LGA Link N Train Posted February 5, 2020 Share #8601 Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: I don't really get how one follows the other. We've tried the as a standalone local train before, and it was so bad that they jury-rigged a bad 11th St connection, and then a worse 63rd St connection, to try and fix the issue. What I’m trying to say is that if a Northern Blvd Line can be built, it should start off as a extension since it’d be the easiest line to connect in the short term. It could end at either Junction Blvd or Main Street to connect with the . That’ll be the first phase. Then as the line eventually gets extended and SAS lines get involved, the would then be replaced on Northern Blvd with the via a new 10th Avenue-50th (or 57th) Street Extension via a rebuilt 11th Street cut. Which then allows you to re-extend the via 21st Street. Edited February 5, 2020 by LaGuardia Link N Tra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 11, 2020 Share #8602 Posted February 11, 2020 How do other systems around the world manage with 2 tracks? if something goes wrong, do they lose significant capacity like NYC’s subway? If they can operate efficiently with just single-tracking to bypass the problems, would this disprove the need for road-like redundancy in rail? And if so, what technologies are they using and how do they manage their operations? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italianstallion Posted February 12, 2020 Share #8603 Posted February 12, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 6:31 PM, Jova42R said: How expensive would it be to make a light rail in the service road/median of the HH Parkway in Riverdale, then link it to Manhattan? (See map below) https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Pqspe1rMgN28JdgoqhpzHN7Qef81COTv&usp=sharing Would this be feasible? Do you have any idea how narrow the HH Parkway ROW is? No way could any tracks fit there, even if elevated. Also, the route on your map to and from Riverdale MNRR station goes through what's called the "estate area." No way those residents would want rail on their streets. And the grades uphill from MNRR would also be impossible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 12, 2020 Share #8604 Posted February 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Italianstallion said: Do you have any idea how narrow the HH Parkway ROW is? It would be on the service road. 4 minutes ago, Italianstallion said: Also, the route on your map to and from Riverdale MNRR station goes through what's called the "estate area." No way those residents would want rail on their streets. So then run it on an alternative route? Doesn't the Hudson Rail Link run there? This, as discussed earlier, could be BRT. 7 minutes ago, Italianstallion said: And the grades uphill from MNRR would also be impossible. The Hudson Rail Link runs there - It could be BRT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 12, 2020 Share #8605 Posted February 12, 2020 Would it be feasible to make a Roosevelt Island to Manhattan BRT (via RFK Bridge), making no stops? Or is that just another one of my pie-in-the-sky ideas (there are many!)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted February 12, 2020 Share #8606 Posted February 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, Jova42R said: Would it be feasible to make a Roosevelt Island to Manhattan BRT (via RFK Bridge), making no stops? Or is that just another one of my pie-in-the-sky ideas (there are many!)? I don't really see a demand for this- the serves Manhattan from 3rd and west, and for 2nd to the river you have the tram. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted February 12, 2020 Share #8607 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, CenSin said: How do other systems around the world manage with 2 tracks? if something goes wrong, do they lose significant capacity like NYC’s subway? If they can operate efficiently with just single-tracking to bypass the problems, would this disprove the need for road-like redundancy in rail? And if so, what technologies are they using and how do they manage their operations? They don't operate at night, usually They might be built as separate tubes with single-tracking, so one track can be worked on without the possibility of a train hitting a worker (Copenhagen) They schedule major shutdowns during holiday periods when people are either not working and traveling (Christmas) or when people are using their state-mandated weeks of vacation (August), with bus bridges for the few people traveling during that time Example: Paris shut down the RER A, the busiest rail line in the Western world, for a month straight in the summer of 2018 https://www.ratp.fr/en/rer-a-summer-work/faq-rer-a-summer-work Edited February 12, 2020 by bobtehpanda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italianstallion