Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

[Armandito]

Made edits to this map based on these revised service changes:

12 hours ago, Armandito said:

Weekdays:

- 95 St to Chambers St

- 71 Av to Metropolitan Av

- 96 St to Stillwell Av via Bridge (express in Manhattan and Brooklyn)

- 71 Av to Canal St or Whitehall St

- Ditmars Blvd to 95 St

 

Weekends:

- 95 St to Metropolitan Av (replaces service)

- No service, use

- Ditmars Blvd to Stillwell Av via Bridge (local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn)

- 71 Av to Whitehall St

- No service, use  in Queens; in Manhattan; in Brooklyn

 

Late nights:

- 95 St to Chambers St; shuttle between Myrtle Av/Broadway and Metropolitan Av (relabeled service)

- No service, use

- Ditmars Blvd to Stillwell Av via Tunnel (local only)

- No service, use in Queens; in Manhattan

- No service, use

 

service is unchanged

[Armandito]

(See above post for proposed service changes)

Edited August 27, 2020 by Armandito
Transfer added at Canal St; misspelling of "Broadway" corrected

[F O O L]

4 hours ago, Armandito said:

(See above post for proposed service changes)

Instead of having three services down the 60th street tunnel and Broadway local, I think it would be more efficient to have a QBL train down 63rd. Perhaps have both broadway express trains head towards 63rd street with the  on queens boulevard local and the  on Astoria. If you wanna fully deinterline, you could even switch the M and F north of Rockefeller so that all locals (the  and in this case) go via 63rd (The only flaw with this part is that it cuts off local service from Queens Plaza and if thats a concern then we could do without the  swap) 

[F O O L]

My apologies, I forgot to account for  yard access in my last comment. If thats an issue, then perhaps just keep your map the same but have  go via 63rd street and  via Broadway express and potentially consider the  swap mentioned above.

[Armandito]

5 minutes ago, F O O L said:

Instead of having three services down the 60th street tunnel and Broadway local, I think it would be more efficient to have a QBL train down 63rd. Perhaps have both broadway express trains head towards 63rd street with the  on queens boulevard local and the  on Astoria. If you wanna fully deinterline, you could even switch the M and F north of Rockefeller so that all locals (the  and in this case) go via 63rd (The only flaw with this part is that it cuts off local service from Queens Plaza and if thats a concern then we could do without the  swap) 

According to my proposed service plan, the will serve Astoria during nights and weekends only, when trains are not running (so there would only be two services via 59th Street). On weekdays trains operate to 96th Street.

[F O O L]

4 minutes ago, Armandito said:

According to my proposed service plan, the will serve Astoria during nights and weekends only, when trains are not running (so there would only be two services via 59th Street). On weekdays trains operate to 96th Street.

Ah ok I didn't see that lmao I was just looking at the map. That is a much better idea than my counterproposal.

Edited August 27, 2020 by F O O L

[Armandito]

3 minutes ago, F O O L said:

Ah ok I didn't see that lmao I was just looking at the map. That is a much better idea than my counterproposal.

And the would become a weekday-only route with the new replacing the current late night and weekend services from Metropolitan Avenue to Myrtle Avenue-Broadway and Essex Street, respectively.

[loveofelevators]

11 hours ago, Armandito said:

And the would become a weekday-only route with the new replacing the current late night and weekend services from Metropolitan Avenue to Myrtle Avenue-Broadway and Essex Street, respectively.

Hold It! You Changed Your Icon To a  for proposed service on the Nassau St Line to Chambers St-Bklyn Bridge!

[Armandito]

1 hour ago, loveofelevators said:

Hold It! You Changed Your Icon To a  for proposed service on the Nassau St Line to Chambers St-Bklyn Bridge!

Quite frankly, I don't know how to include that icon in the text since there's no brown emoji.

[MottAvFarRockaway]

The84 style NYC Subway reform (part 1)

Do you like all of the reform best? Or just parts of the reform?

