrence St]

3 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Obviously not. Hence why it needs more testing over there.

It was a rhetorical question for him to answer.

[MJHmarc]

 R211 - 4162, 4163 & 4164 Delivered to SBK

 

[Transit Fans]

9 hours ago, MJHmarc said:

 R211 - 4162, 4163 & 4164 Delivered to SBK

 

Great normally if the R211 is out of service the MTA would pause the delivery. 

[Kamen Rider]

6 minutes ago, Transit Fans said:

Great normally if the R211 is out of service the MTA would pause the delivery. 

Considering the hammer only just came down a couple days ago…

those cars would have already left Lincoln by that point.

Can’t exactly tell the drivers to turn around or sit and do nothing till whatever is wrong is fixed. 
 

also to my knowledge everything that has been problematic with the 211s is software related. This isn’t like Bombardier screwing up the 179s so bad the first 10 had to be scrapped.

 

[FLX9304]

32 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

Considering the hammer only just came down a couple days ago…

those cars would have already left Lincoln by that point.

Can’t exactly tell the drivers to turn around or sit and do nothing till whatever is wrong is fixed. 
 

also to my knowledge everything that has been problematic with the 211s is software related. This isn’t like Bombardier screwing up the 179s so bad the first 10 had to be scrapped.

 

With R179s that was the builder’s fault. They had to rebuild the same 10 cars from scratch and gave the  20 free cars due to late deliveries and other issues that plagued them. 
 

with the R211s, they need good motherboards. The  and  must be prepared for sub freezing temps that will effect the already in service trains and trains entering service soon. Computers just like those on your phone can freeze up and batteries die real quick during cold weathers when you are outside. 
 

All older new tech trains went thru the same issues as R211s but their chips were fully ok from that day on. During snow days, many subways lay underground just in case. 

[slantfan4281]

On 10/18/2023 at 1:14 AM, Kamen Rider said:

For the Staten Island team, this is quantum leap forward. 
 

there are so many thing those of us on the mainline subway take for granted that they have never seen before from an operating perspective. 
 

I needed one day to learn the 211s

T/O classes are two days.

 

SIRTOA is probably going to be a full week.

even the simple things.

Like, say, do the SIR R44s have enablers? 

 

Are they going to deliver production sets before the 30 day test? On one hand it would make sense since you would have more cars to train people, but it could also make modifying fixes more difficult

[djtoro7]

1 hour ago, slantfan4281 said:

Are they going to deliver production sets before the 30 day test? On one hand it would make sense since you would have more cars to train people, but it could also make modifying fixes more difficult

It has always been the industry standard to train crews on the pilot set (prototype) for each car class that has been built. But you never know.

[Calvin]

4160, 4161: delivered to the MTA NYC Subway system, aside from 3 other cars yesterday 4162-4164. Currently at the Brooklyn Terminal by Sunset Park, B35 bus area. 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Calvin

[R32 3838]

All of these issues were to be expected, covid screwed up a lot of things so there were going to be QC issues from the jump. thankfully it's not that bad but to expect these trains to be 100% perfect, you must be delusional.

[Transit Fans]

On 10/18/2023 at 7:37 PM, Kamen Rider said:

Considering the hammer only just came down a couple days ago…

those cars would have already left Lincoln by that point.

Can’t exactly tell the drivers to turn around or sit and do nothing till whatever is wrong is fixed. 
 

also to my knowledge everything that has been problematic with the 211s is software related. This isn’t like Bombardier screwing up the 179s so bad the first 10 had to be scrapped.

 

Yep the Bombardier were a mess from back in 2014 when the first 10 car set of R179 was supposed to arrive. Then it was push for 2 years almost because is some welding issues. Don’t understand why people keep comparing the R211 with these. At least everything that’s happening with the R211 is mostly software issues. Plus the problem are starting early compare to the R179 it happens after they receive all 318 cars and before the start of the first 10 set cars. 

[Transit Fans]

8 hours ago, Calvin said:

4160, 4161: delivered to the MTA NYC Subway system, aside from 3 other cars yesterday 4162-4164. Currently at the Brooklyn Terminal by Sunset Park, B35 bus area. 

That’s going to be a total of 105 cars of R211A in the property. 

[Transit Fans]

On 10/18/2023 at 8:18 PM, FLX9304 said:

With R179s that was the builder’s fault. They had to rebuild the same 10 cars from scratch and gave the  20 free cars due to late deliveries and other issues that plagued them. 
 

with the R211s, they need good motherboards. The  and  must be prepared for sub freezing temps that will effect the already in service trains and trains entering service soon. Computers just like those on your phone can freeze up and batteries die real quick during cold weathers when you are outside. 
 

All older new tech trains went thru the same issues as R211s but their chips were fully ok from that day on. During snow days, many subways lay underground just in case. 

I think 100 free cars would have being better. Since the Bombardier really mess up with some many delays. Also the R32 and R42 had to come out of retirement to help out the R179 back in January 2020 and June 2020. Compare to the R211A they also sidelined the 6 sets of production cars. By next month they will all come back strong like the pilot set. These R211 are going to rock and be much more reliable. 

[NJTE]

just some small teething issues with the 211s, every train has had them at one point.

[FLX9304]

21 hours ago, Calvin said:

4160, 4161: delivered to the MTA NYC Subway system, aside from 3 other cars yesterday 4162-4164. Currently at the Brooklyn Terminal by Sunset Park, B35 bus area. 

That means 4165-4169 are next to arrive soon 

[FLX9304]

13 hours ago, Transit Fans said:

That’s going to be a total of 105 cars of R211A in the property. 

New cars arrive 5 per week or 20 cars per month. By December, the R211s arriving should be in the 4200s 

Edited October 20, 2023 by FLX9304

[Lawrence St]

On 10/18/2023 at 7:37 PM, Kamen Rider said:

Considering the hammer only just came down a couple days ago…

those cars would have already left Lincoln by that point.

Can’t exactly tell the drivers to turn around or sit and do nothing till whatever is wrong is fixed. 
 

also to my knowledge everything that has been problematic with the 211s is software related. This isn’t like Bombardier screwing up the 179s so bad the first 10 had to be scrapped.

 

Speaking of, was that original pilot ever delivered to the system, or was it scrapped and it was the second pilot that kept getting sent back and forth between the factory?

[Comrade96]

48 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Speaking of, was that original pilot ever delivered to the system, or was it scrapped and it was the second pilot that kept getting sent back and forth between the factory?

the original pilot was scrapped

[Lawrence St]

Can someone confirm if the pilot is still running around?