Posted February 12, 2020 Share #8608 Posted February 12, 2020 22 hours ago, Jova42R said: It would be on the service road. So then run it on an alternative route? Doesn't the Hudson Rail Link run there? This, as discussed earlier, could be BRT. The Hudson Rail Link runs there - It could be BRT. Do you know how narrow the service road is? One driving lane plus one parking lane. Hudson Rail Link has teeny tiny buses, not suitable for BRT. Big buses would have a real problem on the narrow, curvy, steep streets. I know, I live a few blocks away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted February 13, 2020 Share #8609 Posted February 13, 2020 @RR503 or @R68OnBroadway, on the subject of the Broadway Line north of 57 St-7 Av, how come the didn't acknowledge back then that they could have planned two tracks on West 60th Street and another two on West 59th Street? This would have connected the outermost tracks to/from Queens Blvd and the innermost tracks to/from Astoria, with crossovers south of 59-Lex for today's service to use for Broadway Local service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted February 13, 2020 Share #8610 Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Jemorie said: @RR503 or @R68OnBroadway, on the subject of the Broadway Line north of 57 St-7 Av, how come the didn't acknowledge back then that they could have planned two tracks on West 60th Street and another two on West 59th Street? This would have connected the outermost tracks to/from Queens Blvd and the innermost tracks to/from Astoria, with crossovers south of 59-Lex for today's service to use for Broadway Local service. Because they didn't build it? The BMT and have jack shit to do with each other in terms of the planning staff common between either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted February 13, 2020 Share #8611 Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: Because they didn't build it? The BMT and have jack shit to do with each other in terms of the planning staff common between either. Whatever. But I doubt it’s because “they didn’t build it”. While the original plan (in this case, the BMT) was for one track to run under West 59th Street and the other on West 60th Street (before they changed it to both tracks running on West 60th Street instead), I still wonder that the thought process of the BMT for two tracks (and two island platforms) on West 60th Street and West 59th Street respectively (even before deciding to build them) could have been there. That’s all I was asking. That underpass at the 59th Street area is...trash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted February 13, 2020 Share #8612 Posted February 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Jemorie said: @RR503 or @R68OnBroadway, on the subject of the Broadway Line north of 57 St-7 Av, how come the didn't acknowledge back then that they could have planned two tracks on West 60th Street and another two on West 59th Street? This would have connected the outermost tracks to/from Queens Blvd and the innermost tracks to/from Astoria, with crossovers south of 59-Lex for today's service to use for Broadway Local service. The 11th street cut to QBL wasn’t built until 1955, so when the initial line was built, the idea was for expresses->57th(plan for a later extension north) and locals -> Astoria. Given that, two tracks was fine. After the connection was built, it wasn’t necessary to build two more tracks since the tracks would be shared come from Broadway local anyways. If you want to fix the capacity crunch, you just need to send the up 2nd and swap the and northern terminals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemorie Posted February 13, 2020 Share #8613 Posted February 13, 2020 53 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said: The 11th street cut to QBL wasn’t built until 1955, so when the initial line was built, the idea was for expresses->57th(plan for a later extension north) and locals -> Astoria. Given that, two tracks was fine. After the connection was built, it wasn’t necessary to build two more tracks since the tracks would be shared come from Broadway local anyways. If you want to fix the capacity crunch, you just need to send the up 2nd and swap the and northern terminals. I guess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 14, 2020 Share #8614 Posted February 14, 2020 How much would it cost to rebuild the Nassau to Manhattan Bridge connection? I think that a service from Chambers St to Coney Island via 4 Av Local and Sea Beach Express would be a MASSIVE benefit to crowding on the . My proposal: Nassau St Local 4 Av Local Sea Beach Express BOLDED = stops all times UNDERLINED = stops only during rush hours NORMAL = stops during non-rush hour and weekends/nights Broad St Fulton St non-rush trains start at Chambers, rush hours extended to