Nassau Street Line

•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street (full-time local)
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street (peak express)
•  Chambers Street to Bay Ridge–95th Street (full time all-local)

Requirements

• Eliminating the skip-stop service on the Nassau Street Line
• Rebuilding the whole line to accommodate express tracks

Canarsie Line

•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (local)
•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (peak express)

Requirements

• Rebuilding the whole line to accommodate express tracks

Flushing Line

•  Flushing–Main Street to 10th Avenue (local)
•  Flushing–Main Street to 10th Avenue (express)

Requirements

• Extension of the  service to 10th Avenue (originally proposed)

Eighth Avenue Line

•  Inwood 207th Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway
•  168th Street to WTC [World Trade] (runs only during quiet hours [late nights]; replacing parts of A and C service)
•  Bedford Park Boulevard to Euclid Avenue (runs only during weekday rush hours to displace the B to Bedford Park Boulevard; forcing the B to run via the Q line)
•  168th Street to Euclid Avenue
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer or Jamaica - 179th Street to WTC [World Trade]
•  Euclid Avenue or Broad Channel to Rockaway Park

Requirements

• No requirements

Broadway Line

•  (B via the Q line service) Bedford Park Boulevard to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (via DeKalb Avenue tunnel)
•  (D via the Q line service) 205th Street to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (via DeKalb Avenue tunnel)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (all times)
•  96th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (limited rush hour service)
•  Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue
•  Continental Avenue to Bay Ridge–95th Street (local)
•  Continental Avenue to Bay Ridge–95th Street (peak express)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Whitehall Street–South Ferry or 86th Street (rush hours only)

Requirements

• Rebuilding the route(s) served by the  to accommodate express tracks.
• Building a connection between the IND Sixth Avenue Line and the BMT Broadway Line to allow B and D trains to ran via the Broadway line during 

Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line

•  Van Cortlandt Park–242nd Street to South Ferry
•  Wakefield–241st Street to Flatbush Avenue or New Lots Avenue
•  Harlem–148th Street to New Lots Avenue or Times Square–42nd Street

Requirements

• No requirements

Sixth Avenue Line

•  Bedford Park Boulevard to Brighton Beach (rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  168th Street to 34th Street - Herald Square (weekday rush hours only)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (peak express on the IND Concourse Line from Fordham Road to 145th Street; does not operate weekend rush hours)
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (Culver peak express with a stop at Bergen Street)
•  Essex Street or Myrtle Avenue to Middle Village–Metropolitan Avenue

Requirements

• None

[Armandito]

3 hours ago, MottAvFarRockaway said:

The84 style NYC Subway reform (part 1)

Do you like all of the reform best? Or just parts of the reform?

Nassau Street Line

•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street (full-time local)
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street (peak express)
•  Chambers Street to Bay Ridge–95th Street (full time all-local)

Requirements

• Eliminating the skip-stop service on the Nassau Street Line
• Rebuilding the whole line to accommodate express tracks

Canarsie Line

•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (local)
•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (peak express)

Requirements

• Rebuilding the whole line to accommodate express tracks

Flushing Line

•  Flushing–Main Street to 10th Avenue (local)
•  Flushing–Main Street to 10th Avenue (express)

Requirements

• Extension of the  service to 10th Avenue (originally proposed)

Eighth Avenue Line

•  Inwood 207th Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway
•  168th Street to WTC [World Trade] (runs only during quiet hours [late nights]; replacing parts of A and C service)
•  Bedford Park Boulevard to Euclid Avenue (runs only during weekday rush hours to displace the B to Bedford Park Boulevard; forcing the B to run via the Q line)
•  168th Street to Euclid Avenue
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer or Jamaica - 179th Street to WTC [World Trade]
•  Euclid Avenue or Broad Channel to Rockaway Park

Requirements

• No requirements

Broadway Line

•  (B via the Q line service) Bedford Park Boulevard to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (via DeKalb Avenue tunnel)
•  (D via the Q line service) 205th Street to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (via DeKalb Avenue tunnel)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (all times)
•  96th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (limited rush hour service)
•  Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue
•  Continental Avenue to Bay Ridge–95th Street (local)
•  Continental Avenue to Bay Ridge–95th Street (peak express)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Whitehall Street–South Ferry or 86th Street (rush hours only)

Requirements

• Rebuilding the route(s) served by the  to accommodate express tracks.
• Building a connection between the IND Sixth Avenue Line and the BMT Broadway Line to allow B and D trains to ran via the Broadway line during 

Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line

•  Van Cortlandt Park–242nd Street to South Ferry
•  Wakefield–241st Street to Flatbush Avenue or New Lots Avenue
•  Harlem–148th Street to New Lots Avenue or Times Square–42nd Street

Requirements

• No requirements

Sixth Avenue Line

•  Bedford Park Boulevard to Brighton Beach (rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  168th Street to 34th Street - Herald Square (weekday rush hours only)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (peak express on the IND Concourse Line from Fordham Road to 145th Street; does not operate weekend rush hours)
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (Culver peak express with a stop at Bergen Street)
•  Essex Street or Myrtle Avenue to Middle Village–Metropolitan Avenue

Requirements

• None

I dislike all of them. Some of them are already redundant while others only serve to create more inconvenience for commuters. A more realistic multi-service plan should take into account current reliability levels and ridership trends in addition to allowing for increases in track capacity through full or partial deinterlining.

Edited August 29, 2020 by Armandito

[T to Dyre Avenue]

8 hours ago, MottAvFarRockaway said:

The84 style NYC Subway reform (part 1)

Do you like all of the reform best? Or just parts of the reform?

<proposals>
 

What, no red  train via the 7th Avenue Line?

But seriously, most of your proposals (or reform) either unworkable or just plain unnecessary. The , <J>, , <L> and <R> services are unnecessary. The B and D via the  line to 96th/2nd are unworkable, unnecessary and confusing. And impossible to operate. How would the B and D even get from Bedford Park or 205th St to 96th/2nd? What would even be the point?

As for your , , ,  and  proposals, isn’t this pretty much the way they operate now, other than the  and  going past 10th Avenue (where there was supposed to be a stop) and terminating at Hudson Yards?

If the point is “more one-seat rides,” then it’s not a good point. We just don’t have the signal or track capacity or the money to run all these extra services or to build track connections to make them possible. Even if we did, it would be hell to operate these services due to all the merging and diverging. The subway isn’t Uber or Lyft. It’s not going to beat Uber or Lyft by trying to be Uber or Lyft.

Edited August 29, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue

[LGA Link N Train]

7 hours ago, MottAvFarRockaway said:

The84 style NYC Subway reform (part 1)

Do you like all of the reform best? Or just parts of the reform?

I do have to admit that I like the way you formatted your proposals, but there are a lot of Flaws in this proposal here.

First off, lets make it clear that whatever worked in 1984 doesn't mean it'll work today. Hell, some of our current service patterns don't even work efficiently as they should. (Just look at the  Line alone and you'll see what I mean)

1. Your <> is redundant. Here's a fun fact. Whenever there's some sort of peak Express Service, service in the Reverse Peak direction is more frequent at the local stations. (Ima let it slide for the  cause I agree with it)

2. Are you adding an infill stop at 10th Avenue on the ? I don't understand if you're trying to have trains terminate there or not. What happens to 34th Street-Hudson Yards in this proposal? 

3. I see you made 8th, Broadway and 6th Avenue more complicated than they need to be.  I don't see anything different with the and , but might I give you the suggestion that Your  and  are better off being the same service. If you want to give Concourse and Washington Heights one of each service coming from 8th and 6th Avenue, you're going to have to sacrifice ta few things between 145th and 59th. As for the , I wouldn't mind bringing it back, but I'd rather have it serve QBL and 53rd over CPW. 