Broad Chambers St Mott St after the new station at Mott st, it would run via the tracks on the Bridge uses tracks to Atlantic during rush hour. DeKalb Av Atlantic Av LIRR Union St 4 Av-9 St Prospect Av 25 St 36 St 45 St 59 St peak direction express 8 Av to Kings Hwy 8 Av Fort Hamilton Pkwy New Utrecht Av - 62 St 18 Av 20 Av Bay Pkwy Kings Hwy all trains run express Kings Hwy to Coney Island all trains stop on the local track at Kings Hwy unless island platforms are built. Coney Island Thoughts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 14, 2020 Share #8615 Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Jova42R said: How much would it cost to rebuild the Nassau to Manhattan Bridge connection? I think that a service from Chambers St to Coney Island via 4 Av Local and Sea Beach Express would be a MASSIVE benefit to crowding on the . My proposal: Nassau St Local 4 Av Local Sea Beach Express BOLDED = stops all times UNDERLINED = stops only during rush hours NORMAL = stops during non-rush hour and weekends/nights Broad St Fulton St non-rush trains start at Chambers, rush hours extended to Broad Chambers St Mott St after the new station at Mott st, it would run via the tracks on the Bridge uses tracks to Atlantic during rush hour. DeKalb Av Atlantic Av LIRR Union St 4 Av-9 St Prospect Av 25 St 36 St 45 St 59 St peak direction express 8 Av to Kings Hwy 8 Av Fort Hamilton Pkwy New Utrecht Av - 62 St 18 Av 20 Av Bay Pkwy Kings Hwy all trains run express Kings Hwy to Coney Island all trains stop on the local track at Kings Hwy unless island platforms are built. Coney Island Thoughts? It’s completely unnecessary to do this. And it will completely kneecap service, which are already hampered enough by the merge at 34th St and Gold St (DeKalb) Junction. And why duplicate the in Brooklyn? Edited February 14, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 14, 2020 Share #8616 Posted February 14, 2020 9 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: It’s completely unnecessary to do this. And it will completely kneecap service, which are already hampered enough by the merge at 34th St and Gold St (DeKalb) Junction. And why duplicate the in Brooklyn? So that Sea Beach can have an express service. Also, the could just run via 4 Av Local tp Bay Ridge or via Sea Beach 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 14, 2020 Share #8617 Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) This service wouldn’t really be much of an express if it runs local on 4th Avenue and has to merge with the at an already overtaxed DeKalb Junction and has to cross in front of trains traveling in the opposite direction. Even less so during off-hours when it would be skipping only 86th St and Avenue U on the Sea Beach Line. Edited February 14, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jova42R Posted February 15, 2020 Share #8618 Posted February 15, 2020 5 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: This service wouldn’t really be much of an express if it runs local on 4th Avenue and has to merge with the at an already overtaxed DeKalb Junction and has to cross in front of trains traveling in the opposite direction. Even less so during off-hours when it would be skipping only 86th St and Avenue U on the Sea Beach Line. It could run 4 Av express south of 36th. Also, possibly, they could build new switches, and then it would run express from 8th to New Utrecht on the Bay Ridge Branch line 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonyboy515 Posted February 15, 2020 Share #8619 Posted February 15, 2020 21 hours ago, Jova42R said: How much would it cost to rebuild the Nassau to Manhattan Bridge connection? I think that a service from Chambers St to Coney Island via 4 Av Local and Sea Beach Express would be a MASSIVE benefit to crowding on the . My proposal: Nassau St Local 4 Av Local Sea Beach Express BOLDED = stops all times UNDERLINED = stops only during rush hours NORMAL = stops during non-rush hour and weekends/nights Broad St Fulton St non-rush trains start at Chambers, rush hours extended to Broad Chambers St Mott St after the new station at Mott st, it would run via the tracks on the Bridge uses tracks to Atlantic during rush hour. DeKalb Av Atlantic Av LIRR Union St 4 Av-9 St Prospect Av 25 St 36 St 45 St 59 St peak direction express 8 Av to Kings Hwy 8 Av Fort Hamilton Pkwy New Utrecht Av - 62 St 18 Av 20 Av Bay Pkwy Kings Hwy all trains run express Kings Hwy to Coney Island all trains stop on the local track at Kings Hwy unless island platforms are built. Coney Island Thoughts? Wouldn't it be way more straight forward to just have this run with the R to Bay Ridge like the /brown R did? And to be honest, the Manhattan Bridge connection would disrupt DeKalb more than it already is... Speaking of which, I remember when Bay Ridge residents wanted to split the R for additional