4. I disagree with the Yellow  and . There's no space at DeKalb Junction to be building an unnecessary loop. As for the , It seems redundant. Just have the  go t o 96th Street-2nd Avenue and call it a day, then you can boost  Service in Astoria and make the  some sort of part time route. As a little bonus since you're proposing to have the run between Chambers and 95th, you could as an X-over switch north of Whitehall to have both the  and  terminate there instead. Also, it seems like you're suggesting building the Queens Bypass. No need to do that when we can improve the Inner LIRR Services and reduce their fares to a considerable amount. 

6. I don't understand what you're doing with 7th Avenue. Just build a few switches at Rogers Junction and send both the  and  to Flatbush Avenue, letting the  and  take Utica/New Lots. Doesn't that sound a lot simpler to you? 

7. Finally 6th Avenue. Why are you having both a through service and trains terminating at 34th? Why cause delays and make 34th a bottleneck like that? If you want people to understand the service patterns, better to keep the  and  as one service, and with your  going to 168, might as well have it go down to Brighton. In addition, with a  swap north of 145th, you can have a  swap between 145th and 59th. Also, why cut the  to Essex permanently? Queens Blvd Riders would be beyond pissed if they heard that.

[Vulturious]

8 hours ago, MottAvFarRockaway said:

The84 style NYC Subway reform (part 1)

Do you like all of the reform best? Or just parts of the reform?

Nassau Street Line

•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street (full-time local)
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer to Broad Street (peak express)
•  Chambers Street to Bay Ridge–95th Street (full time all-local)

Requirements

• Eliminating the skip-stop service on the Nassau Street Line
• Rebuilding the whole line to accommodate express tracks

Canarsie Line

•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (local)
•  Eighth Avenue to Rockaway Parkway (peak express)

Requirements

• Rebuilding the whole line to accommodate express tracks

Eighth Avenue Line

•  Inwood 207th Street to Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway
•  168th Street to WTC [World Trade] (runs only during quiet hours [late nights]; replacing parts of A and C service)
•  Bedford Park Boulevard to Euclid Avenue (runs only during weekday rush hours to displace the B to Bedford Park Boulevard; forcing the B to run via the Q line)
•  168th Street to Euclid Avenue
•  Jamaica/Parsons Archer or Jamaica - 179th Street to WTC [World Trade]
•  Euclid Avenue or Broad Channel to Rockaway Park

Requirements

• No requirements

Broadway Line

•  (B via the Q line service) Bedford Park Boulevard to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (via DeKalb Avenue tunnel)
•  (D via the Q line service) 205th Street to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue (via DeKalb Avenue tunnel)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (all times)
•  96th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (limited rush hour service)
•  Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue to 96th Street - 2nd Avenue
•  Continental Avenue to Bay Ridge–95th Street (local)
•  Continental Avenue to Bay Ridge–95th Street (peak express)
•  Astoria–Ditmars Boulevard to Whitehall Street–South Ferry or 86th Street (rush hours only)

Requirements

• Rebuilding the route(s) served by the  to accommodate express tracks.
• Building a connection between the IND Sixth Avenue Line and the BMT Broadway Line to allow B and D trains to ran via the Broadway line during 

Sixth Avenue Line

•  Bedford Park Boulevard to Brighton Beach (rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  168th Street to 34th Street - Herald Square (weekday rush hours only)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (rerouted via the Q line between DeKalb Avenue and 96th Street - 2nd Avenue during weekend rush hours to make room for the diamond C)
•  205th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (peak express on the IND Concourse Line from Fordham Road to 145th Street; does not operate weekend rush hours)
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue
•  Jamaica–179th Street to Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue (Culver peak express with a stop at Bergen Street)
•  Essex Street or Myrtle Avenue to Middle Village–Metropolitan Avenue

Requirements

• None

Nassau Street Line

I completely agree with the reconstuction of Jamaica line as Skip-stop is pretty useless and just makes service complicating. I get why the  is still around to this day, but at this point because of the whole service cuts happening, there wouldn't be a point in skip-stop anymore. However, it would be better to not have the  continue to Bay Ridge at this point if  trains are going full time from Chambers to Bay Ridge. Reason why is because it would cause more delays for the . Better to just terminate the  at Whitehall.

Canarsie Line

I don't know much of how  service works so I can't really say much about this. I would say I agree with having express service, but a lot of people are pointing out the same problems the  has with more local service from the opposite direction of where  service is operating too.

Eighth Avenue Line

Having the  brought back isn't actually such a bad idea for Late Night services, however I believe it should stay as the  seeing as the  hasn't been used in a very long time. Having the  brought back, I'm not so sure about. There isn't much demand for it to be brought back if that were the case. And when it comes to the , there isn't a need to change back to it since its a shuttle service regardless and it can't terminate at Euclid either since there is already the  terminating there.

Broadway Line

Here is where things become interesting, not only did you decide to bring back the  and , but you also decided to make its service even more complicating. There was a reason why both the  and  existed back then, it was because of the Manhattan Bridge shutdown that cut off access onto 6th Av. This would confuse riders because there are 2 different versions running around. Not to mention, there is no way to have these services run via CPW and then onto Broadway line because there is no track or tunnels that can lead to Broadway. You might as well keep  trains at 96th St that way  service can be boosted without having the  interfere with local service. The  would have to be a full time service is this was the case to allow the  to continue service to Bay Ridge.

Sixth Avenue Line

If the  exists, then it would confuse riders because they would think the  is in service. It's also better to keep  trains not running more than just Weekdays because it would give extra trains from the  to the  since  trains are base out of Coney Island Yard. No trains can terminate at 34 St-Herald Square because every train operating is running through and would delay service. As for the , there wouldn't be a need to keep it as Orange because you have it not operating via 6th Av period. But that is also a bad idea because Williamsburg people want better access into Midtown and that was what the  did.

[Armandito]

1 hour ago, Vulturious said:

Nassau Street Line

I completely agree with the reconstuction of Jamaica line as Skip-stop is pretty useless and just makes service complicating. I get why the  is still around to this day, but at this point because of the whole service cuts happening, there wouldn't be a point in skip-stop anymore. However, it would be better to not have the  continue to Bay Ridge at this point if  trains are going full time from Chambers to Bay Ridge. Reason why is because it would cause more delays for the . Better to just terminate the  at Whitehall.

Just like in my proposal to split the Brooklyn segment of the into its own separate route via Nassau (see my new profile pic). However, I also decided to extend the to Bay Ridge so Broadway service could be maintained on weekdays in addition to making local service along Fourth Avenue more frequent.

[Vulturious]

2 hours ago, Armandito said:

Just like in my proposal to split the Brooklyn segment of the into its own separate route via Nassau (see my new profile pic). However, I also decided to extend the to Bay Ridge so Broadway service could be maintained on weekdays in addition to making local service along Fourth Avenue more frequent.

To maintain Broadway service, ok that is a different story. If it was the  extended to Bay Ridge for Weekdays only, well we already got the  making local stops anyways on weekends (except for 4th Av). Although, there would still be the problem of no direct yard access which was what the old  had. But there really is no work around this, unless there is an express train running to Bay Ridge or a train that usually runs express like the  running to Bay Ridge.