service (that was a while ago), and maybe what I said above can be a good candidate to coincide with the . Thoughts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 15, 2020 Share #8620 Posted February 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, Tonyboy515 said: Wouldn't it be way more straight forward to just have this run with the R to Bay Ridge like the /brown R did? And to be honest, the Manhattan Bridge connection would disrupt DeKalb more than it already is... Speaking of which, I remember when Bay Ridge residents wanted to split the R for additional service (that was a while ago), and maybe what I said above can be a good candidate to coincide with the . Thoughts? There are additional trains on Broadway local, and they are currently terminating at South Ferry cutting the service to Brooklyn. Extend those trains and you have solved the problem of “not enough service between Lower Manhattan and Bay Ridge.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted February 15, 2020 Share #8621 Posted February 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Tonyboy515 said: Wouldn't it be way more straight forward to just have this run with the R to Bay Ridge like the /brown R did? And to be honest, the Manhattan Bridge connection would disrupt DeKalb more than it already is... I basically proposed this with the Nassau Loop Line in the past, where it would run via the tunnel to Manhattan and via the Bridge to Brooklyn, with only the Brooklyn-bound track reconnected to the Nassau Line on the bridge (with 95th Street being the sole terminal for the line though Chambers would technically be the northern terminal. Trains would only stop northbound at Jay-Metrotech, Court, Broad, Fulton and Nassau and go right back to Brooklyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 15, 2020 Share #8622 Posted February 15, 2020 9 hours ago, Wallyhorse said: I basically proposed this with the Nassau Loop Line in the past, where it would run via the tunnel to Manhattan and via the Bridge to Brooklyn, with only the Brooklyn-bound track reconnected to the Nassau Line on the bridge (with 95th Street being the sole terminal for the line though Chambers would technically be the northern terminal. Trains would only stop northbound at Jay-Metrotech, Court, Broad, Fulton and Nassau and go right back to Brooklyn. Do you remember what was said in the community? I can’t find the discussions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted February 16, 2020 Share #8623 Posted February 16, 2020 11 hours ago, CenSin said: Do you remember what was said in the community? I can’t find the discussions. It think it was not well received as I had revived it originally when we had the pols in Bay Ridge wanting the to become more reliable. I had later adjusted that into a 95th-Essex Street line that would based out of East New York where yard runs would be in-service to and from there after feedback. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted February 17, 2020 Share #8624 Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/14/2020 at 8:44 PM, Wallyhorse said: I basically proposed this with the Nassau Loop Line in the past, where it would run via the tunnel to Manhattan and via the Bridge to Brooklyn, with only the Brooklyn-bound track reconnected to the Nassau Line on the bridge (with 95th Street being the sole terminal for the line though Chambers would technically be the northern terminal. Trains would only stop northbound at Jay-Metrotech, Court, Broad, Fulton and Nassau and go right back to Brooklyn. The problems with one-way loops are that they are basically only convenient 50% of the time, which cuts ridership potential. Terminating at Essex would be better and require less construction, since I don't think such a local line needs to be all that busy and need two full terminating tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted February 17, 2020 Share #8625 Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: The problems with one-way loops are that they are basically only convenient 50% of the time, which cuts ridership potential. Terminating at Essex would be better and require less construction, since I don't think such a local line needs to be all that busy and need two full terminating tracks. And that is what did I later on proposed (95th-Essex at all times), along with my idea for a split that would between them run from 95th to Jamaica Center, with both lines terminating at Chambvers ( from Jamaica Center-Chambers with a few rush hour trains to Broad, from Chambers-95th Street at all times that would eliminate the late-night shuttle since those needing Whitehall specifically could switch to the anywhere between 59th and Court). Edited February 17, 2020 by Wallyhorse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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