[T to Dyre Avenue]

On 8/27/2020 at 12:17 AM, Armandito said:

In that scenario, one alternative I would suggest is this service plan so customers can easily transfer to Broadway trains at Canal Street at all times:

 

Weekdays:

- 95 St to Chambers St

- 71 Av to Metropolitan Av

- 96 St to Stillwell Av via Bridge (express in Manhattan and Brooklyn)

- 71 Av to Canal St or Whitehall St

- Ditmars Blvd to 95 St

 

Weekends:

- 95 St to Metropolitan Av (replaces service)

- No service, use

- Ditmars Blvd to Stillwell Av via Bridge (local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn)

- 71 Av to Whitehall St

- No service, use  in Queens; in Manhattan; in Brooklyn

 

Late nights:

- 95 St to Chambers St; shuttle between Myrtle Av/Broadway and Metropolitan Av (relabeled service)

- No service, use

- Ditmars Blvd to Stillwell Av via Tunnel (local only)

- No service, use in Queens; in Manhattan

- No service, use

 

service is unchanged

 

True, that’s one way you can have the  be the main 4th Ave service and the  as the secondary. But then the  and  would have to have different northern terminals during weekends and late nights, which would complicate the service pattern. And you still have to have the  merge with the  (either at Whitehall if via tunnel or Prince if via bridge). 

On 8/26/2020 at 11:51 PM, Armandito said:

Better yet, build tail tracks south of Whitehall to increase its capacity as a terminal.

Going back to my X proposal from before, I wish to find out about extending it along the Astoria Line to Ditmars rather than building a new subway line along 21st Street. A new mini-yard could be built north of Ditmars for rush hour layups so more trains could terminate there, and a connection along 11th Street would allow X trains to access the Queensboro Plaza station from the IND Crosstown Line. (What's even more interesting is that the original BRT/BMT proposals for the present-day Crosstown Line proposed the routing to connect between Astoria and the Franklin Avenue Line at Fulton Street.)

I’d rather the X be on its own route in Astoria than be piggybacked onto the  because that would take away available capacity for additional Manhattan-bound service.

Edited August 30, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue

[B35 via Church]

16 hours ago, MottAvFarRockaway said:

* ideas *

Good lord, what is it with all these diamond services? Then this [orange & yellow B] and [orange & yellow D] bit, which is ridiculously inefficient.... Divvying up 7th av express service by having 2's & 3's running to New Lots, if not for short turning 3's & having 2's run to Flatbush? Nostrand av IRT & Livonia av IRT stations are more or less a wash usage-wise, so I'm not seeing this justification to having 2's & 3's running to New Lots....

The local meat market would be proud, because this plan is tantamount to a butchering of the dog f*** out of the subway system...

[Armandito]

24 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

True, that’s one way you can have the  be the main 4th Ave service and the  as the secondary. But then the  and  would have to have different northern terminals during weekends and late nights, which would complicate the service pattern. And you still have to have the  merge with the  (either at Whitehall if via tunnel or Prince if via bridge). 

One reason I had the extended to Metropolitan Avenue was to come up with a way to encourage more efficient use of equipment. By relegating the to weekdays only, there would be no need to operate two separate services on weekends when a single route could cover both segments during that timeframe.

For Broadway, at first I proposed having the operate via Montague on weekends so the merge at Prince Street could be eliminated, but shelved it because it is likely Sea Beach commuters would not support this reroute as it would add 10 minutes of travel time into Manhattan. Therefore, it is generally accepted that they would prefer to keep weekend trains crossing the bridge to save travel time.

[Bklyn Bound 2 Local]

On 8/27/2020 at 12:17 AM, Armandito said:

In that scenario, one alternative I would suggest is this service plan so customers can easily transfer to Broadway trains at Canal Street at all times:

 

Weekdays:

- 95 St to Chambers St

- 71 Av to Metropolitan Av

- 96 St to Stillwell Av via Bridge (express in Manhattan and Brooklyn)

- 71 Av to Canal St or Whitehall St

- Ditmars Blvd to 95 St

 

Weekends:

- 95 St to Metropolitan Av (replaces service)

- No service, use

- Ditmars Blvd to Stillwell Av via Bridge (local in Manhattan, express in Brooklyn)

- 71 Av to Whitehall St

- No service, use  in Queens; in Manhattan; in Brooklyn

 

Late nights:

- 95 St to Chambers St; shuttle between Myrtle Av/Broadway and Metropolitan Av (relabeled service)

- No service, use

- Ditmars Blvd to Stillwell Av via Tunnel (local only)

- No service, use in Queens; in Manhattan

- No service, use

 

service is unchanged

 

I think its best the late night shuttle service should remain labled as  to avoid cofusion. And to make things simple, route the  to Jamaica Center and remove the  during late nights so there is just one Nassau Street line between Jamaica Center and 95 Street

Edited August 30, 2020 by Bklyn Bound 2 Local

[Bklyn Bound 2 Local]

On 8/29/2020 at 1:35 PM, T to Dyre Avenue said:

What, no red  train via the 7th Avenue Line?

Isn't that just a Dyre Av bound ?

[T to Dyre Avenue]

On 8/30/2020 at 2:16 PM, Bklyn Bound 2 Local said:

Isn't that just a Dyre Av bound ?

Yes, pretty much, 😆 

[Armandito]

Reverted back to my X train proposal, but this time I extended the route to a new terminal serving the Astoria Houses: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1xwmbfGW1eViET9LtpLy1U1Iv8DGzhx6L&usp=sharing

 

[loveofelevators]

Line:

Stations:

[Staten Island Line]

Craig Av:

Pleasant Plains:

Arbutus Av:

Nelson Av:

Guyon Av:

Old Town:  (SIR)

[4 Av Line]

John Paul Jones Park:  (BQX)

59 St:  (BQX)

36 St:  

Atlantic-Barclays:

DeKalb Av:

Myrtle Av:

York St:

E Bdwy:

Delancey-Essex:

2 Av:

Broadway-Lafayette:

[6 Av Subway]

W 4 St:

34 St:

[Broadway Line]

Times Sq:  

57 St:  (W)

5 Av: (N) (R) (W)

[Park Av Subway]

64 St

73 St

82 St

92 St

99 St

106 St

112 St

121 St

132 St

[Harlem River Dr Branch]

145 St: (2) (3)

MaCombs Pl

Fredrick Douglas Blvd

Jumel Pl: (L) (X) *grey (X)*

Laurel Hill Dr

Highbridge Park

[Dyckman St Subway]

10 Av-Dyckman St: (X) *grey (X)*

Vermilyea Av: (A)

Henry Hudson Pkwy

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vulturious]

4 hours ago, loveofelevators said:

Line:

Stations:

[Staten Island Line]

Craig Av:

Pleasant Plains:

Arbutus Av:

Nelson Av:

Guyon Av:

Old Town:  (SIR)

[4 Av Line]

John Paul Jones Park:  (BQX)

59 St:  (BQX)

36 St:  

Atlantic-Barclays:

DeKalb Av:

Myrtle Av:

York St:

E Bdwy:

Delancey-Essex:

2 Av:

Broadway-Lafayette:

[6 Av Subway]

W 4 St:

34 St:

There are so many questionable things you decided to do, but I'm mainly going to point out the things that already exist:

1.) Why does the  operate via 4th Av line and 6th Av line?

2.) Why is the  also operating in Staten Island?

3.) Which lines are going express on 4th Av and which isn't?

4.) Why are trains stopping at Myrtle Av? They are 1 street away from Dekalb, not to mention there is no station at Myrtle Av.

5.) Is there a lower tunnel underneath 4th Av line that allows  trains to skip all the  stations?

6.) There is no tunnels or tracks that can get to York St from Dekalb Av.

7.) You have 6 lines operating via 6th Av which you already screwed up by bringing the  and keeping the . 

8.) There are no tracks or tunnels that can allow switching from 6th Av and Broadway Line at 34th St-Herald Square.